Haven't posted because I hadn't finished my analysis of US. This because because of school, chess, homework and social life, I had only one hour yesterday evening to read through the thread. While an hour may seem like a lot to you experienced users, I'm not as rapid as you are, especially not at the end of the day.
I guess I'll have to sub out as my Thursdays and Fridays give me next to no time at all to play mafia. When signing up I hoped I would still manage. Evidently, that's not the case. Sorry for the inconvenience.
I managed to get to post #220, and these are my notes up until that post:
US:
-says that billy's likely to be mafia due to very weak reasoning.
There was nothing else to go on at that point and it sparked discussion.
-thinks that the announcer is an idiot, whom should've told us who he/she is.
I DID think that originally, and thought so for a while until the discussion got going. I explained all of this eons ago.
-suspects B_T(jumpy, eager to defend billy), billy(same weak "has been town in all other games"), kok(defensive), Stevensnype[now Snike](played newbie)
I long ago dropped my suspicion of bt because I thought it unlikely a mafia would go head to head with me in such a vocal fashion so early. kingofkongs seems to be contributing now and Snike still seems suspicious to me because of how he has fallen off the face of the planet since his name was dropped from lynch discussion.
-Advocates that everyone should post opinions of everyone.
He motivates this by saying that it will aid us late-game.
But this'll aid the mafia early-game, and there's the chance that we'll have enough info late-game anyhow... I'm against mass-opinion posting. Only post relevant stuff and suspicions. Mass-opinion rarely generates discussion, of my experience.
Are you serious? First of all, what experience is that? Second of all, how the fuck is posting a LOT of opinions not going to stir discussion? Also, how does it "aid the mafia early-game"?
-Says that he believes the announces to be aligned with village, but still admits that it's possible that the announcer's mafia.
-Adresses Yeti's accusation of him leading the village every game he play.
-Stresses that the behaviour he's adopting is in line with his usual village behaviour.
Does this show that he's conscious about his behaviour, and does everything he can do to not appear as scum? Uh dude you are really clutching at straws here. Yeti asked me about my behavior and I defended it. If you really find the act of defending and "doing everything he can do to not appear as scum" to be scummy then I don't know what to say. Maybe you think villagers SHOULDN'T do everything they can do to not appear as scum?
-Continues to push Steven[Snike]
-Asks people to provide reasoning behind any votes.
Justifiable if he's town, justifiable if he's mafia. What? It only hurts the mafia to provide reasoning behind votes.
-Clarifies this in his next post, saying that he doesn't want people to say "hey man idk I was just following UncleSam" when he asks them to defend their votes later.
Is this him trying to assure that he won't be held responsible for any wagons while wanting to seem like town? Or is this a villager trying to force his fellow comrades to think for themselves? Take your pick, I don't know which one. Are you serious. How is forcing people to justify votes anything other than forcing people to think for themselves and be accountable for their actions? I'll be held responsible for the wagon either way dumbass.
-Accuses Brammi for bw-ing, even though brammi provided "a slight amount of reasoning" behind his vote.
-Again tells us how pro-town he is, trying to stir discussion.
-Attacks Yeti for buddying Ditto.
-Remains suspicious of Snype-Snike after the subbing
-Attacks B_T for defending billy.
-Reiterates that he's "driving discussion", saying that it's "obvious to everyone who is thinking."
-Fobs off B_T who is saying that sam's trying to "crown himself as obvtown".
Sam provides no real defense, only says that B_T tries to sling mud at him. Is the lack of a defense due to him not having any? Honestly, I'd like to revive this, why are you stressing that everything you do is town-ish? If you were town, I cannot say that there were any need to say so, as we should have noticed it anyhow if you really were pro-town. I provided so much of a defense that people told me to tone it down with the tl;dring. Go back and read my posts. As for why i am town-ish, what the fuck else do you call promoting discussion? And why is there no need to say so when people are accusing me of being mafia? Once again you are presuming that the act of defending myself is analogous to acting like a mafia?
-Say's that he's the only one acting in town's benefit.
This is what I'd imagine that a villager who feel attacked 24/7 would say. I expected you to be a tad bit more level-headed Sam, if that's the case. But ofc, I don't know how your mind works. No it's also something a villager would say if it is A. True and B. Meant to spur other villagers into contributing as well. Also I didn't say I was the only one acting in the town's benefit, I said I was the one driving the most discussion, which helps the town the most.
-Says that he believes that B_T's town because he believes that mafia aren't as tenacious as B_T was.
-Tells us to post opinions on everyone else, again.
-At the same times, tells us that anyone not doing so hurts town.
-Says that both billy and zorbees is suspicious, but votes Rediamond because he's inactive?
-Claims that scum doesn't have to give opinions on their teammates half of the time through forcing them to post scum reads.
Honestly, one can read both what's said, and what's not being said. I can see no difference whatsoever between posting who you think are town, and not posting who you think are town. Just that the latter is a tad bit more vague, meaning the mafia cannot be as certain of if you trust USER or not. Of course, us village cannot either, but we're more interested in finding who people believe are scum than finding who people think of as village. No you can only read what is said lol. Not forcing mafia partners to give opinions on each other is the easiest way to let them slip under the radar. Giving opinions on who is town helps because if you die at night and are revealed as a townie it becomes easier to trust the people you trusted, and if you are lynched/nightkilled as a non-town it becomes easier to suspect those you trusted.
-Responds to Quag who says that Sam's more aggressive than usual. Sam's response is saying that it's impossible to be more aggressive than him, i.e. stating how pro-town he is.
I'm a bit worried about Sam's refusal to answer why he's unusually agressive. I DID answer this. Go back and read my posts. Seriously, I am getting tired of saying this and pointing out how you just totally skip over posts/points I make with absolutely no regard.
-Says that while he didn't care if we'd lose the announcer in the beginning, he says it's not necessary, saying that he don't want anyone to claim.
-Against Brammi's proposal of getting someone to L-1/L-2.
-Suspicious of Leethoof claiming to be persuaded.
-Against mayor claiming.
-Says that the day shouldn't take a week and a half, and that there's nothing wrong with voting for lurkers.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't lurker-targeting a good way to say nothing while giving the impression of doing something? And I'm not against the day taking a week and a half, as long as it's a discussion going on all the time. Hey guess what I wasn't even lurker-targeting until zorbees brought it up that I wasn't, then I was only doing it because I had gotten about as much input out of the active users as I could and figured that the discussion would only progress if I forced the non-contributors to post. Sorry for calling you out and forcing you to contribute/establish relations with other users, I understand how you wouldn't want to help the town like that.
-Says that Leethoof seems like a good lynch target.
Honestly, why lynch someone who hasn't got a lot of ties to other people itt? Lynching Leethoof would probably leave us with no, or next to no info at all to work with tomorrow. And the sooner we get enough info to elliminate the mafia, the better it is. I said Leethoof would be a good target because the persuasion thing is sketchy, his opinions on various people (most especially me) have flip-flopped continually, along with a bunch of other shit. Seriously, there are like six people giving reasons for this, go back and just read like two posts dude because I'm tired of just repeating shit I've already said.
-Also says that billy and Snike are good lynch targets, but he still wants to vote inactives to have them talk.
-Attacks Quagsires. Fundamentally, US's reasoning seems to have been that Quag attacked him??
There must be something I'm missing here? There's next to no logic at all behind this attack. The only thing I regard as a possibility to be a motivation from Sam is that I find is that he believes that Quag's reasons for attacking him weren't sound? I didn't say Quagsires attacked me because he never did. He never voted for me. He never said I was particularly suspicious. I really have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. I called him out because he is an active member who hasn't contributed squat and STILL hasn't posted any semblence of a defense AND attacked Paperblade for really weird reasons. Since then, multiple people (including Staraptor Call, jalmont, Ditto, and now most obviously you) have tried to direct attention away from him. The dude has six votes on him for a reason, I suggest you go back and read what those reasons are.
-Attacks billy and Ditto, against an LS-lynch.
