My BroTeam!

[Red.Rebellion]

Yo!

i have taken in what you guys have said and made it this far.

My Team as today is:

Lead: Swamplead

Pokemon: Swampert. #260
Nickname: Nerfpert.
Trait: Torrent.
Nature: Relaxed.
Ev´s: 240 Hp. 216 Def. 52 Sp.def.
Moveset: Earthquake. Roar. Stealth Rock. Ice Beam.
Item: Leftovers.

The main idea as whit most Swampert leads. To saftly setup Stealth Rock, and if possible roar away some set up sweepers. only fearing the grass type i can switch out to Venusaur that takes grass types whit ease.

Specialwall/Support: Sporesaur.

Pokemon: Venusaur #003
Nickname: Saur.
Trait: Overgrow.
Nature: Calm.
Ev´s: 252 Hp 252 Sp.def 6 Def.
Moveset: Sleep Powder. Toxic. Leech Seed. Synthesis.
Item: Leftovers.

This Venusaur set is for crippling the opponents team and giving Jolteon, Charizard, and Dragonite som safe setups whit the leech seed and sleep powder support. whit leech seed toxic and synthesis it can wall almost anything on the special front. when something that is super effective or going physical i just switch into Swampert.

Batonpasser: AgilityJolt.

Pokemon: Jolteon. #135
Nickname: Voltaro.
Trait: Volt absorb.
Nature: Timid.
Ev´s: 6 Sp.def. 252 Sp.atk. 252 Spe.
Moveset: Thunderbolt. Agility. Batonpass. Hidden Power Ice.
Item: Leftovers.

Going for revenge kills whit great speed Jolteon gives som good help from Stealth Rock. When however the chance is given it will go for an Agility to be able to pass it along to Marowak. Making him able to sweep. if needed Agility can also be passed to Charizard and Dragonite wich both benefits greatly from the speedboost.

Special Sweeper: BerryBlazezard.

Pokemon: Charizard. #006
Nickname: Lizardon.
Trait: Blaze.
Nature: Modest.
Ev´s: 6 Def. 252 Sp.atk. 252 Spe.
Moveset: Flamethrower. Hidden Power Grass. Dragonpulse. Substitute.
Item: Salac Berry.

Hoping to have Agility Batonpassed from Jolteon on an groundmove, Charizard can be switched in for som quick ko´s. his way of going att full power is to use Substitute to activate the berry and blaze. if every thing goes as planed Stealth rock will halve his Hp so that only one Substitute is needed to activate both berry and blaze. Giving the opponent less time to Setup. Charizard will also serve as an semi thunder bait. wich will, whit a little prediction heal up Jolteon.

Main Sweeper: Outrage.

Pokemon: Dragonite. #149
Nickname: Kairyu.
Trait: Inner Focus.
Nature: Adamant.
Ev´s: 6 Hp. 252 Atk. 252 Spe.
Moveset: Earthquake/Roost. Outrage. Dragondance. Extremspeed.
Item: Lum Berry.

Whit Venusaurs Sleep Powder or by predicting an openents earth move Dragonite can come into play and hopefully get an Dragon Dance going. when given the needed speed boost. Dragonites Outrage turns him into a killer machine. making big sweeps possible. After being forced out by a scarfed foe Dragonite will want help from Venusaur again to be able to roost up som Hp lost while setting up earlier DD´s to be able to sweep again. Roost could (whit another ev spread) also turn a x4 Icebeam hit for x2 whick might save him from being killed early.

Sweeper: WAK.

Pokemon: Marowak. #105
Nickname: Shogara.
Trait: Rock Head.
Nature: Jolly.
Ev´s: 6 Hp. 252 Atk. 252 Spe.
Moveset: Bonemerang. Double-Edge. Swordsdance. Stone Edge.
Item: Thickclub.

Marowak is hands down my favorite pokemon of all times! yeah i know that he is actually a really bad pokemon but i just have to try making him work since he really is awsome fun to use and as i pointed out earlier he is my favorite.

Using Jolteons passed Agility to hit 380 speed. Marowak will want to predict an Swordsdance on a foes switch to be able to go about sweeping as the gods intended him to. im packing Bonemerang over EQ to be able to break subs and then hit the foe hiding behind it destroying many subpunchers.

Alternatives:

If Jolteon or Charizard wont work as i want them to i have this as an option:
Pokemon: Gengar. #094
Nickname: Akuma.
Trait: Levitate.
Nature: Timid.
Ev´s: 6 Hp. 252 Sp.atk. 252 Spe.
Moveset: Shadowball. Thunderbolt. Hidden Power Fire/Ice. Explosion/Destiny Bond.
Item: Life Orb.

And if my Agility pass to Marowak wont work il have this to fall back on:
Pokemon: Gyarados. #130
Nickname: Ragnarok.
Trait: Intimidate.
Nature: Adamant.
Ev´s: 152 Hp. 176 Atk. 36 Def. 144 Spe.
Moveset: Taunt. Waterfall. Dragondance. Stone Edge.
Item: Leftovers.

If Gyarados is used and Jolteon is still on the team, Jolteon will carry:
Pokemon: Jolteon. #135
Nickname: Voltaro.
Trait: Volt Absorb.
Nature: Timid.
Ev´s: 6 Def. 252 Sp.atk. 252 Spe.
Moveset: Thunderbolt. Substitute. Baton Pass. Hidden Power Ice.
Item: Petaya Berry.
If you could give me your oppinion on the team and or some changes it would help me greatly! :D Thx in advance!

 

[Venom]

So you mean i cant ask for new ideas for the pokemon i have on the team already? im new at the site an might have missed that in thr rules, but if thats the case il remove it now. wanted to have opinions on the synergy and the strategy not that i should change the pkmn.

You can certainly ask for ideas for your team, but understand the team itself won't be as successful as you think. As a competitive battling website, raters should try to make your team as as successful as possible. Honestly, teams like this can't even be rated. If you're not willing to switch anything around, and there is no point in making suggestions and rating the team.

I can easily point out many problems with this team, and as many I problems that I can point out, I can also fix your team for them too. If you're willing to switch around the team, I would gladly help you.

You have a pretty big problem with Stealth Rock by the way. 3 Pokemon are affected by it and you have no spinner. Just saying.

 

[Red.Rebellion]

Yes i know, and i have editet it so you can change anything you want. and im awere of the Stealthrock weakness as i have pointed out in the post.

 

[jdesai927]

If you want to Taunt with Gyarados, you'd be better off with a Jolly nature than an Adamant one. Earthquake gives you more important coverage like Metagross, Jirachi, and lets you catch Electivire, Jolteon on the switch, so you might want to replace Stone Edge with that.

Your Gengar is flawed because your strategy will fail in Sandstorm/Hail, which is extremely common thanks to Ttar/Hippowdon/Abomasnow, and you'll be outsped by any Scarfers as well as Starmie, for whom you're easy pickings. If sleep is so important for your team, you're probably better off with:

Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Jolly Nature
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
-Spore
-Substitute
-Focus Punch
-Seed Bomb

Charizard, too, may not have the necessary speed to carry out the SubPetaya combo, you'll be easily taken out by Bullet Punch/Ice Shard/Scarfers as well as some Pokemon like Starmie and Gengar that outspeed it. You'll be walled by Blissey to an extent so you may want to make some switches in that moveset, such as putting in Brick Break instead of Focus Blast, as Dragon Pulse and Flamethrower should give you the necessary coverage. Empoleon is a much better SubPetaya sweeper, especially since it has access to Agility.

Marowak is a terrible Pokemon without Trick Room, and you'll still be slow enough to be taken out by Scarfers, especially specially-attacking ones. Your only move that can hit Ghosts is Stone Edge, which is unreliable. If you want a Sweeper with sheer power, there are many, many better choices in the OU metagame.

 

[Red.Rebellion]

If you want to Taunt with Gyarados, you'd be better off with a Jolly nature than an Adamant one. Earthquake gives you more important coverage like Metagross, Jirachi, and lets you catch Electivire, Jolteon on the switch, so you might want to replace Stone Edge with that.

Your Gengar is flawed because your strategy will fail in Sandstorm/Hail, which is extremely common thanks to Ttar/Hippowdon/Abomasnow, and you'll be outsped by any Scarfers as well as Starmie, for whom you're easy pickings. If sleep is so important for your team, you're probably better off with:

Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Jolly Nature
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
-Spore
-Substitute
-Focus Punch
-Seed Bomb

Charizard, too, may not have the necessary speed to carry out the SubPetaya combo, you'll be easily taken out by Bullet Punch/Ice Shard/Scarfers as well as some Pokemon like Starmie and Gengar that outspeed it. You'll be walled by Blissey to an extent so you may want to make some switches in that moveset, such as putting in Brick Break instead of Focus Blast, as Dragon Pulse and Flamethrower should give you the necessary coverage. Empoleon is a much better SubPetaya sweeper, especially since it has access to Agility.

Marowak is a terrible Pokemon without Trick Room, and you'll still be slow enough to be taken out by Scarfers, especially specially-attacking ones. Your only move that can hit Ghosts is Stone Edge, which is unreliable. If you want a Sweeper with sheer power, there are many, many better choices in the OU metagame.

hmmn. ok thanks for the input. Jolly gyara is a given thx a bunch for that ^^ i have actually been trying to use Eq instead of Stonedge but have been put back since i have nothing on an other gyarados?

True Breloom would have a better chance of using the stratagy then Gengar, and whit Jolteons speed as a Revenge killer i dont really need Gengar.

Its True that Empoleon is a better choice but that leavs me whitout a Fire type, and whit al the steels running around i dont feel like spending hours to get Hp Fire. Maybe Timid Charizard will do better since jolteon can pass an Petaya since Marowak dosent seem to fit anymore?

Should i switch Marowak for maybe an DefBulk Aggron as a wallbreaker?

 

[Shnoogle]

I'd say that you should replace the Petaya Berry with a Salac Berry. That way you will have enough speed to sweep and you can run a Modest nature to get some of the lost power back. Also, replace Focus Blast with HP [Grass]... Flamethrower already slams Steels much harder than it and you aren't getting past Blissey any time soon.

Also, HP [Ice] is much better on Jolteon than Shadow Ball, giving you much better coverage and a great mvoe to hit Ground types (especially Flygon since he can hit all of your Pokémon super effectively bar Gengar who is going down from 1 Outrage anyways with the three moves Outrage / Earthquake / Thunderpunch) and Dragonite with.

Now that you Gyarados' nature is Jolly, may I suggest adding 8 more Speed EVs to it? This will allow it to out speed max speed Adamant Gyarados so you can taunt it before it starts dancing or hit it with Stone Edge before it hits you.

Last, your team is so incredibly weak to DD Gyara that it isn't even funny. Give it one chance to set up and with just Stone Edge / Waterfall and a Life Orb, everything on your team is OHKOed except your Gyarados who is 2HKOed. Give Jolteon a Timid Nature and max Speed as this will out speed +1 Adamant Gyarados by 3 points so you can OHKO with Thunderbolt, as well as outspeed Jolly Choice Scarf Breloom by 1 point so you can hit it with HP Ice] before it nails you with a Superpower / Spore.

 

[Red.Rebellion]

I'd say that you should replace the Petaya Berry with a Salac Berry. That way you will have enough speed to sweep and you can run a Modest nature to get some of the lost power back. Also, replace Focus Blast with HP [Grass]... Flamethrower already slams Steels much harder than it and you aren't getting past Blissey any time soon.

Also, HP [Ice] is much better on Jolteon than Shadow Ball, giving you much better coverage and a great mvoe to hit Ground types (especially Flygon since he can hit all of your Pokémon super effectively bar Gengar who is going down from 1 Outrage anyways with the three moves Outrage / Earthquake / Thunderpunch) and Dragonite with.

Now that you Gyarados' nature is Jolly, may I suggest adding 8 more Speed EVs to it? This will allow it to out speed max speed Adamant Gyarados so you can taunt it before it starts dancing or hit it with Stone Edge before it hits you.

Last, your team is so incredibly weak to DD Gyara that it isn't even funny. Give it one chance to set up and with just Stone Edge / Waterfall and a Life Orb, everything on your team is OHKOed except your Gyarados who is 2HKOed. Give Jolteon a Timid Nature and max Speed as this will out speed +1 Adamant Gyarados by 3 points so you can OHKO with Thunderbolt, as well as outspeed Jolly Choice Scarf Breloom by 1 point so you can hit it with HP Ice] before it nails you with a Superpower / Spore.

To Sum it up. Charizard should stick whit Modest and go whit salacberry. and go whit Hp Grass rather than Focusblast? Then how to go agaisnt Umbreon or Tyranitar? whit no fighting type move on the team?

Hp Ice on Jolteon seems fair, but whit the Timid Nature can it really pull a punch agaisnt anything? even after the Petaya boost?

Any idea on where to subtract those 8 Ev´s? Def Atk or Hp?

Maybe go whit a Special Bulk Venusaur instead of Breloom/Gengar. it has Sleeppowder and Toxic which will help Jolteon and Charizard KO whit more ease.

And lastly? U have an opinon on Marowak? Is a Aggron whit DefBulk whorth it? it can pack deasent punch whit Headsmash and reach over 500 Def?

 

[AlphaJolt]

This team very much relies on Gyarados to keep Stealth Rock from getting up. Even if he prevents it ad the beginning, a smart player will get it up later when Gyarados isn't in, and it can't be Taunted. He's a great pokemon and sweeper, but not a good lead as he does not have enough speed to reliably beat most leads from getting Stealth Rock down. As you have admitted, you have a glaring Stealth Rock weakness on your team. You either need a rapid spinner, or you need to switch a pokemon (Charizard is the most replaceable) out. There are currently many threats that can rip through the team: any dragon type, Offensive DD Gyarados, any form of Tyranitar (Marowak can't switch into his Crunch without being 2HKOd, and all sets except Band outspeed Marowak, but Band Crunch OHKOs him), and Curse Snorlax.

I'm not going to replace Marowak, because I respect the fact that he's your favorite pokemon, and to be honest he's quite fun to use. I will say though, that he doesn't add much to your team, and is easily revenged as any positive natured base 80 scarfer can outrun him.

This team needs to have Stealth Rock support. It will help turn some 2HKOs into OHKOs and 3HKOs into 2HKOs, I can't emphasize how important it is for every offensive team to utilize SR support. Charizard is the most replaceable member. It sucks cause, yes, he is a super badass looking pokemon and we all love him (he's one of my top favs), but he just doesn't cut it in competitive play, especially OU. One pokemon who will slove your TTar, DDos, and Dragon problem is Swampert. He has great defenses, will provide you will Stealth Rock support, and can phaze out stat boosters. He should also be your lead to get down SR asap.

Swampert @ Leftovers
Relaxed
240 HP / 216 Def / 52 SpD
Stealth Rock
Roar
Earthquake
Ice Beam

Gyarados is pretty good, just change his EVs to 156 HP / 72 Atk / 96 Def / 184 Spe. This will give him more bulk to take attacks, and he'll still hit reasonably hard when he's set up.

Focus Sash is useless outside of the lead position. Hail, Sandstorm, and Entry Hazards will all nullify your strategy of getting in with Full HP, and that leaves a wasted space for an item. Gengar is a fantastic pokemon to use. Hypnosis has terrible accuracy, and I personally try to avoid it at all costs. If you are looking for a revenge killer/all out attacker, change Hypnosis to Thunderbolt and Destiny Bond to HP Fire. If you want to be able to easier predict around your opponent, use Protect over Tbolt. Jolteon's set is good, as it is needed to make Marowak capable of sweeping (Marowak is close to useless without either Trick Room or Agility). The only thing that needs to be changes is his item. Use Leftovers, which you already have slashed into his set. I would also use HP Ice over Shadowball, as you want to be able to hit Ground types more importantly than Ghosts. Also, you want a Timid nature on him. He's tied for fasted non-boosted pokemon in the game, he is proud of that, and he really needs the speed or else base 115s (Starmie, Azelf, Weavile) are faster than him. He is a great Starmie counter.

That's about all I have. I hope it helped out and good luck with the team.

 

[Red.Rebellion]

This team very much relies on Gyarados to keep Stealth Rock from getting up. Even if he prevents it ad the beginning, a smart player will get it up later when Gyarados isn't in, and it can't be Taunted. He's a great pokemon and sweeper, but not a good lead as he does not have enough speed to reliably beat most leads from getting Stealth Rock down. As you have admitted, you have a glaring Stealth Rock weakness on your team. You either need a rapid spinner, or you need to switch a pokemon (Charizard is the most replaceable) out. There are currently many threats that can rip through the team: any dragon type, Offensive DD Gyarados, any form of Tyranitar (Marowak can't switch into his Crunch without being 2HKOd, and all sets except Band outspeed Marowak, but Band Crunch OHKOs him), and Curse Snorlax.

I'm not going to replace Marowak, because I respect the fact that he's your favorite pokemon, and to be honest he's quite fun to use. I will say though, that he doesn't add much to your team, and is easily revenged as any positive natured base 80 scarfer can outrun him.

This team needs to have Stealth Rock support. It will help turn some 2HKOs into OHKOs and 3HKOs into 2HKOs, I can't emphasize how important it is for every offensive team to utilize SR support. Charizard is the most replaceable member. It sucks cause, yes, he is a super badass looking pokemon and we all love him (he's one of my top favs), but he just doesn't cut it in competitive play, especially OU. One pokemon who will slove your TTar, DDos, and Dragon problem is Swampert. He has great defenses, will provide you will Stealth Rock support, and can phaze out stat boosters. He should also be your lead to get down SR asap.

Swampert @ Leftovers
Relaxed
240 HP / 216 Def / 52 SpD
Stealth Rock
Roar
Earthquake
Ice Beam

Gyarados is pretty good, just change his EVs to 156 HP / 72 Atk / 96 Def / 184 Spe. This will give him more bulk to take attacks, and he'll still hit reasonably hard when he's set up.

Focus Sash is useless outside of the lead position. Hail, Sandstorm, and Entry Hazards will all nullify your strategy of getting in with Full HP, and that leaves a wasted space for an item. Gengar is a fantastic pokemon to use. Hypnosis has terrible accuracy, and I personally try to avoid it at all costs. If you are looking for a revenge killer/all out attacker, change Hypnosis to Thunderbolt and Destiny Bond to HP Fire. If you want to be able to easier predict around your opponent, use Protect over Tbolt. Jolteon's set is good, as it is needed to make Marowak capable of sweeping (Marowak is close to useless without either Trick Room or Agility). The only thing that needs to be changes is his item. Use Leftovers, which you already have slashed into his set. I would also use HP Ice over Shadowball, as you want to be able to hit Ground types more importantly than Ghosts. Also, you want a Timid nature on him. He's tied for fasted non-boosted pokemon in the game, he is proud of that, and he really needs the speed or else base 115s (Starmie, Azelf, Weavile) are faster than him. He is a great Starmie counter.

That's about all I have. I hope it helped out and good luck with the team.

Thx a bunch for your input. ^^ on question thou? Is there a pokemon that works on a simmilar basis as Swampert? i know he is an Awsome poke but i personally dont like him at all. if there isent one il gladly use him as my lead. and also is thete a spinner that can work good thit the rest of the team? and who should i replace him whit?

 

[Red.Rebellion]

Maybe an Band Dragonite will do better in this team since it needs an sleeping or a damage crippled foe to setup its DD. and it will work nice if it gets an agility passed from Jolteon. what do you guys think?

 

[Venom]

I guess nobody read my post where I pointed out the Stealth Rock weakness that needs to be fixed, since all rates have failed to point it out.

I don't see the point of carrying Ice Beam on Swampert these days, especially a on a Lead Swampert. Ice Beam is probably for Salamence and what not, but I would replace it for Hydro Pump or Surf. You have better chances of killing off a Salamence with the Stealth Rock/Roar combination, making that thing switch-in to Stealth Rock ain't pretty for it. Surf will give you much more coverage, and the extra STAB never fails to help. I wouldn't rely on Venusaur as a "special wall". Venusaur cannot take Ice Beams or Fire Blasts, 2 of the most common special attacks out there. You need something that is able to take a blow from those things with much effort. First thing that comes to mind would be a Blissey. Blissey takes Special Attacks like nothing. It is probably the most reliable and effective Special Wall out there, but won't be appropriate for this team. Rotom-H or any of the other Rotoms would probably best fit here. It can take blows from both physical and special sides, depending on your choice. You could always run a Light Screen and Reflect on Rotom, which makes it a very good choice when you need something that can take hits, like your case. You won't be able to wall MixApe very well, but then again MixApe ain't doing shit to Charizard, so I wouldn't worry too much.

As for the Rapid Spinner issue, there are limited options so I'll try to fit the best one here. You can use Fortress in place of Rotom/Venusaur here, but then you'll suffer from the Special side, which we don't want. The best thing to do here would be to replace Swampert with Starmie. Starmie is a pretty badass Special attacker, and can Rapid Spin at the same time. Having a recovery move also makes it a great Pokemon to have, as it can aid self-recovery without needing help, making it last longer in battle. You will lose your a good lead, but you can use one of my favorite Dragonite sets to replace your lost lead. The set looks like: Draco Meteor/Earthquake/Fire Blast/Extremespeed @ Quiet 252 Atk / 252 SpA / 4 Spe. This set makes Dragonite stand-up to the most common leads right now, and has an amazing movepool to help it kill them off, so I'd try it out.

That's as far as I can go to fixing your team. Like I said before, don't expect the team to be very successful, as the main synergy of the team isn't really competitive enough. I fixed one of the big holes, but there's still more, and to fix them would cost more than half the team replaced, which isn't really what I do.

 

[Red.Rebellion]

Using icebeam on Swampert also gives me the option to hit an Gyarados for natural damage, while Eq and Hydropump whoul fail, since the DD Gyarados was such a treat for the team an bulky Swampert that can take most of his attacks pretty well. and still being able to hit him back. Jolteon cant switch into an attack and it would be stupid to just kill of one of my own pkmn to let jolteon come in safe to Tbolt it. so while using Swampert i can hurt him so that i maybe wont have to kill of one of my pokes.

Thank god Blissey dosent cut it. i really hate that pkmn, boring to use, boring to face.
well a Forretress should be able to spin and also set up some much wanted spikes and/or toxic spikes. and to bulk him on the defence, and *sob* taking Marowaks spot, i can use him and get another Special wall instead of Venusaur? Milotic?

is Starmie really that bulky that he can spin and recover?

hmn, i have been thinking of using that Dragonite lead for some time actually. it takes away Swamperts role as lead but he could still stay as a tank?

Well i have no idea really, turned out to be a lot to be changed and it dosent feel like my nostalgi team at al. i guess broteams only get you that far huh...?