NemEsiS Mk. II: Another try at Heavy Offense

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Accipender

Nemesis originally meant the unseen powers of revenge of the gods that act against man. This team is built to embody that power, pure offensive might while not cowering behind walls. This team is built to disrupt and then sweep, overcoming the opponent with the wrath of the gods.

Team At a Glance:
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TEH SUICIDE LEADAPE
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ProMetHiuS (Infernape) (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 60 Atk/196 Spd/252 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Fake Out
- Fire Blast
- Close Combat
- Stealth Rock
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After much poking and prodding, I changed my Mamo lead to a Suicide Leadape...Pretty standard, Fake out for a free attack, SR because no lead is complete without it, and Fire Blast/CC makes the awesome 120 BP STAB combo. However, I was thinking of swapping CC for Mach Punch to finish off weakened leads. Suggestions?





TEH SPECIAL SPONGE
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AtlAs(Tyranitar) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP/42 Atk/216 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Crunch
- Earthquake
- DRAGON DANCE
- Stone Edge
My Special Sponge. Late game, he comes back as my prime special sponge. With over 450 SDef in SS, he is my #1 Heatran counter, taking ~8% from a Flash Fire Fire Blast, and only 25% from Earth Power. He also is a good Zapdos counter, easily sponging all attacks not named U-Turn and dishing back an OHKO with Stone Edge. And then, on the switchout, he DDs, making up for the minimal Atk EV investment, and nonexistant Spd EV investment. BIG NOTE: I outspeed NOTHING after one DD< but want to outspeed some threats...should I go to PolishTar, or add more speed Evs?





YUP, ITS SCIZOR!
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AreS (Scizor) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Def
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- Quick Attack
- Brick Break
- Swords Dance
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As the name would imply, its a typical Scizor. Come in on a NVE attack, SD up and then sweep. Bullet Punch for crazy Base 90 Attack that pwns almost everything, Quick Attack to hit what BP doesn't (Water, Fire, and Electric). Superpower or BB are there to hit steels which otherwise complicate things. The only question is which to use...





THE SPECIAL SWEEPER
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ArtEmIS (Shaymin-s) @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Seed Flare
- Air Slash
- Substitute
- Earth Power
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Yah!!! Uber!!! Oh well, until it is banned, it's fair game for my opponents, and me as well! This is a beast, sweeping the few unprepared teams in one fell swoop. Pretty standard movepool, Seed Flare and Air Slash for STAB and SDef drops and flinchax respectively. Earth Power to hit Steels and Rocks, which are often used to counter this. This, very much like Mamo, works wonders with the Sub LO combo, though I have been thinking about changing item to Leftovers for more survivability.





SCARF-REVENGE KILLER
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ZeuS (Zapdos) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 80 HP/176 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Ice] 66
- Thunderbolt
- Heat Wave
- U-turn
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My first and only Choice user is this beast. Hes my secondary mence counter, as well as my best Scizor counter. Basically, HP and TBolt form the great Bolt-Beam combo, and Heat Wave hits pretty much everything else. If things don’t look good for him, Ill U-Turn outta there to a better counter





TEH STEEL PWNER
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HepHesTas (Magnezone) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 172 HP/84 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Substitute
- Magnet Rise
- Hidden Power [Ice]
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Pretty standard Zone from the analysis has been working wonders with my steel pokemon issues. He conquers Bronzong and non-Uturn Scizor, can work against Gross, and theoretically will kill Skarmory, though I’ve never faced one. TBolt and HP ICE has the excellent Bolt-Beam combo for my attacking needs. Sub is for a buffer against whatever counter they choose, and Magnet Rise is to rid him of his awful Ground 4x Weakness.


I take NO credit for the art!!! Thanks to Pokemon Elite 2000 for the sprites in the beginning and furthermore, thanks to Arkeis for the larger portraits!
So Smogon, what do you think of my team? Good? Bad? Amazing? Gave your eyes cancer? RMT!!!


----To come later - Teamwork and Threat List
 
Scizor doesn't benefit from those speed iv's since your using 2 priotity moves. Dump those EV's into HP and then mabey you'll fiind yourself using roost more.
 
Similar to what the first person said, scizor is using priority, and those speed EVs don't really help. Sub/LO doesn't seem like a bad choice on mamo, as when I use it I often find the switch ins killable if I was faster, But scarf doesn't really work on him. Also, since you're using Zapdos as a revenge killer, maybe get rid of the HP EVs. Possibly make it Modest or mild and 252 speed, or keep it the way it is but put some of the EVs into attack so it at least does reasonable damage when U-Turning out.

Just a few ideas, team looks really good IMO.
 
that's really a personal preference, but if your really not using roost much replace it with another attack, like X-Cissor.

Also I would put stealth rock on someone else besides Ttar, it's just too powerful to pass on attacking., although since your running a sponge type it probably fine. But Ddance looks nice on it because it could dance on SPattackers. Just a few ideas.
 
Mamo I suppose could get a pass on the Sub/LO combo, because it's not weak to SR and doesn't take damage from sandstorm or hail. Skymin is a different story, SR + Sub + LO means you have very little time to attack.

Both Mamo and Skymin pretty much can't offer you anything in terms of taking a hit. You said Mamo is your answer to Skymin and Salamence, but I don't really see that happening unless it's a revenge kill. If either takes one hit then their strategies are severely crippled.

I'd say change Skymin to lefties. Mamo you can probably is, but otherwise you team has some survivabilty issues. Scizor is the only thing that can heal itself, and you already said you rarely utilize it.
 
Ive updated my team:
Mamo is now lead w/ SR over Sub
TTar is now later-game DDancer, but is still a Special Sponge
What item should I have on Skymin - Lefties or LO?
 
Accipender said:
Ive updated my team:
Mamo is now lead w/ SR over Sub
TTar is now later-game DDancer, but is still a Special Sponge
What item should I have on Skymin - Lefties or LO?
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I would say leftovers since you dont have leech seed, and gives you recovery after sub. So while you are flinching everyone you can recover some hp.
 
I would change Mamoswine entirely to a more reliable dragon switch-in. Something that can lay down Stealth Rock too, probably Swampert. Either can work good as a lead. Mamoswine was revenge killing dragons, but Zapdos fulfills that role (just don't let Salamence or Gyarados get 2 Dragon Dances, which they probably won't because your team applies a lot of pressure).
 
Accipender said:
What item should I have on Skymin - Lefties or LO?
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Well with sand, SR, LO and sub, skymin isnt going to be around long. I suggest you run the SubSeed set with leftys. Sub, Seed, Earth Power, Seed Flare w/ the spread you have now. Its a real pain in the long run and can still hurt many common switches barring Zappy and Mence. THe rest of the team handles them pretty well though so Skymin can start to stall and sweep at the end.

Also, most Scizors have enough speed invested to outspeed Zones and Brick Break them in the face. You could put a scarf on it or just switch to Timid. you would lose a lot of power, but taking out Scizors is always a plus. Its mostly up to you and your preference.
 
If you don't use Roost much, swap it out for something like Brick Break or Superpower that will cover Steel types that shrug off both of your priority moves.
 
@12blue101 and impulsive- k i will test lefties on it

@Peachfuzz- ok, who should I replace Mamo with? Ive been thinking maybe a LeadApe?

@wildfire- which would you recommend - Brick Break or Superpower?
 
With a Choice Item, Sleep Talk only works once. Just so you know :O

Brick Break lets you hit incoming Heatran for enough damage that if he tries to come in again, a Swords Danced Bullet Punch will KO. Even though Brick Break is the better option for the metagame, it allows you to hit Skarm better and to deal more damage quickly. The choice is really up to you which you prefer.
 
Okay, well first thing I noticed is that you're extremely Lucario weak. Like it's gonna run through this team after an SD, you have no pokemon that can take a hit from this guy. So I would suggest a few way to help this out, maybe switch around your Zapdos's evs, Nature, and Item to this:

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Modest - 252 Hp/176 Speed/80 Sp. Attack
Pressure
- Heatwave
- Thunderbolt
- HP Grass/Ice/Substitute/Roar
- Roost

With this spread you'll be outspeeding Adamant Lucario, and you'll be scaring them off, the EV's in HP will make you bulky, while the Speed and Sp. Attack EV's will make you an offensive threa at the same time. You can run Roar/HP Ice/Grass/Substitute in that slot depending on what you're threatened by most. For this team, I would probably run Grass since Swamperts will be staying in on Zapdos, opposed to Skymin, and it will give a decent attack so that Tyranitar doesn't trouble you so much.

Another way you could help out with your Lucario weak, is throw a Scarf on your Magneonze, and then run HP Fire, and it will also be a nice check into many pokemon. I see the lack of a really viable Gyarados counter, as well as a CM Celebi counter, seeing as many of your pokemon will be ohko'd after a CM. You have a Celebi, but that won't be able to do much unless you get extremely lucky with all the flinches. I would really consider running a CB Tar, or just throwing on X-Scissor on your Scizor. That really leaves you open to Gyarados though, so you may have to keep the Scarf...but really it's the worst of 2 evils. Being weak to Lucario, or Gyarados. I suppose you could throw in an Offensive cune in there to get a jump on both of them, that's probably your best option, but I'm not to sure what you could really afford to drop at this time. Probably Skymin, since it really doesn't look like it will help out much more than it hurts seeing as Heatran can kind of give this team some trouble.

Well this is what I noticed on the first look, I'll look over it a bit later, and edit in if I notice anything else. I hope I helped, and good luck with the team!
 
Honestly, I think Mamo is a shitty lead. He gets owned by Azelf, Infernape, Bronzong, etc. I would change him to a suicide leadape, who is probably one of the best stealth rockers out there.

Brick Break over Superpower: You are sweeping with Scizor, and the -attack or -defense is not welcome.

I could consider CBTar on your team. But then again, you probably wouldn't want to switch around too much.
 
Earth Power on Shaymin isnt that needed, since you already have a Caferul 252/216 Tyranitar to deal with Heatran... so subseed, that give you more survivability (specially with Air Slash) is a better option, IMO
 
@chenman- what set/spread would you recommend?

@Pombo, ok, I will try that

EDIT: SoT - What precise;y should I do? YOu said to change my Zapdos, but then said not to...and without Shaymin, I have no real counter for Swampert...Plz explain!
 
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