Need Ratings

Rayquaza191

This is my first team and I've had 3 battles with them, 1 won and 2 lost thus far. Looking to see how it could be improved.

Metagross - Lead
252 HP / 236 Atk / 4 Def / 16 Spe
Occa Berry - Adamant

Moveset:
-Earthquake
-Explosion
-Stealth Rock
-Thunder Punch

This is my lead pokemon, can set up stealth rock. Occa Berry protects him from any incoming fire pokes and lets him survive so he can use Earthquake. Explosion to ensure he takes a poke with him. Should survive to a Jolly CB Dugtrio using EQ if he's full, but not a Adamant, he should outspeed most other Metagross leads though with 16 Speed EVs. Thunder Punch for Skarmory, Suicine, Vaporeon, and sometimes Starmie.

Scizor
32 HP / 252 Atk / 224 Spe
Life Orb - Adamant

Moveset:
-Bullet Punch
-X-Scissor
-Swords Dance
-Brick Break

HP is fixed for 11 uses of Life Orb. He has Bullet Punch as a priority STAB move combined with Life Orb, Swords Dance, and Technician takes out a lot of opponents. X-Scissor serves as another STAB and Brick Break to cover threats like Skarmory and Heatran.

Gliscor
252 HP / 196 SpD / 60 Spe
Yache Berry - Jolly

Moveset:
-Swords Dance
-Rock Polish
-Roost
-Baton Pass

This guy is a pure baton passer and is built to tank while he Swords Dance and Rock Polish's up to pass onto one of my other pokes. Yache Berry lowers the super effective damage of Ice Attacks from threats like Gyrados and he can roost to heal himself if necessary.

Flygon
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Choice Scarf - Jolly

Moveset:
-Outrage
-U-Turn
-Fire Punch
-Earthquake

Outrage for STAB and to finish off opposing Dragon's with his Speed EV's and Choice Scarf, good for neutral damage as well. U-Turn for scouting opponents and does super effective damage to threats like Tyranitar, Alakazam, etc. Fire Punch covers Skarmory, Bronzong, Scizor, Lucario, etc. Earthquake provides another STAB, but I'm considering Stone Edge to counter Gyarados.

Gyarados
252 Speed / 252 Attack / 4 HP
Life Orb - Jolly

Moveset:
-Dragon Dance
-Stone Edge
-Ice Fang
-Waterfall

Ice Fang for threats like Dragonite, Salamence, Gliscor. Stone Edge for opposing Gyarados for a 1HKO with my Stealth Rock set up and Jolly Nature to outspeed other Gyarados unless they are Choice Scarf or have DD'ed. Waterfall for STAB and coverage of Ground Types.


Tyranitar
176 HP / 252 Atk / 80 Spe
Choice Band - Adamant

Moveset:
-Stone Edge
-Fire Punch
-Aqua Tail
-Crunch

Supports the team with Sand Stream for some damage layered with Stealth Rock. Also boosts special defense of a couple of members of my team. Stone Edge for flying threats and a STAB. Aqua Tail is for threats such as Hippowdon and Fire Punch to cover Forretress, Skarmory, and Bronzong. Crunch serves as another STAB and sweeps opponents like Dusclops and Gengar.
 
You said to suggest a switxh for garchomp. I suggest Flygon.

Flygon fills Garchomp's niche nicely--and the added earthquake immunity is sah-weet.

Flygon@ Choice Band
Lonely (252 Atk / 80 SpA / 176 Spe )
-UTurn
-Earthquake
-Outrage
-Fire Blast
^straight from smogon. It is useful for scouting with UTurn and actually packs quite a punch. Use fire blast over fire punch becuase even with Flygon's atk investments, fire blast still hits like 97% of the steels its there for for much higher dammage than fire punch. Its really there to threaten skarmory--who can take repeated fire punches without worry.

Aggron isn't really a good pokemon. Try a swampert instead?


You can go to smogon forum's battle school for help--maybe an admin can post the link?
 
Yeah, I was considering Flygon and have been breeding him in advance, I keep getting 3 31 IV's in HP, Att, and Speed, but they seem to come out with horrible Def, SpecD. I was considering Dugtrio, Rhyperior(Rock Polish), or Gyrados to fill the slot for Garchomp as well. As far as Aggron goes he's only there because I just thought he was a cool looking poke so I added him, I know he's UU, unfortunately he doesn't put up much of a fight and is a complete waste really. I thought focus sash is activated every time, but I'm a noob and apparently it doesn't, which really made it a waste to breed him. I'll probably replace him too because he really isn't cutting it unless someone can recommend a better setup for him. Any ideas for replacements for Aggron(Considering Empoleon)? The only dislike I have of Flygon is that I have to sacrifice either Defense or Special Defense to keep his other stats from being lowered.
 
I think I will go with a Adamant Flygon with Choice Band and 252 Atk / 80 HP / 176 Spe. From what I saw on Smogon I have to jeopardize defense/special defense if I decide to go with a mixed attacker. Also, I personally think Bronzong poses more of a threat then Skarmory so I decided to go for Fire Punch as well which 2HKO's him and 3 HKO for Skarmory, that plus I can switch over the extra 80 EVs I would've used into SpecA into HP.
 
go with ScarfGon instead of Band and use the same EVs. also, make sure to include Outrage, EQ, and U-Turn. as for a final attack go with Fire Punch/Fire Blast (running Adamant/Naughty respectively) to hit Steels hard and give you unresisted coverage, or possibly Thunder Punch to surprise kill some Waters

he should be used as a Revenge Killer, therfore will mainly come in once somethings dies to get that kill (or scout for counters with U-Turn :D) so Def and SpDef really shouldn't be a concern since you'll outrun most things with Scarf


EDIT: btw, i advise not running a +Spe Nature with a Scarf or +Atk/SpA with Band/Specs. use the Nature to boost the other stat (ex: if you go with Band run Jolly/Naive, if Scarf go with Adamant/Naughty)
 
I would actually go for a Jolly/Naive Scarf Flygon. It allows you to outspeed the majority of the metagame and even tie with +speed Salamence after 1 Dragon Dance (provided that you max speed EVs). You don't lose any OHKOs with a neutral attack nature so why not get some extra speed? I had Adamant Flygon on my team and I quickly changed it to Jolly because of how awesome of a revenge killer it was.

For Metagross, I would reduce the HP or Atk EVs by 4 and add them to speed to outspeed the standard Metagross leads, which is quite beneficial given how popular they are.

For Scizor, I would either go for the Choice Band set or replace him with Lucario. In my opinion, Lucario is far better as a Swords Dancer because of his better type coverage. Your Scizor is walled by Gyarados, allowing it to come in and set up with Dragon Dance.

Aggron isn't a good Pokemon but I'm not sure what to suggest over it. I don't really see what purpose it has on your team. Purhaps you could go for the Sleep Talk Machamp from the analysis. You'd be surprised at how many teams are unprepared for Machamp.

Lastly, I would use Pursuit on Tyranitar because it makes a great trapper, though that's up to you since Fire Punch is really surprising to Tyranitar's common switch ins.
 
Bribes said:
I would actually go for a Jolly/Naive Scarf Flygon. It allows you to outspeed the majority of the metagame and even tie with +speed Salamence after 1 Dragon Dance (provided that you max speed EVs). You don't lose any OHKOs with a neutral attack nature so why not get some extra speed? I had Adamant Flygon on my team and I quickly changed it to Jolly because of how awesome of a revenge killer it was.

For Metagross, I would reduce the HP or Atk EVs by 4 and add them to speed to outspeed the standard Metagross leads, which is quite beneficial given how popular they are.

For Scizor, I would either go for the Choice Band set or replace him with Lucario. In my opinion, Lucario is far better as a Swords Dancer because of his better type coverage. Your Scizor is walled by Gyarados, allowing it to come in and set up with Dragon Dance.

Aggron isn't a good Pokemon but I'm not sure what to suggest over it. I don't really see what purpose it has on your team. Purhaps you could go for the Sleep Talk Machamp from the analysis. You'd be surprised at how many teams are unprepared for Machamp.

Lastly, I would use Pursuit on Tyranitar because it makes a great trapper, though that's up to you since Fire Punch is really surprising to Tyranitar's common switch ins.
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As far as Scizor you are sort or right, in my last match I really got screwed when my opponent came out with a Gyarados as I switched in my Scizor, all hell broke loose after that point since he got in a DD. Although I did make a few noob mistakes so that could've been it too, I was considering a neutral attack for a threat like Gyarados to replace X-Scissor(Possibly quick attack), not to into the idea of swapping my Scizor for Lucario. I'll consider putting a choice band on Scizor, but I think I'd really hate being stuck on one attack with him.

For Metagross I really like that idea to outspeed other Metagross leads, I'll drop a point of HP and put it into Speed.

Aggron I have on there just for surprise with Metal Burst and because he's a cool looking poke, but as I said his focus sash has been failing him so I am going to swap him for something else for sure. I'm aiming towards something covering any incoming Water pokemon like Starmie and Gyarados.

Fire Punch has proven its worth so far on Tyranitar, I'll switch to Pursuit if I have any problems with it.

For Flygon I'm not entirely sure, I like the idea of outspeeding more opponents, but the extra damage from Adamant rather than Jolly might be more useful. I'll consider that as well, but I just bred a nice Adamant Flygon too =[
 
Breeding a Jolly Flygon now, what I need advice on now is what Poke to replace Aggron with. I just had a match earlier and his focus sash failed again. Ended up losing because of a unlucky crit on my Scizor when I swapped him in, he had 3 Swords Dance and a Rock Polish baton passed onto him, would've won otherwise, Aggron contributed little, he took out a Tokekiss with his Stone Edge.
 
I would advise battling more than 3 times before you judge a team. Often times they take a little getting used to, at least from my experience. Sometimes you might not know what to switch in in certain scenarios, or when to sacrifice a pokemon, or which pokemon will be the most valuable, etc. Also you might wind up changing things about your teams that fix certain problems, but expose others. So I would recommend battling a bunch of times and make note of all the weaknesses your team has, then decide what to change in order to overcome them. Good luck :)
 
Diesel said:
I would advise battling more than 3 times before you judge a team. Often times they take a little getting used to, at least from my experience. Sometimes you might not know what to switch in in certain scenarios, or when to sacrifice a pokemon, or which pokemon will be the most valuable, etc. Also you might wind up changing things about your teams that fix certain problems, but expose others. So I would recommend battling a bunch of times and make note of all the weaknesses your team has, then decide what to change in order to overcome them. Good luck :)
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Yeah, I made countless mistakes, but pokes like Aggron I can tell right off the bat aren't even semi worthy to keep on my team. What I'm wondering is why my Focus Sash isn't working, I thought it was suppose to work every time? Focus Band has only a 10% chance, I thought the sash was no fail. I do have to change Garchomp though, not many people want to battle with me having a uber.
 
A pokemon loses its Focus Sash as soon as it takes damage. If it is at 100% hit with an attack that would normally OHKO it, it will survive with 1 HP. However, if it comes in and gets hurt by Stealth Rock, leaving it at 88%, then gets hit with that same attack, it will die.

Look it up on the site.
 
Rayquaza191 said:
Yeah, I made countless mistakes, but pokes like Aggron I can tell right off the bat aren't even semi worthy to keep on my team. What I'm wondering is why my Focus Sash isn't working, I thought it was suppose to work every time? Focus Band has only a 10% chance, I thought the sash was no fail. I do have to change Garchomp though, not many people want to battle with me having a uber.
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Focus Sash does not work if you are below 100% HP. Yours is probably failing due to Stealth Rock damage. If you want to use Focus Sash on Aggron, you need to be good at predicting. Send it in on a predicted Earthquake or Close Combat and it should activate.

Also, I think Bastiodon would be better for the Metal Burst set since it has better SpDef.
 
That would explain a lot heh, stealth rock really defeats the purpose of my Aggron's combination of Focus Sash and Metal Burst.

What do you guys think if i swapped bullet punch on Metagross for thunderpunch for water threats?
 
I gave my Aggron a Shuca Berry for Super Effective Ground Attacks, it might work better. My Flygon is prepped, went with Jolly, 252 Speed/252Att/4HP, Fire Punch, EQ, U-Turn, Outrage, Choice Scarf.
 
Heh, just won a match with some nice prediction, Flygon owns. Second game was against a different guy and I got unlucky as hell, guy depended on Reflect/Barrier/Wish. I got on my last poke which was Flygon to fight his Salamance, Outrage killed him. He pulled out his Jirachi and I finished him off with another Outrage which made my Flygon confused after two turns. Then his Charizard came into Stealth Rock and Sandstorm getting his HP to around half while I'm at full HP, I use Outrage but Flygon hits himself, he uses FB, I use Outrage again and Flygon hits himself again, he finishes me off with FB. I think I'll just switch to Dragon Claw, that seriously just pissed me off lol. Seriously, what are the odds of my Flygon going into confusion after two turns, staying confused and hitting himself for two more turns, and his Charizard not missing a Fire Blast, so lame...
 
Bribes said:
Focus Sash does not work if you are below 100% HP. Yours is probably failing due to Stealth Rock damage. If you want to use Focus Sash on Aggron, you need to be good at predicting. Send it in on a predicted Earthquake or Close Combat and it should activate.

Also, I think Bastiodon would be better for the Metal Burst set since it has better SpDef.
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I definitely agree here. Bastiodon is generally the more adept user of metal burst, since it can take physical and special hits.
 
I had Aggron just because I liked him, don't like Bastiodon, but I will drop Aggron for sure, he doesn't provide enough support for my team.
 
Actually, without Outrage on Flygon, you miss many critical OHKOs and 2HKOs. Since Flygon is rarely the last Pokemon, situations such as the one you mentioned will be rare. You can usually just switch out of Outrage confusion. Metagross should actually use 16 Speed EVs, to beat 12 Speed Metagross and take the LeadGross arms race even further.
 
I'll take that into consideration^

Atm I'm breeding a Jolly Gyarados to counter other Gyarados and replace Aggron. From the few battles I've had he's been a bit of a problem and a common switch in to my Scizor. Tyranitar has Stone Edge, but simply can't outspeed him to take him out(Although this is a assumption, I never tried switching in my Tyranitar for fear of him getting one hit by a Waterfall especially considering in every situation my Tyranitar was 3/4HP or slightly lower).
 
Gyarados is on my team now, working a lot better as a replacement for Aggron. Couple of games ago I got destroyed by a Starmie though although that's partially my fault and I should've predicted a switch to Starmie with my Metagross and gone with Explosion rather than using Stealth Rock(That plus I didn not know Starmie could learn Thunderbolt which wiped my Gyarados).
 
On Tyranitar, you should go Earthquake/Pursuit over Fire punch, because
Bronzong and Skarmory are 2HKO'd by Crunch or Stone edge and Forretress can't recover.
 
Paranoid212 said:
On Tyranitar, you should go Earthquake/Pursuit over Fire punch, because
Bronzong and Skarmory are 2HKO'd by Crunch or Stone edge and Forretress can't recover.
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What about Magnezone? I've ran into him a few times and I'm not sure I can outspeed one before they use Magnet Rise and I EQ.
 
You 2HKO Timid 40HP Magnezone with Aqua tail.

You should also use 12Defense EVs on Metagross to survive a Banded Adamant Dugtrio's Earthquake doesn't OHKO at full health.
 
Paranoid212 said:
You 2HKO Timid 40HP Magnezone with Aqua tail.

You should also use 12Defense EVs on Metagross to survive a Banded Adamant Dugtrio's Earthquake doesn't OHKO at full health.
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Already mentioned that on my post, I sacrificed that to outspeed other Metagross. I really don't want to drop any attack power, his attack IV's are only 26 as is, 31s in Speed/SpecD/HP/Def tho lol.
 
Anyone have any ideas or moves I should swap for countering Breloom? My Flygon has Firepunch but it takes two hits to kill him and after the first hit most Breloom just put him to sleep. For Tyranitar he has the power to 1HKO a breloom but lacks the speed to hit first before also being put to sleep. The only one who can possibly 1HKO him and outspeed him is my Jolly Gyarados although usually in battle when I've encountered Breloom he's already been knocked out.

I need ideas because even when I'm in a great position there's been 3-4 games where people have busted out a Breloom and wiped like 3 of my pokes. Maybe I just need to be more conservative with bringing Gyarados out.
 
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