So then maybe 100 in Special Defense?
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New and "creative" moveset/EV spread thread "Mark 2"
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So then maybe 100 in Special Defense?
That still doesn't help against the other thing Metal Force pointed out... which is that no one in their right mind would keep a physical attacker in on a Forretress if they have a special option to go to.
It's not about surviving special attacks... what are you going use counter on if they simply don't attack you on the physical side?
Well, if it doesn't work, then they kinda do have to destroy it. And they have a point. Few pokemon are going to attack it physically barring something like an Infernape with Flare Blitz.
Oh, sorry if it came out like that... I wasn't trying to be hurtful. :)
Nothing wrong with creating a new set - if you do it, be prepared for criticism though.
Ok, my friend bred this for me, so I went to go check out the Ivs. I was surprised it had HP Ice Power 70, and so thats were this set came from
Spritomb@ Leftovers
Set Name: Mix Tomb
Dark Pulse
Hidden Power Ice
Shadow Sneak/ Sucker Punch
Will-O-Wisp
Evs: 252 HP/ 160 Def / 72 Spa/ 36 ATK
A kind of Bulky sweeper version of spiritomb i made. Dark Pulse for STAB, HP Ice for those pesky Dragons, Shadow Sneak/ Sucker Punch for late game wins ( although you decide which is better ). And finnaly, Will-0-Wisp to weaken physical sweepers like Metagross and others you can't hit hard with HP Ice.
Spritomb@ Leftovers
Set Name: Mix Tomb
Dark Pulse
Hidden Power Ice
Shadow Sneak/ Sucker Punch
Will-O-Wisp
Evs: 252 HP/ 160 Def / 72 Spa/ 36 ATK
A kind of Bulky sweeper version of spiritomb i made. Dark Pulse for STAB, HP Ice for those pesky Dragons, Shadow Sneak/ Sucker Punch for late game wins ( although you decide which is better ). And finnaly, Will-0-Wisp to weaken physical sweepers like Metagross and others you can't hit hard with HP Ice.
Well I guess it's to be expected from this thread as not all people will accept a new set quite as easily as some of the already used sets for a pokemon.
Another set for Honchkrow that sounds good in theory:
[SET]
name: Substitute
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Sucker Punch
move 3: Heat Wave / Drill Peck
move 4: Superpower / Heat Wave
item: Leftovers
nature: Naive
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Well okay I'm not sure about EVs and nature but my idea that I had the other day: Substitut to block something such as Thunder Wave. Next use any Attack that feels necessary. Sucker Punch works well under a Substitute so it shuld be considered for that reason. Heat Wave shuts down Steel-types. Superpower eliminates Tyranitar and Heatran switch-ins. Obviously could use some improvements (maybe use of Thunder Wave or Icy Wind?).
[SET]
name: Substitute
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Sucker Punch
move 3: Heat Wave / Drill Peck
move 4: Superpower / Heat Wave
item: Leftovers
nature: Naive
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Well okay I'm not sure about EVs and nature but my idea that I had the other day: Substitut to block something such as Thunder Wave. Next use any Attack that feels necessary. Sucker Punch works well under a Substitute so it shuld be considered for that reason. Heat Wave shuts down Steel-types. Superpower eliminates Tyranitar and Heatran switch-ins. Obviously could use some improvements (maybe use of Thunder Wave or Icy Wind?).
I don't know if this is a new concept, but it's gotten improvements:
Gardevoir @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Trace
Nature: Modest/Calm
EVs: 252 SpA, 240 Spe, 16 HP
- Psychic
- Focus Blast
- Thunder Bolt
- Trick/Will-o-Wisp/Energy Ball
This may seem like a weaker version of Alakazam, but has its uses. With a Scarf, Gardevoir outspeeds Weavile and makes a good revenge killer. It can Burn physical attackers switcing in, and makes a good DD Gyara counter. Coming in while they Dragon Dance, Intimidating them back, and OHKOing with T-Bolt. New in Platinum, Trick allows Gardevoir to cripple walls like Blissey. Energy Ball can be used for Swampert, or simply additional coverage. Focus Blast OHKO's even the bulkiest Tyranitar, and Psychic is good STAB.
Gardevoir has Trace, unlike Azelf and Alakazam aswell as superior Special Defense. With that it mind it can switch in on Heatrans, Gengars, and Flygon's and Bronzong's (watch for Gyro Ball) Earthquake too with ease. If you choose a Calm nature, you lose some power, but are garunteed to survive a non-LO Gengar's Shadow Ball. And you have a chance of surviving LO MixMence's Draco Meteor. Unfortunately, Psychic only 2HKO's it, but since it's a wallbreaker it's likely Stealth Rocks have brought it into KO range.
Worked well for me.
Gardevoir @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Trace
Nature: Modest/Calm
EVs: 252 SpA, 240 Spe, 16 HP
- Psychic
- Focus Blast
- Thunder Bolt
- Trick/Will-o-Wisp/Energy Ball
This may seem like a weaker version of Alakazam, but has its uses. With a Scarf, Gardevoir outspeeds Weavile and makes a good revenge killer. It can Burn physical attackers switcing in, and makes a good DD Gyara counter. Coming in while they Dragon Dance, Intimidating them back, and OHKOing with T-Bolt. New in Platinum, Trick allows Gardevoir to cripple walls like Blissey. Energy Ball can be used for Swampert, or simply additional coverage. Focus Blast OHKO's even the bulkiest Tyranitar, and Psychic is good STAB.
Gardevoir has Trace, unlike Azelf and Alakazam aswell as superior Special Defense. With that it mind it can switch in on Heatrans, Gengars, and Flygon's and Bronzong's (watch for Gyro Ball) Earthquake too with ease. If you choose a Calm nature, you lose some power, but are garunteed to survive a non-LO Gengar's Shadow Ball. And you have a chance of surviving LO MixMence's Draco Meteor. Unfortunately, Psychic only 2HKO's it, but since it's a wallbreaker it's likely Stealth Rocks have brought it into KO range.
Worked well for me.
@ Metanite - That's a good set, but maybe drop the speed Evs downs to 240 to outspeed Weavile. There's nothing else you can outspeed with the extra EVs, you can only tie with opposing Skymins. Put the 16EVs into HP to help take MixMence's Draco Meteor.
Or you could run Calm and 16 HP and you are just guaranteed to survive MixMence Meteor, but that does come at the cost of your attacking power.
Or you could run Calm and 16 HP and you are just guaranteed to survive MixMence Meteor, but that does come at the cost of your attacking power.
What?
Calm gives: 349 SpA, 329 SpD
Modest gives: 383 SpA, 266 SpD
... if I'm not mistaken. Gardevoir's extremely underated: 125 attack and great SpD is amazing.
Fixed my original post. Wow, those 16 EVs in HP make a difference:
LO Salamance's Draco Meteor to 16/0 Gardevoir Damage: 84.34% - 99.29%
Put a spinner on your team, and you're good!
OKay, then what would be your suggested EV spread instead of using Calm?
And just tested with Shadow Ball, so its not walled by Celebi. Not bad.
EDITed set:
Gardevoir @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Trace
Nature: Modest/Calm
EVs: 252 SpA, 240 Spe, 16 HP
- Psychic/Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Thunder Bolt
- Trick/Will-o-Wisp/Ice Wind
This may seem like a weaker version of Alakazam, but has its uses. With a Scarf, Gardevoir outspeeds Weavile and makes a good revenge killer. It can Burn physical attackers switcing in, and makes a good DD Gyara counter. Coming in while they Dragon Dance, Intimidating them back, and OHKOing with T-Bolt. New in Platinum, Trick allows Gardevoir to cripple walls like Blissey. Energy Ball can be used for Swampert, or simply additional coverage. Focus Blast OHKO's even the bulkiest Tyranitar, and Psychic is good STAB.
Gardevoir has Trace, unlike Azelf and Alakazam aswell as superior Special Defense. With that it mind it can switch in on Heatrans, Gengars, and Flygon's and Bronzong's (watch for Gyro Ball) Earthquake too with ease. If you choose a Calm nature, you lose some power, but are garunteed to survive a non-LO Gengar's Shadow Ball. And you have a chance of surviving LO MixMence's Draco Meteor, and KO back with Ice Wind.
It doesn't.
383 SAtk Focus Blast vs. max / max Careful Tyranitar: 67.33 - 79.2%.
Latias @ Soul Dew
Timid 128 hp 128 def 252 spe
Calm Mind
Recover
Ice Beam
Thunder
A sweeper set that works on the philosophy that if you have better defensive stats, you can boost more whereas with better offense and worse defense, you can't survive for as long. CM for sweeping, Recover for reliable healing (could be replaced with Wish) and BoltBeam for type coverage.
Timid 128 hp 128 def 252 spe
Calm Mind
Recover
Ice Beam
Thunder
A sweeper set that works on the philosophy that if you have better defensive stats, you can boost more whereas with better offense and worse defense, you can't survive for as long. CM for sweeping, Recover for reliable healing (could be replaced with Wish) and BoltBeam for type coverage.
Sorry about the nature, it's timid. Latias doesn't need special attack EV's as much as defense or hp because it's being boosted. Being able to take physical hits is far more important than having higher special attack and so is outspeeding everything. Why Roost>Recover on a Levitater?
Ice Beam takes out Garchomp, Rayquaza, opposing Lati's and Groudon. How is it useless? Also, what does arbitrary mean?
I guess... But how are the EV's inferior to the analysis' EV's
special wall scizor
252hp/252SpD/4speed
@leftovers
technican
Adamant
bullet punch
superpower/brick break
swords dance
roost
can take on gengar very easily,sets up on vapereon and swampert. blissey gets ohkoed after a swords dance but skarmory still walls you only doing 42.22%-49.70% to a max hp 400 defense skarmory with superpower and it will just whirlwind you away.superpower can hit heatran too. his physical defense is not too bad either but dont overesitmate it.max hp max defense gliscor only takes 21.19% - 25.14% after a swords dance from bullet punch but it cant really do anything back but earthquake or roost so you can keep setting up.and if it roosts you can hit him with superpower for double the damage of bullet punch.while a 0 attack netural earthquake from gliscor is only doing 27.91% - 32.85%. the only way it can beat you is critical hits,it has taunt,or a swords dance of its own. salamence(with a fire attack),gyarados,zapdos (with heat wave) stop this quite well but they get worn down by stealth rock too. rotom forms with w-o-w is another counter i can think of especially toaster rotom because it has overheat. doesnt do too bad vs shymin as long as it switched in on you not the other way around and you have at least a swords dance as seed flare with a special defense drop and air slash usally takes you down. seed flare does 15.99% - 18.90% from timid life orb shymin then with -2 special defense air slash is 80.52% - 94.48% a very likely ko with stealth rock down. and a normal air slash does 40.70% - 47.97% from life orb timid shymin.scizor is really a good deotys-e counter too if you have problems with him.
252hp/252SpD/4speed
@leftovers
technican
Adamant
bullet punch
superpower/brick break
swords dance
roost
can take on gengar very easily,sets up on vapereon and swampert. blissey gets ohkoed after a swords dance but skarmory still walls you only doing 42.22%-49.70% to a max hp 400 defense skarmory with superpower and it will just whirlwind you away.superpower can hit heatran too. his physical defense is not too bad either but dont overesitmate it.max hp max defense gliscor only takes 21.19% - 25.14% after a swords dance from bullet punch but it cant really do anything back but earthquake or roost so you can keep setting up.and if it roosts you can hit him with superpower for double the damage of bullet punch.while a 0 attack netural earthquake from gliscor is only doing 27.91% - 32.85%. the only way it can beat you is critical hits,it has taunt,or a swords dance of its own. salamence(with a fire attack),gyarados,zapdos (with heat wave) stop this quite well but they get worn down by stealth rock too. rotom forms with w-o-w is another counter i can think of especially toaster rotom because it has overheat. doesnt do too bad vs shymin as long as it switched in on you not the other way around and you have at least a swords dance as seed flare with a special defense drop and air slash usally takes you down. seed flare does 15.99% - 18.90% from timid life orb shymin then with -2 special defense air slash is 80.52% - 94.48% a very likely ko with stealth rock down. and a normal air slash does 40.70% - 47.97% from life orb timid shymin.scizor is really a good deotys-e counter too if you have problems with him.
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