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New OU List (January 2010)
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If he dominates UU he would go to BL, the only way he's going back to OU is if his usage in OU increases.
As for 'Zam being broken in UU lol. Someone that fragile has a lot of trouble with so much priority being thrown around.
Wow, Cresselia is going to wall the UU game to eternity and back.
How does Porygon-Z stack up against Chansey/Grumpig?
How does Porygon-Z stack up against Chansey/Grumpig?
You can't really judge their impact before they have an impact. THAT is just plain moronic.
Also, Alakazam broken? He dies to anything and everything with Pursuit/physical priority. There's a reason he wasn't in the suspect testing...
on teams lacking in priority, agil porygon-Z is gonna rip through UU
Oh boy, Cress and P-Z...superwall and supersweeper...let's see how this shapes up :P UU will be fun.
The name of the teirs kinda shows that we ban on useage:
OU = Overused
UU = Underused
NU= Neverused.
Ubers is for pokemon that are overpowered [Uber] for the standard metagame. Borderline is like UU's Ubers.
Dusknoir is still around... just about, due to being a spin blocker, and having a few moves Rotom dosen't, such as the Elemental punches. Dusknoir is also physical when attacking, not special. That might be important.
As for the guy who said 'Vire. 'Vire's in the mid/low 30's usually. 'Vire is not a weak pokemon, especially with all the T-Bolts running around to stop Gyarados. I mean, Starmie is easily walled, but is a great end-game cleaner, due to it's coverage. 'Vire has the same story... except it can hit on both sides, and has a wider movepool, while Starmie has the advantages of being initially faster, stronger on the Special Side, and having limited support.
I mean, aside from 'Vire, how many OU pokemon is it worthwhile to run Expert Belt on?
Well I mean Chansey is the #2 best special wall in the game, and is in UU. Maybe more Adaptability LO Mix-PoryZ sets? I've ran it in OU before, it seems like it could do damage in UU. As for Cress, I'm a bit more worried. Gogo CB Pinsir!!!
Tyranitar is one, Azelf is another, but there aren't that many.
Overall, the idea of Cress in UU doesn't really impress. It's defensive stats are impressive, but considering UU's already got pokemon like Registeel and Chansey, Cress's defensiveness statwise hardly seems overwhelming. Not to mention Uxie has been in UU since the get go, so strategically speaking it's not bringing a whole lot of functional diversification to the meta..
Beyond just stats, the biggest problem cress had in OU to begin with was that it just doesn't really do anything. It can thunderwave, but there are tons of pokemon in every tier that can do the same. It can set up screens, but it's not even the most efficient at that, Uxie getting better speed, Momento or U-Turn, not to mention Stealth Rock. Even Alakazam seems a more interesting screener with Taunt and it's awesome speed.
The only reason you'd even use Cress in OU is because of Salamence. It's typing isn't weak to ground, fire or dragon and its defensive stats are just enough to handle Salamence on both sides, being fairly balanced. Obviously, Salamence's presence alone did not justify Cress being OU (especially when Cress is raped by Mence's buddies Ttar and Scizor). I wonder if Cress will be like P-2 in UU-- without Gyarados around, P-2 just doesn't seem that impressive, and I think Cress might find itself in the same situation in a tier with no Salamence.
On the plus side, it does get moon light in a tier with no ttar. :O And with no Scizor (or Honchkrow now), Cress will be a tough cookie to crack. Only problem being-- even if it's super hard to kill, again it can't really do anything threatening to even most UU pokes. :/ You might as well spend the day watching two metapods fight.
And again with Registeel and Chansey around, P-Z might find itself in a rather similar situation to where it was in OU. :P
Beyond just stats, the biggest problem cress had in OU to begin with was that it just doesn't really do anything. It can thunderwave, but there are tons of pokemon in every tier that can do the same. It can set up screens, but it's not even the most efficient at that, Uxie getting better speed, Momento or U-Turn, not to mention Stealth Rock. Even Alakazam seems a more interesting screener with Taunt and it's awesome speed.
The only reason you'd even use Cress in OU is because of Salamence. It's typing isn't weak to ground, fire or dragon and its defensive stats are just enough to handle Salamence on both sides, being fairly balanced. Obviously, Salamence's presence alone did not justify Cress being OU (especially when Cress is raped by Mence's buddies Ttar and Scizor). I wonder if Cress will be like P-2 in UU-- without Gyarados around, P-2 just doesn't seem that impressive, and I think Cress might find itself in the same situation in a tier with no Salamence.
On the plus side, it does get moon light in a tier with no ttar. :O And with no Scizor (or Honchkrow now), Cress will be a tough cookie to crack. Only problem being-- even if it's super hard to kill, again it can't really do anything threatening to even most UU pokes. :/ You might as well spend the day watching two metapods fight.
And again with Registeel and Chansey around, P-Z might find itself in a rather similar situation to where it was in OU. :P
It's like sending an atom bomb (Specs Porygon-Z) and a Shelter (Cresselia) into Under-Used at the same time. Things will get interesting. I doubt either will stay there long.
I'm inclined to argue that stability is not the point of UU since it is largely dependent on the usage in the OU tier.
Depends on the set, really. It has a much easier time with Grumpig than Chansey since Grumpig doesn't have the stats or recovery Chansey does to sponge attacks. Same goes for Hypno.
Both are easily 2hkoed by a np LO tri attack. Chansey is 2hkod by download boosted, modest specs tri attack too.
Chansey usage has been at an all-time low last month though (although it's still quite common), as UU has been so physically orientated.
I can really figure out whether Porygon-Z and Cresselia dropping will help Chansey's (and the other special walls which nobody uses such as Regice, Hypno, etc.) usage because I think a lot of the Chansey users may just opt for Cresselia now.
I can really figure out whether Porygon-Z and Cresselia dropping will help Chansey's (and the other special walls which nobody uses such as Regice, Hypno, etc.) usage because I think a lot of the Chansey users may just opt for Cresselia now.
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