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So X and Y come out in less than 2 weeks and I think it's time to post my favorite and most creative offensive sun team. I built this team with a friend after I tried Venusaur in ubers (which was a complete failure) and decided to build something around Trick Room Dialga and Victini offensive core, I thought it would destroy teams of any kind since as you all know V-Create in the sun is a nightmare and also, Victini has a really nice movepool so it was really easy to fit it on a team. I used this in a couple of Ubers Open matches as well as Unova Region challenge. Before you rate it according to the team structure let me explain you each poke individually.
Tony (Groudon) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Drought
EVs: 240 HP / 164 Def / 104 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Stealth Rock
- Roar
I wanted sun with Victini so I decided to add Groudon. I chose to use Physically Defensive Groudon over the standard offensive set that everyone is using since I thought it would support the team better, which it does. This set is self explanatory but I'll explain it anyways, 104 Speed EV's are to outspeed most of Ho-Oh's and Giratina-O's variants. Stone Edge is for killing Ho-Oh, normally what I do is, switch in on Sacred Fire (I don't care about burns since I have the Lum Berry) and then outspeed them with a fast Stone Edge. Lum Berry is also useful against lead Darkrai since they always Dark Void as I break their Focus Sash. Roar is for phazing Extremekiller Arceus and Earthquake is standard STAB move.
Tony (Palkia) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Spacial Rend
- Sleep Talk
- Fire Blast
- Hydro Pump
This is probably the weirdest set you'll see on the team. I needed a Kyogre switching really badly but running another Scarf user would take a spot on the team and would be kind of incomplete so I decided to run Choice Scarf Palkia. I'm not a big fan of Scarf Palkia but I needed to use it to check certan pokemon like Dragon Dance Rayquaza and Kyurem (which are really big threats to my team). Sleep Talk takes away a moveslot but It was the only answer I could find just so I can keep Arceus-Dark and not using other scarf user since late game Darkrai screws me over if I don't have Sleep Talk. Hydro Pump is to destroy opposing rain teams, Sapcial Rend and Fire Blast are just standard coverage moves.
Tony (Victini) @ Flame Plate
Trait: Victory Star
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Def
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Trick Room
- V-create
- Bolt Strike
- U-turn
This the main pokemon on the team, Trick Room Victini. We've seen how good Victini is in the lower tiers and how much potential it has when running it on a Sun Team. It's amazing how easy is for Victini to set up Trick Room since it has a lot of bulk for being a sweeper (as many pokemon in ubers do lol) and not only that, the Psychic type really helps it a lot since it can easily set up Trick Room on Mewtwo or a -2 Lati@s or any dragon really. Alongside Dialga, this pokemon is really scary, I'll provide the calcs after I'm done explaining this mon. V-Create is the standard stab move, Victini doesn't really mind the drops since its companion Dialga destroys what Victini can't. Bolt Strike destroys the Pokemon that resist V-Create baring Palkia and Rayquaza. And U-turn is for using it when my opponent has something that would completely wall Victini, like Physically Defensive Giratina (Dialga takes care of it with Draco Meteor). I also use Flame Plate over Life Orb because I don't want it to die so quickly.
Calcs:
So X and Y come out in less than 2 weeks and I think it's time to post my favorite and most creative offensive sun team. I built this team with a friend after I tried Venusaur in ubers (which was a complete failure) and decided to build something around Trick Room Dialga and Victini offensive core, I thought it would destroy teams of any kind since as you all know V-Create in the sun is a nightmare and also, Victini has a really nice movepool so it was really easy to fit it on a team. I used this in a couple of Ubers Open matches as well as Unova Region challenge. Before you rate it according to the team structure let me explain you each poke individually.
Tony (Groudon) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Drought
EVs: 240 HP / 164 Def / 104 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Stealth Rock
- Roar
I wanted sun with Victini so I decided to add Groudon. I chose to use Physically Defensive Groudon over the standard offensive set that everyone is using since I thought it would support the team better, which it does. This set is self explanatory but I'll explain it anyways, 104 Speed EV's are to outspeed most of Ho-Oh's and Giratina-O's variants. Stone Edge is for killing Ho-Oh, normally what I do is, switch in on Sacred Fire (I don't care about burns since I have the Lum Berry) and then outspeed them with a fast Stone Edge. Lum Berry is also useful against lead Darkrai since they always Dark Void as I break their Focus Sash. Roar is for phazing Extremekiller Arceus and Earthquake is standard STAB move.
Tony (Palkia) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Spacial Rend
- Sleep Talk
- Fire Blast
- Hydro Pump
This is probably the weirdest set you'll see on the team. I needed a Kyogre switching really badly but running another Scarf user would take a spot on the team and would be kind of incomplete so I decided to run Choice Scarf Palkia. I'm not a big fan of Scarf Palkia but I needed to use it to check certan pokemon like Dragon Dance Rayquaza and Kyurem (which are really big threats to my team). Sleep Talk takes away a moveslot but It was the only answer I could find just so I can keep Arceus-Dark and not using other scarf user since late game Darkrai screws me over if I don't have Sleep Talk. Hydro Pump is to destroy opposing rain teams, Sapcial Rend and Fire Blast are just standard coverage moves.
Tony (Victini) @ Flame Plate
Trait: Victory Star
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Def
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Trick Room
- V-create
- Bolt Strike
- U-turn
This the main pokemon on the team, Trick Room Victini. We've seen how good Victini is in the lower tiers and how much potential it has when running it on a Sun Team. It's amazing how easy is for Victini to set up Trick Room since it has a lot of bulk for being a sweeper (as many pokemon in ubers do lol) and not only that, the Psychic type really helps it a lot since it can easily set up Trick Room on Mewtwo or a -2 Lati@s or any dragon really. Alongside Dialga, this pokemon is really scary, I'll provide the calcs after I'm done explaining this mon. V-Create is the standard stab move, Victini doesn't really mind the drops since its companion Dialga destroys what Victini can't. Bolt Strike destroys the Pokemon that resist V-Create baring Palkia and Rayquaza. And U-turn is for using it when my opponent has something that would completely wall Victini, like Physically Defensive Giratina (Dialga takes care of it with Draco Meteor). I also use Flame Plate over Life Orb because I don't want it to die so quickly.
Calcs:
252 Atk Flame Plate Victini (+Atk) V-create vs 252 HP/0 Def Ho-oh: 63.22% - 74.52% 2 hits to KO (with Leftovers)(Dies after SR)
252 Atk Flame Plate Victini (+Atk) V-create vs 252 HP/252 Def Groudon (+Def) : 67.82% - 80.2% 2 hits to KO (with Leftovers)
252 Atk Flame Plate Victini (+Atk) V-create vs 0 HP/0 Def Groudon: 105.87% - 124.93% Guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Flame Plate Victini (+Atk) V-create vs 252 HP/252 Def Lugia (+Def) : 69.47% - 82.21% 2 hits to KO (with Leftovers)(has a big chance to die after SR)
252 Atk Flame Plate Victini (+Atk) V-create vs 0 HP/0 Def Giratina-O (+Def) : 49.66% - 58.5% 2-3 hits to KO}
252 Atk Flame Plate Victini (+Atk) V-create vs 252 HP/0 Def Arceus-Ghost: 92.79% - 109.46% 56.25% chance to OHKO (Dies after SR)
252 Atk Flame Plate Victini (+Atk) V-create vs 0 HP/0 Def Arceus-Ghost: 108.14% - 127.56%
252 Atk Victini (+Atk) Bolt Strike vs 0 HP/0 Def Kyogre: 82.7% - 97.95% 2 hits to KO (Cannot switch in on V-create + Bolt Strike)
252 Atk Victini (+Atk) Bolt Strike vs 252 HP/0 Def Ho-oh: 67.79% - 80.29% 2 hits to KO (with Leftovers)
252 Atk Flame Plate Victini (+Atk) V-create vs 252 HP/252 Def Groudon (+Def) : 67.82% - 80.2% 2 hits to KO (with Leftovers)
252 Atk Flame Plate Victini (+Atk) V-create vs 0 HP/0 Def Groudon: 105.87% - 124.93% Guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Flame Plate Victini (+Atk) V-create vs 252 HP/252 Def Lugia (+Def) : 69.47% - 82.21% 2 hits to KO (with Leftovers)(has a big chance to die after SR)
252 Atk Flame Plate Victini (+Atk) V-create vs 0 HP/0 Def Giratina-O (+Def) : 49.66% - 58.5% 2-3 hits to KO}
252 Atk Flame Plate Victini (+Atk) V-create vs 252 HP/0 Def Arceus-Ghost: 92.79% - 109.46% 56.25% chance to OHKO (Dies after SR)
252 Atk Flame Plate Victini (+Atk) V-create vs 0 HP/0 Def Arceus-Ghost: 108.14% - 127.56%
252 Atk Victini (+Atk) Bolt Strike vs 0 HP/0 Def Kyogre: 82.7% - 97.95% 2 hits to KO (Cannot switch in on V-create + Bolt Strike)
252 Atk Victini (+Atk) Bolt Strike vs 252 HP/0 Def Ho-oh: 67.79% - 80.29% 2 hits to KO (with Leftovers)
Tony (Dialga) @ Life Orb
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast
- Outrage
- Trick Room
Trick Room Dialga is one of my favorite sweepers and thought it would be nice to use it with Victini. Those two are an amazing combo, They destroy each other's checks and counters. The surprise factor is one of the things that this team takes advantage of as no one really expects Trick Room Dialga or Victini. This set is really standard, Draco Meteor just nukes everything that comes in, Fire Blast gets some KOs as well and Outrage, Outrage is debatable weather I should use it or not (or simply replace it with Dragon Pulse) because when at -2 after you use Draco Meteor your opponent brings Ho-Oh (which gets OHKO'd after SR) or the bulky Arceus form but I don't like it that much because you have to either play with confusion or switch out which helps can end up helping your opponent more (if you are facing a bulky Arceus-Ghost for example). Trick Room Dialga is one of the best late game sweepers in general (in my opinion).
Sour (Giratina-O) @ Griseous Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 208 Atk / 252 Def / 48 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Tail
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Magic Coat
- Shadow Sneak
Another weird ass set. Standard phsyical wall / attacker set, You may think running Hidden Power Fire on Physically defensive Giratina is completely retarded but the only purpse it has is to deal with Custap Berry Forretress and play around it with Magic Coat and Hidden Power Fire. Giratina is also my second Extremekiller Arceus switch in and also can take care of Kabutops and Excadrill at some extent. The other moves are very standard, Dragon Tail to phaze in general and break stall, Shadow Sneak is a very nice priority move for doing a lot of damage to Lati@s and Mewtwo. Had Ghosteus over this before but the team was losing to weather sweepers a lot so decided to change it and it worked just fine.
Tony (Arceus-Dark) @ Dread Plate
Trait: Multitype
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Refresh
- Judgment
- Recover
I used Forretress and Ghoteus before and it didn't work too well so I tried Darkceus and Giratina-O and it worked pretty well. Basically Arceus-Dark's goal is to eliminate the Pokemon that Victini or Dialga can't set up Trick Room on (Arceus-Ghost,Giratina/Origin, Lugia). It also helps a lot when I'm facing a well built stall team since almost every stall team has trouble dealing with a last pokemon Arceus-Dark. Arceus-Dark also provides an Arceus-Ghost check when I win the needed speed ties. Amazing pokemon on this team overall. Standard Calm Mind set, Judgment is probably the strongest Dark-type move in the game, Recover for obvious purposes and Refresh over Substitute since it's going to be coming on Lugia/Giratina a lot and Toxic/Will-o-Wisp/Thunder Wave would annoy this pokemon a lot and the team doesn't care about Ferrothorn at all so it's fine without sub lol.
Threats:
These Arceus forms can be really annoying sometimes, especially Rock Arceus. The other 2 I need to set up Trick Room for a better chance of winning.
If Mixed it gets 1 or 2 kills.
If I lose Palkia GG.
Conclusion:
This team is really good and fun to use it packs a lot of surprises for your opponent and it wins battles really battle, I consider 20+ turns a long battle for this team honestly. It does well on both ladder and tournaments. If you find it hard to use it's ok, it usually is kinda hard to use against sand when used by a good player.
Shoutouts:
IDM (Hugo,Steve,bitch ass CTC, pk,new breed, cased, shake and everyone I forgot)
Solrocks
SOTI
Problems: For giving me the idea of putting victini on a team and always funny watching him complain lolo.
Tony: For helping me make the team more solid.
Sour: :[l]
Joey: Fwend :]
Blimlax: One of the best players left.
Dice: Great teambuilder and gr8 friend.
-Manaphy--: Really cool dude and skilled player as well.
PWN: How did u get to round 5 of the ubers open without ghosting?
chimpact: he's cool
others: Melee Mewtwo, Furai, shrang, Sweep.
Importable:
Groudon @ Lum Berry
Trait: Drought
EVs: 240 HP / 164 Def / 104 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Stealth Rock
- Roar
Palkia @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Spacial Rend
- Sleep Talk
- Fire Blast
- Hydro Pump
Victini @ Flame Plate
Trait: Victory Star
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Def
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Trick Room
- V-create
- Bolt Strike
- U-turn
Dialga @ Life Orb
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast
- Outrage
- Trick Room
Giratina (Giratina-O) @ Griseous Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 208 Atk / 252 Def / 48 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Tail
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Magic Coat
- Shadow Sneak
Arceus (Arceus-Dark) @ Dread Plate
Trait: Multitype
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Refresh
- Judgment
- Recover
Trait: Drought
EVs: 240 HP / 164 Def / 104 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Stealth Rock
- Roar
Palkia @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Spacial Rend
- Sleep Talk
- Fire Blast
- Hydro Pump
Victini @ Flame Plate
Trait: Victory Star
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Def
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Trick Room
- V-create
- Bolt Strike
- U-turn
Dialga @ Life Orb
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast
- Outrage
- Trick Room
Giratina (Giratina-O) @ Griseous Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 208 Atk / 252 Def / 48 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Tail
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Magic Coat
- Shadow Sneak
Arceus (Arceus-Dark) @ Dread Plate
Trait: Multitype
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Refresh
- Judgment
- Recover
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