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NatDex Ubers TL
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National Dex Ubers Speed Tiers
The objective of this resource is to lay out a visual list of all relevant speed tiers in the National Dex Ubers metagame. Only viable sets are included; stuff like Modest Deoxys-A isn't listed here. Speed creeping is only included if the set in question is a commonly used one. D-ranked Pokemon are not included.
Tier Zero [ ∞ > x ≥ 500 ]
Speed
Sprite
Pokémon (Set)
Base
Nature
IVs
EVs
±
Extra Changes
784
Ultra Necrozma
129
positive
31
252
+2
770
Ultra Necrozma
129
positive
31
224
+2
769
Iron Treads
106
positive
31
252
+1
Quark Drive
757
Iron Treads
106
positive
31
236
+1
Quark Drive
744
|
Arceus | Mega Salamence
120
positive
31
252
+2
678
|
Arceus | Mega Salamence
120
neutral
31
252
+2
661
Pheromosa
151
positive
31
252
+1
658
Ultra Necrozma
129
neutral
31
140
+2
654
Ultra Necrozma
129
neutral
31
132
+2
634
|
Rayquaza | Kyurem-B
95
positive
31
252
+2
614
Arceus-Ground (Physical Setup Sweeper)
120
neutral
31
124
+2
612
|
Zekrom | Primal Groudon
90
positive
31
252
+2
607
Flutter Mane
135
positive
31
252
+1
588
Ultra Necrozma
129
positive
31
252
+1
586
Zekrom
90
positive
31
204
+2
578
Zygarde
95
neutral
31
252
+2
577
Ultra Necrozma
129
positive
31
224
+1
574
Marshadow
125
positive
31
252
+1
568
Zygarde (Dragon Dance)
95
neutral
31
232
+2
558
|
Arceus | Mega Salamence
120
positive
31
252
+1
558
|
Primal Groudon | Zekrom
90
neutral
31
252
+2
556
Necrozma-DM
77
positive
31
252
+2
546
Smeargle
75
positive
31
252
+2
540
Necrozma-DM (Ultra Dragon Dance)
77
positive
31
224
+2
538
Zygarde-C
85
neutral
31
252
+2
535
Ultra Necrozma
129
neutral
31
252
+1
528
Zygarde-C
85
neutral
31
232
+2
513
Iron Treads
106
positive
31
252
+1
508
|
Arceus | Mega Salamence
120
neutral
31
252
+1
506
Necrozma-DM
77
neutral
31
252
+2
505
Iron Treads
106
positive
31
236
+1
504
Deoxys-S
180
positive
31
252
±0
Tier One [ 500 > x ≥ 400 ]
Speed
Sprite
Pokémon (Set)
Base
Nature
IVs
EVs
±
Extra Changes
498
Necrozma-DM (Dragon Dance)
77
neutral
31
236
+2
493
Ultra Necrozma
129
neutral
31
140
+1
490
Ultra Necrozma
129
neutral
31
132
+1
490
Primal Groudon (Double Dance)
90
neutral
31
116
+2
489
Yveltal (Choice Scarf)
99
positive
31
252
+1
478
Yveltal (Choice Scarf)
99
positive
31
224
+1
475
|
Kyurem-B | Rayquaza
95
positive
31
252
+1
460
Arceus-Ground (Physical Setup Sweeper)
120
neutral
31
124
+1
459
Zekrom
90
positive
31
252
+1
459
Primal Groudon (Eruption)
90
positive
31
252
±0
-1 Spe on foe
450
Necrozma-DM (Ultra Dragon Dance)
77
neutral
31
140
+2
446
Necrozma-DM (Ultra Dragon Dance)
77
neutral
31
132
+2
442
Necrozma-DM (Dragon Dance)
77
neutral
31
124
+2
441
Pheromosa
151
positive
31
252
±0
440
Deoxys-S (Entry Hazard Setter)
180
positive
31
16
±0
439
Zekrom
90
positive
31
204
+1
438
Deoxys-A
150
positive
31
252
±0
435
Arceus (Extreme Killer)
120
neutral
31
56
+1
434
Zacian-C
148
positive
31
252
±0
433
Zygarde
95
neutral
31
252
+1
426
Zygarde (Dragon Dance)
95
neutral
31
232
+1
420
Basculegion
78
positive
31
252
+1
418
Zekrom
90
neutral
31
252
+1
417
Necrozma-DM
77
positive
31
252
+1
416
Mega Mewtwo Y
140
positive
31
252
±0
409
Smeargle
75
positive
31
252
+1
407
Mega Mewtwo Y
140
positive
31
216
+0
405
|
Flutter Mane | Chien-Pao
135
positive
31
252
±0
405
Necrozma-DM (Ultra Dragon Dance)
77
positive
31
224
+1
403
Zygarde-C
85
neutral
31
252
+1
Tier Two [ 400 > x ≥ 300 ]
Speed
Sprite
Pokémon (Set)
Base
Nature
IVs
EVs
±
Extra Changes
396
Zygarde-C (Dragon Dance)
85
neutral
31
232
+1
396
Chien-Pao
135
positive
31
216
±0
395
Zacian-C
148
neutral
31
252
±0
394
Eternatus | Mewtwo | Mega Mewtwo X
130
positive
31
252
±0
392
Ultra Necrozma
129
positive
31
252
±0
385
Ultra Necrozma
129
positive
31
224
±0
385
Eternatus (Defensive)
130
positive
31
216
±0
384
Primal Groudon (Offensive Support)
90
neutral
31
160
±0
-1 Spe on foe
383
Marshadow
125
positive
31
252
±0
379
Necrozma-DM
77
neutral
31
252
+1
374
Eternatus (Defensive)
130
positive
31
176
±0
373
Necrozma-DM (Dragon Dance)
77
neutral
31
236
+1
372
Arceus | Palkia-O | Mega Salamence
120
positive
31
252
±0
357
Ultra Necrozma
129
neutral
31
252
±0
350
|
Mega Diancie | Mega Latios
110
positive
31
252
±0
342
Iron Treads
106
positive
31
252
±0
341
|
Mega Diancie | Mega Latios
110
positive
31
216
±0
341
Arceus
120
positive
31
136
±0
339
Arceus | Palkia-O | Mega Salamence
120
neutral
31
252
±0
337
Iron Treads
106
positive
31
236
±0
337
Necrozma-DM (Ultra Dragon Dance)
77
neutral
31
140
+1
334
Necrozma-DM (Ultra Dragon Dance)
77
neutral
31
132
+1
331
Necrozma-DM (Dragon Dance)
77
neutral
31
124
+1
330
Arceus
120
positive
31
96
±0
329
Ultra Necrozma
129
neutral
31
140
+0
328
Chi-Yu
100
positive
31
252
±0
327
Ultra Necrozma
129
neutral
31
132
±0
327
Eternatus (Defensive)
130
positive
31
8
±0
326
Yveltal
99
positive
31
252
±0
324
Primal Groudon
90
neutral
31
0
±0
-1 Spe on foe
322
Lunala
97
positive
31
252
±0
319
Yveltal (Choice Scarf)
99
positive
31
224
±0
Item removed
317
Rayquaza | Kyurem-B | Tapu Lele
95
positive
31
252
±0
309
Landorus-T
91
positive
31
252
±0
308
Yveltal (Defensive)
99
positive
31
184
±0
308
Rayquaza (Choice Band)
95
positive
31
216
±0
307
|
Arceus | Mega Salamence
120
neutral
31
124
±0
306
Primal Groudon | Primal Kyogre | Dialga | Zekrom
90
positive
31
252
±0
Tier Three [ 300 > x ≥ 200 ]
Speed
Sprite
Pokémon
Base
Nature
IVs
EVs
±
Extra Changes
298
Glimmora
86
positive
31
252
±0
297
Yveltal
99
neutral
31
252
±0
293
Zekrom
90
positive
31
204
±0
293
Lunala
97
neutral
31
252
±0
290
Arceus (Extreme Killer)
120
neutral
31
56
±0
289
Zygarde
95
neutral
31
252
±0
284
Zygarde (Dragon Dance)
95
neutral
31
232
±0
280
Arceus
120
neutral
31
16
±0
280
Basculegion-M
78
positive
31
252
±0
280
Mega Latios
110
neutral
31
96
±0
280
Glimmora
86
positive
31
188
±0
279
Primal Groudon | Primal Kyogre | Dialga | Zekrom
90
neutral
31
252
±0
278
Necrozma-DM
78
positive
31
252
±0
273
Smeargle
75
positive
31
252
±0
270
Necrozma-DM (Ultra Dragon Dance)
77
positive
31
224
±0
269
Zygarde-C
85
neutral
31
252
±0
264
Zygarde-C
85
neutral
31
232
±0
256
Primal Groudon (Offensive Support)
90
neutral
31
160
±0
254
Primal Groudon (Offensive Support)
90
neutral
31
152
±0
253
Necrozma-DM
77
neutral
31
252
±0
252
Deoxys-S
180
positive
31
252
±0
Paralyzed
249
Necrozma-DM (Dragon Dance)
77
neutral
31
236
±0
245
Primal Groudon (Double Dance)
90
neutral
31
116
±0
244
Yveltal (Choice Scarf)
99
positive
31
252
±0
Paralyzed
239
Yveltal (Choice Scarf)
99
positive
31
252
±0
Paralyzed
234
Yveltal
99
neutral
31
0
±0
230
Lunala
97
neutral
31
0
±0
226
Zygarde
95
neutral
31
0
±0
225
Necrozma-DM (Ultra Dragon Dance)
77
neutral
31
140
±0
223
Necrozma-DM (Ultra Dragon Dance)
77
neutral
31
132
±0
221
Necrozma-DM (Dragon Dance)
77
neutral
31
124
±0
220
Pheromosa
151
positive
31
252
±0
Paralyzed
219
Deoxys-A
150
positive
31
252
±0
Paralyzed
218
Zacian-C
148
positive
31
252
±0
Paralyzed
216
Primal Groudon | Primal Kyogre | Ho-Oh | Giratina-O | Giratina
90
neutral
31
0
±0
211
Rayquaza
95
positive
31
252
-1
208
Mega Mewtwo Y
140
positive
31
252
±0
Paralyzed
206
Zygarde-C
85
neutral
31
0
±0
205
Rayquaza
95
positive
31
216
-1
204
Gholdengo
84
neutral
31
0
±0
202
|
Chien-Pao | Flutter Mane
135
positive
31
252
±0
Paralyzed
Tier Four [ 200 > x ≥ 100 ]
Speed
Sprite
Pokémon
Base
Nature
IVs
EVs
±
Extra Changes 197
Eternatus | Mewtwo | Mega Mewtwo X
130
positive
31
252
±0
Paralyzed
196
Ultra Necrozma
129
positive
31
252
±0
Paralyzed
194
Primal Groudon | Primal Kyogre | Ho-Oh | Giratina
90
negative
0
0
±0
191
Marshadow
125
positive
31
252
±0
Paralyzed
190
Necrozma-DM (Defensive)
77
neutral
31
0
±0
186
Arceus | Mega Salamence | Palkia-O
120
positive
31
252
±0
Paralyzed
178
Mega Tyranitar
71
neutral
31
0
±0
169
Arceus | Mega Salamence | Palkia-O
120
neutral
31
252
±0
Paralyzed
166
Gothitelle
65
neutral
31
0
±0
164
Chi-Yu
100
positive
31
252
±0
Paralyzed
163
Yveltal
99
positive
31
252
±0
Paralyzed
161
Lunala
97
positive
31
252
±0
Paralyzed
158
Rayquaza | Kyurem-B | Tapu Lele
95
positive
31
252
±0
Paralyzed
158
Tyranitar
61
neutral
31
0
±0
157
Cresselia
85
negative
0
0
±0
156
Grimmsnarl
60
neutral
31
0
±0
153
Primal Groudon | Primal Kyogre | Dialga
90
positive
31
252
±0
Paralyzed
146
Blissey
55
neutral
31
0
±0
143
Necrozma-DM
77
negative
0
0
±0
140
Ursaluna-B
52
neutral
31
0
±0
139
Primal Groudon | Primal Kyogre | Dialga
90
neutral
31
252
±0
Paralyzed
139
Necrozma-DM
77
positive
31
252
±0
Paralyzed
136
Chansey | Calyrex-I | Kingambit
50
neutral
31
0
±0
121
Alomomola
65
negative
0
0
±0
113
Zygarde
95
neutral
31
0
±0
Paralyzed
108
Primal Groudon | Primal Kyogre | Ho-Oh | Giratina-O | Giratina
90
neutral
31
0
±0
Paralyzed
106
|
Dondozo | Garganacl
35
neutral
31
0
±0
103
Zygarde-C
85
neutral
31
0
±0
Paralyzed
Tier Five [ 100 > x ≥ 0 ]
Speed
Sprite
Pokémon
Base
Nature
IVs
EVs
±
98
Ursaluna-B
52
negative
0
0
±0
94
Calyrex-I
50
negative
0
0
±0
90
Ditto
48
negative
0
0
±0
76
Ferrothorn
20
neutral
31
0
±0
70
Dondozo
35
neutral
31
0
-1
65
Melmetal
34
negative
0
0
±0
56
Hatterene
29
negative
0
0
±0
53
Dondozo
35
neutral
31
0
-2
46
Shuckle
5
neutral
31
0
±0
40
Ferrothorn
20
negative
0
0
±0
Last edited: Aug 16, 2024
thx! this helps soo much
<3
add caly ice in clerics too, band set uses it
no more /verify on my wall
A couple suggestions for speed tiers:
-delete koraidon since it's banned (edit: I went ahead and did that one)
-add an arceus benchmark at 330, +speed nature arceus aiming to outspeed base 100 reaches that. DD Groundceus with this spread exists so probably add +1 and +2 too
-add adamant marshadow
is this open for anyone to add to, or is it just to be added to by OP, because I was planning on submitting heat crashes damage values for each relevant Mon?
NatDex Ubers TL
Moderator
is this open for anyone to add to, or is it just to be added to by OP, because I was planning on submitting heat crashes damage values for each relevant Mon?
Anyone can post suggestions here, yes, including sample team submissions as recently announced.
Anyone can post suggestions here, yes, including sample team submissions as recently announced.
thx
so, yeah, i think it is worth putting up the bp of groudons heat crash against the tier. also maybe marshadows low kick. i have the values for the former if anyone needs them
NatDex Ubers TL
Moderator
I'd appreciate the posting of such list, but for Low Kick it'd be rather useless as it's a constant value that can be found exhaustively
here already.
Last edited: May 23, 2024
I'd appreciate the posting of such list, but for Low Kick it'd be rather useless as it's a constat value that can be found exhaustively
here already.
yeah, but that requires you to do math. also, the resources are pretty outdated. not too big of an issue though.
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