My gimmicky, "I wanna try out Platinum" offensive team.

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Solrock @ Focus Sash
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Stealth Rock
- Explosion
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I wanted a suicide lead that both learned Explosion and was immune to Sand Stream, and Solrock's pretty much the only one. Can do something other than Stealth Rock on a Tyranitar; though it still loses getting a decent chunk of health out of it is better than a simple self sacrifice. Loses to other leads that Taunt, kind of... Azelf usually only carries moves that Solrock resists, and Solrock has something SE for Aerodactyl. Hypnosis Bronzong is a problem, but it's better for Solrock to take the sleep than for a more useful Pokémon, I guess.

Flygon (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Atk/176 Spd/80 SAtk
Naughty nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Outrage
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Flygon's pretty useful on a resistance based offensive team. Easily comes in on predicted Heatran attacks that aren't HP Ice or Dragon Pulse. Also can come in on some Tyranitar attacks, like Stone Edge or Earthquake. U-Turn is great not only because it scounts the respone, but because so many otherwise - responses are weak to it (Cresselia, dumb users of Celebi). Fire Blast for Skarmory and Bronzong. SAtk EVs are what's left over after hitting 280 Speed.

Heatran (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Flamethrower
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Explosion
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Run of the mill Scarf Heatran. Provides more resistances to everything and is a good Scizor / Lucario revenge killer.

Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 64 HP/252 Atk/192 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Ice Fang
- Earthquake
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Hits 245 Speed. Simple late game Gyarados; Leftovers are preferred to Life Orb in my opinion so he can actually switch in repeatedly to certain attacks.

Heracross (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Guts
EVs: 104 HP/252 Atk/152 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Close Combat
- Megahorn
- Stone Edge
- Facade
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I was trying to decide between stallkiller (Flame Orb + SD) Heracross and this one, but I don't like losing my health plus Gliscor is commonly faster now, so this set is the way to go. Facade is really great if I'm statused and I predict Gliscor coming in.

Swampert (M) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Earth Power
- Surf
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Ice Beam
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The most disposable member of my team, he's only here because I wanted to try out something other than CB Flygon. He gets a kill every other match or so, I guess, and makes it so I have more Gyarados coverage while simeltaneously being a threat to the rest of the opponent's team.


So, main things to do:
- What can I replace Swampert and or Solrock with that would still leave my team a healthy number of resistances, weaknesses, and coverage of OU threats?
- Other changes are welcome too, I just wanna see what some good ideas are.
 
I'm about to go to sleep soon, so I can't be real deep, but doesn't Bronzong also learn Explosion and get Sandstorm immunity? =P
 
Magmortified said:
I'm about to go to sleep soon, so I can't be real deep, but doesn't Bronzong also learn Explosion and get Sandstorm immunity? =P
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It's not really a suicide lead, being that it should be in the game later on to take resisted Outrages or simply counter Mamoswine or Deo-S later on that most other pokemon cannot do.
 
Stalefish, that logic does not make sense to me. Bronzong should not be a suicide lead because it's too good a pokemon to blow up?

I could say the same thing about metagross or Azelf (they should be in there sweeping late game), and while they could be used that way that doesn't mean they can' set up rocks and blow up early just fine.

in otherwords, Chris' gotta answer the question: What's solrock got over Bronzong? Or Metagross? Or hell-- claydol?
 
Solrock has a Fire resist AND ground immunity, which in complete theorymon terms means it can beat Azelf or Heatran more easily, as he resists everything Azelf carries and a lot of what Heatran does. Whether or not he's still 2HKOed, I'm not sure, I really should have checked. But that's the rationale there.

Heh, Claydol. Didn't think of him. Claydol does more to Tyranitar, but less to Azelf without carrying Crunch or something... and he has lower Attack.

I'm not particularly adamant about using Solrock, this is just my "rationale" for now.
 
Not a bad idea dude. Also if sand storm comes up (and for some reason he's still around later on), he can take on heatran/azelf even better . . .

edit: I still think Solrock should have gotten rapid spin . . . damn you gamefreak
 
Heh, okay now I definitely want to make a niche theorymon Solrock set for countering Heatran / Azelf in the sand by way of best typing ever. Fuck, he doesn't even weigh that much for Grass Knot!

Swampert has been surprisingly useful, despite my idea that he's "disposable". Not sure if I still want to sub him out or not.
 
I would suggest you CB Azumarill as a revenge killer. It has one of the biggest attacks, with Waterfall, Ice Punch and Superpower it makes a great combo, and Aqua Jet hurts everything that doesn't resist it. If you invest something in HP and only a bit in Speed to outspeed things like Magnezone or Skarmory, you will have a strong attacker, which can take a lot of hits.
 
I tried CB Azumarill already, and I'll tell you that isn't as powerful as you might think, and suffers horribly from moveslot-syndrome because of its balance between offense and defense. It got Knock Off in Platinum, but Pokemon are hitting so hard nowadays it's difficult to depend on any water types for coverage that just are not plain faster, let alone Azumarill who is daftly slow without Aqua Jet. Aqua Jet helps in theorymon, but it just leaves the team really vulnerable. If Starmie comes in on it, his only possible switch in would be Heracross - Flygon could predict thunderbolt, but is OHKO'd by Ice Beam right after, Heatran could get pp stalled or Surf'd, etc.

Besides, his Swampert is primarily special, so it needs a replacement that is primarily special. Probably CM Suicune. He already has Flygon as an electric immunity, and if it ever gets into a tight spot, it can phaze for Stealth Rock damage with Roar, come back when it's safe and rest.
 
The problem with adding a water type then is that then I have nothing at all that can even /revenge kill/ a Zapdos, nonetheless counter it.

AeroGP, there's no particular need to stay to one side of the attacking spectrum here, as long as no one (or two) walls can do nasty things to my team. CB Azumarril is indeed pretty cool and powerful but the main problem here is preserving resistances.
 
If Skymin is still OU I'd definately use Timid on Heatran for that reason since your team... yeah...

Four choiced users will definately cause problems "using" those resistances as you'll have to make even tougher choices on what move to use; in other words a "predict and ???" cause. I'd maybe ditch Specs on Swampert and stick to the whole RestTalker + Curse set or maybe use Life Orb on some Pokemon (i.e. Flygon). I guess I don't know how to exactly "rate" this team since it is Platinum additions and such but it seems to have potential... though the gimmicks make me question some of it.
 
Chris is me said:
The problem with adding a water type then is that then I have nothing at all that can even /revenge kill/ a Zapdos, nonetheless counter it.

AeroGP, there's no particular need to stay to one side of the attacking spectrum here, as long as no one (or two) walls can do nasty things to my team. CB Azumarril is indeed pretty cool and powerful but the main problem here is preserving resistances.
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Try Lanturn... Strong HP, absorbs Thunder/Bolt/Wave, and Charge Beam/ Discharge.

Lanturn also makes you able to use Thunderwave, making common sweepers your enemy has more counterable. It basically packs the best of both a Water/Electric typing together, plus LANTURN WORKS GREAT WITH FLYGON!

Both are immune to Thunder attacks, without losing coverage, as Lanturn takes Flygon's Ice weakness, and Flygon takes Lanturn's EQ weakness.

Lanturn is great with: Discharge, Surf, Rest, Ice Beam.

Or even: Lanturn @ Life Orb

-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Hydro Pump
-Discharge

You get STAB on both moves, one can status an opponent, while the other hits harder... Sleep Talk makes up for Hydro's low PP, and Rest heals up Lanturn from Life Orb and overall damage.
 
holy shit did I honestly build a team that I can use Lanturn on? Awesome! I'l try him right away and see if he works. Thanks a lot!
 
consider deoe since ddmence runs through this with shocking ease i guess =|. gyara is ohkod with sr down or lo, pert has a 74% chance of living with sr and does to lo
 
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