New Idea for Snorlax Moveset

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Ok I came up with this idea for a New Snorlax moveset. It has most likely been used by someone before but ive never seen it posted anywhere. Its acctually even being said that snorlax is dead in D/P. It would be cool to have a set named after yourself you know >_>.

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Snorlax @ Choice Glasses ** StormLax
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 172 HP / 252 SAtk / 84 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk) / Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Atk) (If using a physical move)
- Ice Beam
- Fire Blast
- Shadow Ball / Thunderbolt / Hidden Power Fighting / Focus Punch / Earthquake
- Surf / Return / Earthquake / Seldestruct

Yeah your thinking this wont be that useful but it is.It uses the element of surprise(The most Dangerous thing in D/P IMO) and can do alot of damage to things that would usually switch into Snorlax,OHKOing a few. Thick Fat with 504 Hp and some special defense allows it to switch into a few special attacks.

Return and Earthquake are physical moves there to lure out your "prey". Seldestruct can take out something after it has gotten a suprise kill and you can get rid of something that is stoping for from sweeping the the rest of the match. Any of the above moves are good options over surf as Rhyperior isnt that common and you might possibly have a bulky water for that.

Calculations

Ok I had to use Netbattles Damage Calculator since I couldnt find any for D/P but it works for what this would be used on. For Rhyperior and Tyranitar with the Sandstorm boost i multiplied their Defense by 1.5. Which is IIRC was the the number it went up by for their base power? I could be wrong if so then feel free not to bother with Tyranitars and Rhyperiors in Sandstorm calculations (I have calculations for Rhyperior without Sandstorm boost also)


Skarmory
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Fire Blast on 196 HP Eved(320 HP),No SDef Skarmory: 369-434 Damage(100%)

Fire Blast on Max HP Eved(334 HP),Max SDef Eved Skarmory: 272-321 Damage(82%-96%)

Who uses Max HP and Special Defense Skarmory?

Flamethrower is an option over Fire Blast since it has a higher accuracy but it isnt Guaranteed a OHKO and your opponent will now know what to expect and can recover with roost or rest when given the chance,If given the chance.

Flamethrower on 196 HP Eved(320 HP),No SDef Skarmory: 293-344 Damage(92%-100%)


Metagross
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Fire Blast on No HP and SDef Eved Metagross(CB Gross): 302-354 Damage(100%)

Metagross has 301 HP with no HP Evs so this will always OHKO.

Fire Blast on Max HP and No SDEf Eved Metagross: 302-354 Damage(83%-97%)

Guaranteed to survive the attack is there is no Spikes or Stealth Rock in play.

Fire Blast on Max HP and Max SDef Eved Metagross: 234-275 Damage(64-76%)

Again no one uses this but just incase its a 2HKO.


Dragons
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Ice Beam OHKOs Salamence even if it has Max HP and SDef Evs: 401-471 Damage(100%)

Ice Beam on Max HP and SDef Eved Dragonite: 348-409 Damage(90%-100%)

I cant test it on Garchomp but it would most likely be close to Dragonite's since Garchomp has more HP but less SDef.

Of course all of them would die to One Ice Beam because no one uses Max SDef and Max HP on these Pokemon.


Rhyperior
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Again cant test it on this so i used Rhydon. Help would be appreciated wth the exact numbers for this.


Surf on Max HP and SDef Rhydon: 547-642 Damge(100%)

Surf on Max HP and SDef Rhydon with Surf ticked as 2x Weakness instead of 4x: 273-321 Damage(66%-78%)

This was to compliment Rhyperiors Solid Rock. It is set as 2x so with 2.66 it would do more.

Max HP and SDef Rhydon with Sandstorm SDef boost(Ticked as 4x weakness): 272-320 Damage(66%-77%)

Max HP and SDef Rhydon with Sandstorm SDEf boost(Ticked as 2x weakness): 136-160 Damage(33%-39%)

Again im not positive but from what i heard the sandstorm boost is 1.5 in SDef. These are just numbers to help you know what surf would be doing between the 2x and 4x weakness as Rhyperior would have a 2.66 weakness. It is safe to say that it would be taking over 50% in one hit if your opponent doesnt have Max HP and SDef,which is almost never as it needs its def evs. The numbers would more be accurate for the 2x weakness as Rhyperiors stats are slightly higher than Rhydons.It is guaranteed a OHKO if there is no Sandstorm and Rhyperior is the standard Max HP and Max Def(Not Special Defense) Evs.

Tyranitar
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Surf on No HP and No SDef Eved Tyranitar with Sandstorm SDef boost: 147-173 Damage(43%-51%)

Hidden Power Fighting on NO Hp and NO SDef Eved Tyrannitar with Sandstorm SDef boost: 219-257 Damage(64%-75%)

Gyarados and Gengar
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The Shadow Ball and thunderbolt would be fillers. Gengar is OHKO by Shadow Ball and Gyarados is OHKOed by Thunderbolt.


Thunderbolt
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Thunderbolt on Max HP no SDef Eved Suicune: 195-229 Damage(48%-57%)

2HKO unless it does minimum damage both times.

Thunderbolt on Max HP no SDef Eved Milotic: 181-213 Damage(46%-54%)

Depends on the minimum to maximum it could be a 2HKo to a 3HKO. Guaranteed 2HKO if there is Spikes or Stealth Rock in play.

Thunderbolt on Max HP no SDef Eved Manaphy: 219-258 Damage(54%-64%)

2HKOs. Most Manaphys are going to be special sweepers with Tail Glow and not much HP or SDef Evs so expect more damage usually.(Tested with Ice Beam on Celebi,Thunderbolt with the "2x" option still does the exact same amount of damage )

Shadow Ball
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Here I wanted to test on Dusknoir but again no calculator with D/P pokes so help with this would also be appreciated.

Shadow Ball on Max HP no SDef Eved Dusclops: 148-174 Damage(52%-61%)

Tested on a Dusclops so on Dusknoir it would possibly be a 3HKO and a 2HKO if theres Spikes or Stealth Rock in play.




Weak things(SDefense Wise) that switch in on Snorlax are OHKOed by there respective moves(EX: Fire Blast OHKOs Heracross,Ice Beam OHKOs salamence and Garchomps, Gliscors ect.) Focus Punch 2HKOs Blissey and is useful once the opponent "thinks" He or she knows the moveset.

Thunderbolt,Hidden Power Fighting or Shadow Ball is the optional fillers on this set,but i would go with Thunderbolt as it covers more. If this becomes popular Snorlax will be uch more useful and versatile because this will most likely never be the standard snorlax as there is still curse,fireblast focuspunch,STalk ect. Not knowing which set to expect and switching into the wrong one could be dangerous.

Any help at all for the calculations in the sandstorm would be appreciated.
 
This is kind of interesting actually, more so as a surprise novelty than as a standard, but usable nonetheless. While you may kill something like Skarm or Gliscor quickly, the element of suprise is kind of ruined afterwards, causing the set to lose its power. Maybe if you put Focus Punch somewhere on there for Bliss?
 
This looks suprisingly decent (Snorlax also gets Psychic and Focus Blast) BUT you might want to use the DP damage formula (either pen & paper calcs, lol, or metalkid.info). But I might save a Snorlax for this anyway just because its cool.
 
the Lexx said:
This is kind of interesting actually, more so as a surprise novelty than as a standard, but usable nonetheless. While you may kill something like Skarm or Gliscor quickly, the element of suprise is kind of ruined afterwards, causing the set to lose its power. Maybe if you put Focus Punch somewhere on there for Bliss?
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That sounds like a good idea. Blissey Walls this so maybe changing the nature to
Quiet would help and using Focus Punch in The Thunder Bolt/ Shadow Ball Slot.

Edit: Edited first post with focus punch option. Will update in about 20 Minutes with calculations on Focus Punch for Blissey and anything else that it could be effective against.
 
This set is good, but can't you only attack once before they catch on? That one hit could mean a lot, but if you predict wrong, this is just a waste of a team member.
 
It's a really good set, it looks gimmicky at first sight, but with all the calcs, it's serious shit xD. And I'm considering Sleep Talk, maybe. And it needs Wish Support, but hell it's a good set.
 
You might want Selfdestruct somewhere. Catch their physical wall on the switch and eat it alive. If it gets OHKOed the trainer will know it has Choice Specs, and will use Bliss to wall you. Blow up on it. Then immediately fly to your special attacker/pogey who would otherwise be walled by Skarmory and start sweeping
 
The set looks gimmicky but it KOs a lot. Either Selfdestruct or Focus Punch to take out Bliss but a very nice idea overall.
 
i personally wouldn't start with lax, as you don't want to give away your moveset potentially on turn one...
 
Needs calcs for Surf on Glion.I was wondering where Snorlax got all the SAtk from, then I realized you had Choice Spectacles. It looks nice, Special Snorlax is always fun. Of course, without the ability to switch attacks you are dead. This lacks the power other Choice'd Special Attackers have to hit switch-ins with.
 
For this to work, I think you'll need Return to bait them. Say you send Snorlax in on [special attacker]. Are you confident that you can predict what they will send in, and hit it with a surprise move? They might send in Rhyperior, while you Fire Blasted for Skarmory. Return would let them get comfortable sending in whatever they are going to, so next time you know to use Surf. The surprise is wasted if they see Snorlax using Surf/Ice Beam/Thunderbolt, since they'll suspect more special attacks (not so much with Fire Blast).
 
For this to work, I think you'll need Return to bait them. Say you send Snorlax in on [special attacker]. Are you confident that you can predict what they will send in, and hit it with a surprise move? They might send in Rhyperior, while you Fire Blasted for Skarmory. Return would let them get comfortable sending in whatever they are going to, so next time you know to use Surf. The surprise is wasted if they see Snorlax using Surf/Ice Beam/Thunderbolt, since they'll suspect more special attacks (not so much with Fire Blast).
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For me, I'd just send in Lax and switch right off, therefore not wasting a moveslot and you might catch their Lax counter on the switch
 
tenchi17 said:
For this to work, I think you'll need Return to bait them. Say you send Snorlax in on [special attacker]. Are you confident that you can predict what they will send in, and hit it with a surprise move? They might send in Rhyperior, while you Fire Blasted for Skarmory. Return would let them get comfortable sending in whatever they are going to, so next time you know to use Surf. The surprise is wasted if they see Snorlax using Surf/Ice Beam/Thunderbolt, since they'll suspect more special attacks (not so much with Fire Blast).
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Yes i was thinking of something like return or eathquake to lure things in. Roy yeah i wouldnt start with lax. Scrap brain its 6vs6 not 6vs1 so im sure you could use your head. Its not like after one attack its going to die. Wish support from say U-Turn Jirachi would help it i guess. Selfdestruct sounds nice but it looks like it needs a physical move more unless you would want to take the chance and use it over surf. Which would be cool if your opponent doesnt have Rhyperior. Ok i said i was going to edit in 20 min but give it 15 more.

I just washed the car and now im going to shower so update when done. Hyra theres no need for calculations for surf on Glisor as it has a 4x weakness to ice beam. I had totally forgot about Gliscor so ill also update that.
 
I can't even put into words how much I loathe people who try to name sets after themselves but ANYWAY



I am definitely with tenchi on the point that you need Return(although I think I would probably use Body Slam for the par since you're going to be doing really neglible damage) or some other physical move to fake being a physical build. Self-destruct would be nice too although I think trying to fit both of them in would hurt your coverage a bit too much so I would probably only do one or the other - something like Body Slam/Surf/Ice beam/Thunderbolt probably, I guess.

It's pretty neat novelty, it's gimmicky enough that I would be hesitant to use it but I can definitely see it killing a fair share of pokemon before it is figured out.
 
Roy said:
also, have you run numbers on hyper beam yet?
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At first i wasnt sure on using that move at all but i guess it could work with wish support. If its anything high against any threats it could see some use. Ill do calculations on that in a while and also on Gliscor for surf just incase you feel like surf but dont know if Rhyperior or Gliscor is coming out.

Edited some minor stuff. Added the option of Seldestruct,return,and earthquake. Made note that ice beam OHKOs Gliscor as i forgot about it before. I also might as well drop Hidden Power Fighting as an option as focus Punch gets rid of Tyranitar.

Please no more posts about "But Teh Lax can only attack once and then its teh phail"

Example: Obviously after say thunderbolting a suicune that switches in,it is going to switch out as it can recover the hit later. So your not going to stay in. Your going to to switch in something that can counter their counter. The same as Choice Anything. Hit and Run

Edit: Hyper Beam doesnt do much to anything Defensive that is above except that it does over 60% to all 3 of the water types,suicune,milotic,and manphy.Which is useless thanks to being imobile for one turn, they carring recovery moves. Most things that switch in on Snorlax has a normal resist anyway.
 
Personally I think that Lickilicky does a CSpecs set better, it has better SAtk and better physical defense to switch in more easily.

Lickilicky @ CSpecs
Nature: Quiet (+SAtk -Spd)
EVs: 84 HP / 172 Atk / 252 SAtk
Trait: Own Tempo
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Surf / Flamethrower
-Explosion

A bit like CSpecs Starmie, except its slower, bulkier, and has the strongest STAB attack in the entire game. If you really want to put the fear into somebody BP this +2 attack, Explosion OHKOs so much its ridiculous.
 
It looks really interesting imo. I applaud you for the originality, and hope something like this actually becomes viable in d/p. Just to note, it has a lot of coverage with it's attacks, unlike d/p curselax, who only has room for two attacking moves.

I think the main thing with this snorlax is to make the opponent think that it is one of the standard sets, and then get a free kill when he thinks he's comforatable with it. Therefore return imo should be used over surf and selfdestruct. Also, I dont like eq for this set because a snorlax without any attack ev's needs stab badly to do any sort of initial damage. Otherwise, your opponent can potentially figure out the trick when he realizes that eq is only doing ~25% to metagross.
 
I noticed the OP said they couldn't do calcs for new Pokemon without a new damage calculator. Do people not realize that a damage calculator just uses numbers? You don't need a calculator with the Pokemon "built in", just plug in the special defense. Hell, you could do it by hand since the formula is on these boards.
 
I think that this is an extremely viable set that could see some use in D/P. As was said above, Selfdestruct or a physical move for bait is almost a must. Dugtrio support could help to take down their special wall when it's been weakened.

The thing that I really like about it is that it's Snorlax, he can not only hurt alot of the standards but also take the special hits to an extent.
 
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