Reasoning:
Miraidon has been a topic of controvery since the generation came out, with an incredible speed stat only eclipsed by few niche Pokemon and the strongest raw attacking stat of any Pokemon when in Electric Terrain. It's been present on all but our first playerbase survey, with consistent high dissatisfaction regarding its presence in the tier. On the most recent one, it recieved a 6.48/10 overall and a 6.78/10 from the qualified playerbase. This is far higher than almost anything else we've ever asked about on one of these, and with its high usage and warping metagame it was fitting to be the target for a suspect test.
Miraidon is one of the strongest Pokémon ever released. In terms of raw damage, it outclasses even Mega Rayquaza. It is one of the most meta defining Pokémon of all time, and is a brutal combination of speed, bulk, and power. Miraidon does have a handful of checks, but these are Pokémon that are very easily exploited by the other Pokémon in the tier. Miriadon has shaped the tier around itself since it was released in SV, and has never been less than a top 2 Pokemon in the tier, constantly shifting sets to be more effective at breaking the trends of the time designed to put a stop to it. Miraidon's raw power is further bolstered by its excellent other stats, with respectable bulk for an Ubers setting, and existing within the crucial 135 speed tier. On top of this, Miraidon has a surprisingly high amount of set variety, between the raw breaking power provided by a Choice Specs or Life Orb Miraidon, the pivoting prowess of Heavy Duty Boots, and the various options for setup Miraidon on HO teams with tools like double dance and various Tera type combinations. This can make it difficult while teambuilding to prepare for every set, putting a strain on both Pokemon choice and tera type choice to try and shore up any possible weaknesses to this variety it has.
However, Miraidon isn't the most overwhelming force we've ever seen either, which is why it's survived this long in the generation in the first place when compared to something like Calyrex-S getting quickbanned on release. While it does have immense power, both of its STABs have immunities from 2 very powerful types, Ground and Fairy, and the Pokemon pool with those types not being weak with the existence of Arceus, Gliscor, Zacian-C, and others. This leads to it needing to predict well to get through certain bulky cores, and losing momentum in a tier with Pokemon this strong can be difficult. With one of its best STAB moves also being Draco Meteor, this can leave it susceptible to becoming set-up fodder if it takes a KO, although it can use Taunt to try and deal with this. Also, other strong Pokemon like Zacian-C, Choice Scarf Koraidon, and lesser used picks like Deoxys-A, Iron Bundle, and Chien-Pao can pick it off with either minimal chip damage or terastallization, making it not completely overwhelming against offensive teams either. While it has good enough natural bulk to survive these hits and high natural speed and power, it can only hold one of Heavy-Duty Boots for longevity, Choice Scarf / Specs for speed or power, or Leftovers / Electric Seed for set up sets, making it more reasonable to play around Miraidon in game than in the builder since you can work around the possible sets or any information that is revealed early.
Considering the results of the survey and also our most recent PR thread, a common question would probably be: why not Last Respects? When we were looking at the results as well as that PR thread it was quite split overall, with Miraidon being the far more impactful Pokemon on the metagame but Last Respects getting higher numbers on the survey's qualified section by a lot, just not the overall section. To solve this, we had an internal council vote, which again in the split opinion nature of this topic ended 4-4 with our 8 person council. Ultimately it was left to myself and Aberforth as tier leaders to make the final call when our council could not come to even a simple majority, and we decided on suspect testing Miraidon first.
Aberforth | Edgar | Entrocefalo | Fc | Fogbound Lake | Kate | Manaphy | Minority |
| Miraidon | Last Respects | Miraidon | Miraidon | Last Respects | Last Respects | Miraidon | Last Respects |
Suspect Test Information
- The voting requirements are a minimum GXE of 80 with at least 50 games played. In addition, you may play 1 less game for every 0.2 GXE you have above 80 GXE, down to a minimum of 30 games at a GXE of 84. Also, needing more than 50 games to reach 80 GXE will suffice. For reference, there's a minimum games required table posted below.
- You must signup with a newly registered account on Pokemon Showdown! that begins with the appropriate prefix for the suspect test. For this suspect test, the prefix will be UBMS. For example, I might sign up with the ladder account UBMS Fc.
- Laddering with an account that impersonates, mocks, or insults another Smogon user or breaks Pokemon Showdown! rules may be disqualified from voting and infracted. Moderator discretion will be applied here. If there is any doubt or hesitation when making the alt, just pick another name. There are infinite possibilities and we have had trouble for this repeatedly. If you wish to participate in the suspect, you should be able to exhibit decent enough judgement here. We will not be lenient.
- We will be using the regular Ubers ladder for this suspect test. We will not be creating a new Suspect Ladder. At the beginning of every battle, there will be an announcement denoting the ongoing suspect with a link to this thread.
- Any form of voting manipulation will result in swift and severe punishment. You are more than welcome to state your argument to as many people as you so please, but do not use any kind of underhanded tactics to get a result you desire. Bribery, blackmail, or any other type of tactic used to sway votes will be handled and sanctioned.
- Do not attempt to cheat the ladder. We will know if you did not actually achieve voting requisites, so don't do it. Harsh sanctions will be applied.
- We will be posting the voting identification thread shortly after this thread. Your voting requisites will be confirmed by a moderator. Please avoid getting more games before getting confirmed.
- The suspect test will go on for two weeks, lasting until Sunday March 17th, 10:30 PM GMT -4, and then we will put up the voting thread in the Blind Voting subforum.
| GXE | Minimum Games Required |
| 80 | 50 |
| 80.2 | 49 |
| 80.4 | 48 |
| 80.6 | 47 |
| 80.8 | 46 |
| 81 | 45 |
| 81.2 | 44 |
| 81.4 | 43 |
| 81.6 | 42 |
| 81.8 | 41 |
| 82 | 40 |
| 82.2 | 39 |
| 82.4 | 38 |
| 82.6 | 37 |
| 82.8 | 36 |
| 83 | 35 |
| 83.2 | 34 |
| 83.4 | 33 |
| 83.6 | 32 |
| 83.8 | 31 |
| 84 | 30 |
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Keep in mind that our suspect tests are decided by the community; anyone who achieves voting requisites is allowed to vote. The outcome is up to you. Happy posting and laddering!
The test will run until Sunday March 17th, 10:30 PM GMT -4. In order to ban Miraidon, a 66.6% supermajority will be required. If you meet the requirements then post a screenshot in the voting requirements thread - but please take note of the criteria outlined there when you do in order to be eligible!
Tagging dhelmise and Marty to announce this on the Ubers ladder, thank you!
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not being in Ubers tho
pivot set. With an immunity to hazard-induced residual damage, Miraidon becomes virtually untouchable - without threatening a OHKO, it often can’t be taken down without sacrificing a Pokémon or your Tera due to its overwhelming firepower and sneaky bulk. Of course, Miraidon can tera itself, often utilizing Fairy or Ghost to cheat revenge killers. Its worth noting, especially considering the discourse within this thread, that this set is significantly less healthy with DLC2’s additions. Ho-Oh and Necrozma-Dusk are incredibly common balance Pokémon that can match the longevity of Miraidon’s pivot set, allowing Miraidon to show the true horrors it can pull off in an extended balance standoff. Not to mention, these are simply more Pokémon that Miraidon pressures immensely.
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wallbreaker sets and being at the mercy of 
sets’ pivoting capabilities. Even against the common Hyper Offense set in 
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, Ting-Lu is worn down very easily and fails to provide any momentum. While Ting-Lu is ranked at A on the VR and sees plenty of usage, many note that this is almost solely due to its ability to take a hit from Miraidon, and would fall to the C-Ranks or even off of the VR with a Miraidon ban. A few other Pokémon would fall to utter obscurity without Miraidon - Clodsire and Iron Treads see usage as defensive “answers” for Miraidon. They share the same issues as Ting-Lu, but are even less competent against the rest of the meta. Finally, the strongest Pokémon that can take a Draco Meteor from Miraidon is Arceus-Ground. Of course, Arceus-Ground is vulnerable to hazards, and would often rather be used offensively or to hold off other threats such as Necrozma-Dusk. Should it be used to hold off Miraidon, other threats are allowed to wreak havoc. Other Pokémon with type advantages such as Landorus-T, Gliscor, and Groudon simply don’t have the special bulk for Miraidon’s absurd firepower.
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as a hazard setter because instead of being ohko by 
