Project National Dex How To Lure (Week 42: Pelipper)

[Dorron]

Congratulations Adib10 for winning your first week!



How will you lure this Force of Nature?

Good luck everyone!
Deadline: Thursday 10th​

 

[ezra]

U don’t

 

[salmonelephant]

This won’t be relevant in a week, but that’s also irrelevant to this project.


Landorus-Therian (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Substitute

Utilty torn can’t consistently break ur sub unless it has z fly, and np also has to waste z moves to consistently hit without like icy wind.

Rockium could be to just bop the torn without setup and hit other targets for big damage

 

[Redgoop115]

Lopunny-Mega @ Lopunnite
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Mirror Coat
- Return
- Close Combat
- U-turn

Instead of forcing lop to click u turn in fear of hurricane we now lure this mu. The plan is to stay as base lop and click mirror coat on a hurricane. This is likely against all torn sets, as utility doesnt have a better option to click generally, while z sets will want to click hurricane as attempting to np on lop can easily lead to your torn being a waste of a slot, and hurricane is generally a safer midground for them to click then focus blast, as both would kill but hurricane hits other targets better.


252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Hurricane vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lopunny: 166-196 (61.2 - 72.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

(thus mirror coat kills)

 

[Bored Pikachu]

Hawlucha @ Electric Seed
Level: 100
Adamant Nature
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 96 HP / 252 Atk / 36 SpD / 124 Spe
- Acrobatics
- Swords Dance
- High Jump Kick
- Stone Edge

look at calc

calc:
before sd
252+ Atk Hawlucha Stone Edge vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tornadus-Therian: 228-270 (76 - 90%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Hawlucha Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tornadus-Therian: 226-268 (62.4 - 74%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
after sd
+2 252+ Atk Hawlucha Stone Edge vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tornadus-Therian: 454-536 (151.3 - 178.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Hawlucha Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tornadus-Therian: 452-534 (124.8 - 147.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[Giyu]

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Power Whip
- Gyro Ball
- Leech Seed
- Curse

Tornadus-T utility sets are setup fodder for Ferrothorn. This may have a little more trouble with Focus Blast variants but it lives an All-Out-Pummeling.

Calculations

252 SpA Tornadus-Therian All-Out Pummeling (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 238-282 (67.6 - 80.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 152-180 (43.1 - 51.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Hurricane vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 103-123 (29.2 - 34.9%) -- 100% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

+1 0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tornadus-Therian: 277-327 (92.3 - 109%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[Icegod777]

U don’t

You can actually:

This Garchomp is the standard offensive stealth rock set except it's bulky enough to live an unboosted 252 Sp. Atk Timid Torn-T Supersonic Skystrike after stealth rocks. This Chomp is also strong enough to OHKO even a 4 HP 252 Def Torn-T with Continental Crush with unboosted attack! This is the set:

Garchomp @ Rockium Z
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 184 Atk / 72 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Swords Dance
- Stealth Rock

Calcs:
184 Atk Garchomp Continental Crush (180 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tornadus-Therian: 450-530 (150 - 176.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
184 Atk Garchomp Continental Crush (180 BP) vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Tornadus-Therian: 340-402 (113.3 - 134%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Supersonic Skystrike (185 BP) vs. 0 HP / 72 SpD Garchomp: 283-334 (79.2 - 93.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

 

[Dorron]

U don’t

seems like your post made 5 people submit in a single day




can you please do it every week

 

[Icegod777]

Already 5 lures to Torn-T, it should prob be unbanned then

 

[WM2N]

I actually forgot to submit this for like 2 days


Volcarona @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Level: 100
Timid Nature
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
- Quiver Dance
- Fire Blast
- Bug Buzz
- Psychic

Torn spread from Jordy in discord. If you confirmed the torn doesn't have a z volc can just launch fire blast+ 100% accuracy move if you want the insurance while surviving a hurricane if needed to use the z on something else.

252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Hurricane vs. +1 0 HP / 0 SpD Volcarona: 204-242 (65.5 - 77.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+1 252 SpA Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 20 SpD Tornadus-Therian: 297-349 (82 - 96.4%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

+1 252 SpA Volcarona Bug Buzz vs. 252 HP / 20 SpD Tornadus-Therian: 121-143 (33.4 - 39.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

+1 252 SpA Volcarona Psychic vs. 252 HP / 20 SpD Tornadus-Therian: 162-191 (44.7 - 52.7%) -- 82.4% chance to 2HKO

+1 252 SpA Volcarona Inferno Overdrive (185 BP) vs. 252 HP / 20 SpD Tornadus-Therian: 496-585 (137 - 161.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[Dorron]

It's voting time!
​

by salmonelephant

This won’t be relevant in a week, but that’s also irrelevant to this project.


Landorus-Therian (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Substitute

Utilty torn can’t consistently break ur sub unless it has z fly, and np also has to waste z moves to consistently hit without like icy wind.

Rockium could be to just bop the torn without setup and hit other targets for big damage

by Redgoop115

Lopunny-Mega @ Lopunnite
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Mirror Coat
- Return
- Close Combat
- U-turn

Instead of forcing lop to click u turn in fear of hurricane we now lure this mu. The plan is to stay as base lop and click mirror coat on a hurricane. This is likely against all torn sets, as utility doesnt have a better option to click generally, while z sets will want to click hurricane as attempting to np on lop can easily lead to your torn being a waste of a slot, and hurricane is generally a safer midground for them to click then focus blast, as both would kill but hurricane hits other targets better.


252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Hurricane vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lopunny: 166-196 (61.2 - 72.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

(thus mirror coat kills)

by Adib10

Hawlucha @ Electric Seed
Level: 100
Adamant Nature
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 96 HP / 252 Atk / 36 SpD / 124 Spe
- Acrobatics
- Swords Dance
- High Jump Kick
- Stone Edge

look at calc

calc:
before sd
252+ Atk Hawlucha Stone Edge vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tornadus-Therian: 228-270 (76 - 90%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Hawlucha Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tornadus-Therian: 226-268 (62.4 - 74%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
after sd
+2 252+ Atk Hawlucha Stone Edge vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tornadus-Therian: 454-536 (151.3 - 178.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Hawlucha Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tornadus-Therian: 452-534 (124.8 - 147.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

by GiyuForPresident

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Power Whip
- Gyro Ball
- Leech Seed
- Curse

Tornadus-T utility sets are setup fodder for Ferrothorn. This may have a little more trouble with Focus Blast variants but it lives an All-Out-Pummeling.

Calculations

252 SpA Tornadus-Therian All-Out Pummeling (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 238-282 (67.6 - 80.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 152-180 (43.1 - 51.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Hurricane vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 103-123 (29.2 - 34.9%) -- 100% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

+1 0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tornadus-Therian: 277-327 (92.3 - 109%) -- guaranteed OHKO

by Icegod777

You can actually:

This Garchomp is the standard offensive stealth rock set except it's bulky enough to live an unboosted 252 Sp. Atk Timid Torn-T Supersonic Skystrike after stealth rocks. This Chomp is also strong enough to OHKO even a 4 HP 252 Def Torn-T with Continental Crush with unboosted attack! This is the set:

Garchomp @ Rockium Z
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 184 Atk / 72 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Swords Dance
- Stealth Rock

Calcs:
184 Atk Garchomp Continental Crush (180 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tornadus-Therian: 450-530 (150 - 176.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
184 Atk Garchomp Continental Crush (180 BP) vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Tornadus-Therian: 340-402 (113.3 - 134%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Supersonic Skystrike (185 BP) vs. 0 HP / 72 SpD Garchomp: 283-334 (79.2 - 93.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

by WM2N

I actually forgot to submit this for like 2 days


Volcarona @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Level: 100
Timid Nature
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
- Quiver Dance
- Fire Blast
- Bug Buzz
- Psychic

Torn spread from Jordy in discord. If you confirmed the torn doesn't have a z volc can just launch fire blast+ 100% accuracy move if you want the insurance while surviving a hurricane if needed to use the z on something else.

252 SpA Tornadus-Therian Hurricane vs. +1 0 HP / 0 SpD Volcarona: 204-242 (65.5 - 77.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+1 252 SpA Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 20 SpD Tornadus-Therian: 297-349 (82 - 96.4%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

+1 252 SpA Volcarona Bug Buzz vs. 252 HP / 20 SpD Tornadus-Therian: 121-143 (33.4 - 39.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

+1 252 SpA Volcarona Psychic vs. 252 HP / 20 SpD Tornadus-Therian: 162-191 (44.7 - 52.7%) -- 82.4% chance to 2HKO

+1 252 SpA Volcarona Inferno Overdrive (185 BP) vs. 252 HP / 20 SpD Tornadus-Therian: 496-585 (137 - 161.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Last day to vote: Sunday 13th
Good luck everyone!​

 

[R8]

lopunny

 

[Iride]

Lando

 

[WM2N]

Voting for Landorus-t

 

[TheSorcer3r]

Lopunny

 

[Adam3560]

Lopunny

 

[Acrophobic_Avian]

chomper

 

[adem]

lop

 

[Dorron]

Congratulations Redgoop115 for your second win! Keep it up!


How will you lure the original dragon?

Deadline: Thurday 16th​

 

[WM2N]

Please let next week's be easier this made my brain hurt as i didn't want the bait to rely on luck and quite literally took 1 more hour than needed if i went for the first one i was thinking



Pelipper @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Toxic
- Roost
- U-turn

Kyurem is usually a difficult mon for rain to face against, since sub roost sets pp stall ferrothorn in the long game and almost nothing else in rain wants to switch in to it's ice STAB. Due to this Kyurem wants as much opportunity to pick off the rain threats one by one, with pelipper being the most helpless against it as the most it could threaten against kyurem is a U-Turn on the switch, but with toxic this permanently cripples the biggest threat rain team can go against, making it so much easier to dance around the formerly RU dragon. That's not to say toxic is useless besides against kyurem, it can also be used against shedinja, one of the only few reliable answers against tail glow manaphy in stall teams. Other annoying defensive pokemon rain dislike facing against such as tangrowth and alomomola will have a hard time keeping up now that they are on a timer.

 

[3MoreMinutes]

Alomomola @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 40 HP / 216 Def / 252 SpD
Bold Nature
- Toxic
- Mirror Coat
- Wish
- Protect

Does this set suck? Yes. Does it beat Kyurem? Yes.
252+ SpA Kyurem Freeze-Dry vs. 40 HP / 252 SpD Alomomola: 314-372 (65.2 - 77.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Should NDUU tours be freed? Yes.

 

[pannu]

Gastrodon-East @ Yache Berry
Ability: Sticky Hold
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Earthquake
- Clear Smog
- Mirror Coat
- Recover

252+ SpA Never-Melt Ice Kyurem Freeze-Dry vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Yache Berry Gastrodon: 248-294 (58.2 - 69%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

mirror coat does twice damage you're sticky hold so that u dont get knocked and lose

 

[salmonelephant]

Zapdos @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Static
EVs: 28 HP / 12 Def / 252 SpA / 216 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Discharge
- Hurricane
- Heat Wave
- Roost

252 SpA Zapdos Supersonic Skystrike (185 BP) vs. 56 HP / 4 SpD Kyurem: 319-376 (78.7 - 92.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

minimal chip damage into skystrike will fix ur kyurem problems

 

[Giyu]

CHOICE SCARF HEATRAN

Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Eruption

- Steel Beam

- Earth Power

- Magma Storm

Heatran is basically always countered by Kyurem because of Earth Power and Heatran usually not having a Steel-type move on hand. Choice Scarf Heatran outspeeds SubRoost and Choice Specs Kyurem variants and OHKO's Kyurem with Steel Beam. Choice Scarf ensures Heatran doesn't get outsped by Kyurem and dies to the very common Earth Power.

Calculations

Heatran -> Kyurem

Choice Specs Kyurem - 252 SpA Heatran Steel Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Kyurem: 498-588 (127.3 - 150.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

SubRoost Kyurem - 252 SpA Heatran Steel Beam vs. 56 HP / 0 SpD Kyurem: 500-590 (123.4 - 145.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Kyurem -> Heatran

Choice Specs Kyurem - 252+ SpA Choice Specs Kyurem Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Heatran: 612-724 (189.4 - 224.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Choice Specs Kyurem - 252+ SpA Choice Specs Kyurem Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Heatran: 408-482 (126.3 - 149.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

SubRoost Kyurem - 200 SpA Kyurem Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Heatran: 360-428 (111.4 - 132.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[Dorron]

It's voting time!
​

by WM2N

Please let next week's be easier this made my brain hurt as i didn't want the bait to rely on luck and quite literally took 1 more hour than needed if i went for the first one i was thinking



Pelipper @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Toxic
- Roost
- U-turn

Kyurem is usually a difficult mon for rain to face against, since sub roost sets pp stall ferrothorn in the long game and almost nothing else in rain wants to switch in to it's ice STAB. Due to this Kyurem wants as much opportunity to pick off the rain threats one by one, with pelipper being the most helpless against it as the most it could threaten against kyurem is a U-Turn on the switch, but with toxic this permanently cripples the biggest threat rain team can go against, making it so much easier to dance around the formerly RU dragon. That's not to say toxic is useless besides against kyurem, it can also be used against shedinja, one of the only few reliable answers against tail glow manaphy in stall teams. Other annoying defensive pokemon rain dislike facing against such as tangrowth and alomomola will have a hard time keeping up now that they are on a timer.

by 3MoreMinutes

Alomomola @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 40 HP / 216 Def / 252 SpD
Bold Nature
- Toxic
- Mirror Coat
- Wish
- Protect

Does this set suck? Yes. Does it beat Kyurem? Yes.
252+ SpA Kyurem Freeze-Dry vs. 40 HP / 252 SpD Alomomola: 314-372 (65.2 - 77.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Should NDUU tours be freed? Yes.

by pannuracotta

Gastrodon-East @ Yache Berry
Ability: Sticky Hold
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Earthquake
- Clear Smog
- Mirror Coat
- Recover

252+ SpA Never-Melt Ice Kyurem Freeze-Dry vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Yache Berry Gastrodon: 248-294 (58.2 - 69%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

mirror coat does twice damage you're sticky hold so that u dont get knocked and lose

by salmonelephant

Zapdos @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Static
EVs: 28 HP / 12 Def / 252 SpA / 216 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Discharge
- Hurricane
- Heat Wave
- Roost

252 SpA Zapdos Supersonic Skystrike (185 BP) vs. 56 HP / 4 SpD Kyurem: 319-376 (78.7 - 92.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

minimal chip damage into skystrike will fix ur kyurem problems

by GiyuForPresident

CHOICE SCARF HEATRAN
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Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Eruption View attachment 407279
- Steel Beam View attachment 407278
- Earth Power View attachment 407281
- Magma Storm View attachment 407280

Heatran is basically always countered by Kyurem because of Earth Power and Heatran usually not having a Steel-type move on hand. Choice Scarf Heatran outspeeds SubRoost and Choice Specs Kyurem variants and OHKO's Kyurem with Steel Beam. Choice Scarf ensures Heatran doesn't get outsped by Kyurem and dies to the very common Earth Power.

Calculations

Heatran -> Kyurem

Choice Specs Kyurem - 252 SpA Heatran Steel Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Kyurem: 498-588 (127.3 - 150.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

SubRoost Kyurem - 252 SpA Heatran Steel Beam vs. 56 HP / 0 SpD Kyurem: 500-590 (123.4 - 145.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Kyurem -> Heatran

Choice Specs Kyurem - 252+ SpA Choice Specs Kyurem Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Heatran: 612-724 (189.4 - 224.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Choice Specs Kyurem - 252+ SpA Choice Specs Kyurem Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Heatran: 408-482 (126.3 - 149.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

SubRoost Kyurem - 200 SpA Kyurem Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Heatran: 360-428 (111.4 - 132.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Last day to vote: Sunday 20th
Good luck everyone!​