Was banning specific screens *setters* an option?
Or are screens just good regardless of who sets them?
Or are screens just good regardless of who sets them?
Unfortunately this option would not solve the problem. even if you ban both Ninetales-alola and Grimmsnarl, other screens setters like azelf, klefki, xatu, and jirachi could likely just take their place and still accomplish the role to a solid degree. Personally a light clay ban is the way to go, there are too many setters and abusers to tackle that it would overall be best to ban light clay, nerfing the playstyle considerably but still keeping it viableWas banning specific screens *setters* an option?
Or are screens just good regardless of who sets them?
I'm sure they COULD, but last I heard there was probably going to be a Policy Review topic on it since it was a more complicated issue. Not sure on the timeline of that though.Is the UU Council allowed to ban Light Clay? Or Light Screen and Reflect? Or is this a complex ban that falls under the purview of Policy Review?
They forgot to put it on the survey as an option, but it wouldn't be a popular one anyways. It is possible though to do this if they think that it is the correct route to take.Was banning specific screens *setters* an option?
Or are screens just good regardless of who sets them?
I wanted to expand a bit on the Drought versus Torkoal/Ninetales question.
A few people have been asking what changed since last gen, where we banned Drought rather than banning any individual setters. The basic answer is that prior to gen 8, we tightened up tiering standards a bit, including clarifying what power tiering councils/TLs have and better defining what constitutes a complex ban.
The TL;DR version is that while tiering councils still have the power to look at individual pokemon that are unhealthy, anything more complex, including banning an ability, would require a broader policy discussion. Such bans should have higher standards than a typical test, and we’d need to demonstrate that a simple pokemon ban wouldn’t resolve the issue on its own. Because of this, it’s certainly not a short term solution.
So in this case, to ban Drought, we’d need to demonstrate that it is broken independent of what pokemon you put it on. Juuno and Lilburr and TheTraininator have brought up that Vulpix could feasibly slot into most sun teams over Ninetales/Torkoal and still farm wins, and they may be right, but I think it’s something that we’d have to explore more if we wanted to go that route. While you can theoretically just lead with it, get sun up and sack it later for 14 turns of sun, it lacks both the offensive potential and the utility of the other two sun setters, making it an otherwise dead slot that is much easier to play around.
What I’m proposing is that we address the sun issue in the short term by holding a council vote on Ninetales and Torkoal, and use this time to look at whether sun is still a problem with the two primary setters banned. We can open up a policy discussion at the same time to talk about Drought instead, and with Ninetales and Torkoal possibly gone, that will give us a good testing ground for the viability of Vulpix sun teams. If we end up subsequently banning Drought, we would unban Torkoal and Ninetales accordingly.
It seems like the council is overall in agreement with going this direction, so we were planning on holding a vote at the end of the week if there were no significant issues. That said, before we did, I wanted to see some community discussion on the issue and figure out if people preferred we go in a different direction.
Yes, but not without a policy discussion of some sort. We'd need to talk to RU, NU and PU about it first and then take it to PR to ensure we discuss other options and make sure banning Light Clay (or whatever else) is the right course of action. We're talking about what to do about it a lot rn and it's looking like a thread will be made on Light Clay in lower tiers as a whole but it remains to be seen.Is the UU Council allowed to ban Light Clay? Or Light Screen and Reflect? Or is this a complex ban that falls under the purview of Policy Review?
I do hope that, in banning Light Clay right now, people are going to keep an open mind that this might not actually be the best course of action that fixes things that they think are broken.
This has been clarified to you multiple times at this stage, this decision is not absolutely binding or final and if it doesn't solve the issue then we'll look into it further. I even mentioned it in my post right above yours.I do also hope that we do not end up banning all of the sweepers anyways later on, while also keeping Light Clay ban, as one of the primary reasons a lot of people are supporting a Light Clay ban is because they don't want to ban several Pokemon instead.
I think you misunderstood what I said. I understand you will look at other things if the problem persists - my point was that when you do so, you revisit this decision. The wording of your post seems to suggest the opposite - that you may potentially ban other things on top of clay without revisited the clay ban. So, since that is not what you meant, it seems I also misunderstood your post. Thank you for the clarification. I am happy that we are open to re-testing clay in the future if another route is taken later to correct this issue.This has been clarified to you multiple times at this stage, this decision is not absolutely binding or final and if it doesn't solve the issue then we'll look into it further. I even mentioned it in my post right above yours.
Fine with either but I generally agree with the sentiment Mew is most worthy to be tested and deserves to be tested. Other things include Slowbro-Galarian and Aegislash which are almost suspect worthy but I'd still vote no ban. Feel free to tag me if anyone wants elaboration but I'm not asking for change now.So in case you guys haven't seen them yet, the usage stats are out! Mostly the same stuff from last time, but some interesting changes involve Mew and Scizor being projected to rise to OU next month. This is especially big for Mew, as there has been discussion on suspect testing the thing. So, with the knowledge that Mew will most likely be rising next month, what do we do with it? Do we go ahead with a suspect test, or do we wait out the month?
For people that still doesn't know Terrain was nerfed in Gen 8. Now only give a 30% buff aka Life Orb and can be defogged away.Tapu Bulu - Auto Grassy Terrain setup halves damage from Bulldoze and Earthquake, gives Chandelure passive recovery, and powers up its Energy Ball by 50%
screenshotted for when regieleki is A+ rank in 2 weeksRegi is strong but probably not worth using