Ok my arguement just lost majorly.
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Not being common doesn't mean you don't have to worry about it.
And Quick Attack? If if you need a SD user with a reliable priority attack, use Scyther.
With SD, you have 2 options of attacks:
Flare Blitz or Blaze Kick/Thunderpunch/Superpower or Sky Uppercut
Flare Blitz or Blaze Kick/Low Kick/Stone Edge
Those are the options for attacks. If you use Low Kick, you need to use Stone Edge. Without Low Kick, you're better off using Thunderpunch.
Well it sort of does, actually. Anyway, I don't see your point; Blaziken will beat Lanturn after a Swords Dance.
M BLADE said:
I don't think you quite understand the point of using Quick Attack on SD Blaziken.
Quick Attack allows Blaziken to not only beat some Pokemon such as Absol without taking any damage, but it also stops Dugtrio from revenge killing it because it OHKOes it.
Also, Scyther =/= Blaziken. There are reasons to use Scyther, and reasons to use Blaziken.
I don't quite understand why you have to run one of those two sets. I actually don't understand why you would run Stone Edge at all.M BLADE said:
Additionally, why does it matter if you use Low Kick or Superpower with Stone Edge / ThunderPunch? It doesn't make much of a difference except that Superpower lowers your Atk / Def but is more reliable, and Low Kick is a much more risky but much more effective attack. In fact, I'd actually argue the opposite of what you're saying. Low Kick Blaziken only has slight trouble with Pokemon like Omastar and Azumarill, so ThunderPunch would really help where as Stone Edge wouldn't. ThunderPunch is simply better than Stone Edge....
That said, while ThunderPunch is definitely the most viable option in the 3rd slot, using it to beat Milotic is not a must since you can beat it easily with Low Kick / Superpower. With ThunderPunch vs QA it's: be able to deal with Moltres / Omastar / Azumarill vs be less easy to revenge kill, similar to Gallade.
No, Blaziken won't beat Lanturn 100% of the time, and someone can put evs on defense making Lanturn a good option to take Blaziken off.
Quick Attack lets you beat Dugtrio, i believe Swellow as well... and what else?
You beat two pokes, and then can't beat another 5 or 7 because you lack a option to hit those.
Quick Attack is still too weak. Gallade had Shadow Sneak not because it's powerful, but because it's a ghost attack that takes those frail ghosts off(Mismagius...). It was still weak just like Quick Attack. And QA doesn't give you any typing advantage.
At least Scyther has Technician and it's more suited to have Quick Attack on the set.
Finally: Without Stone Edge, there's Altaria to wall Blaziken. Low Kick probably deals the same damage Thunderpunch does to most bulky waters(which it's Thunderpunch main use), so you can use Stone Edge for more coverage and a more poweful option against flying pokes(with some prediction you can even take Moltres out... Thunderpunch doesn't have the power to do that).
And why Blaziken would stay in against Azumarill? Azumarill will always scare Blaziken off, so it doesn't matter if you have Thunderpunch or Stone Edge . Azumarill always has the edge over Blaziken.
Even worse: Absol NEVER stays in or switches in against Blaziken mainloy because they fear Vacuum Wave from the Mixken.
Quick Attack lets you beat Dugtrio, i believe Swellow as well... and what else?
You beat two pokes, and then can't beat another 5 or 7 because you lack a option to hit those.
Quick Attack is still too weak. Gallade had Shadow Sneak not because it's powerful, but because it's a ghost attack that takes those frail ghosts off(Mismagius...). It was still weak just like Quick Attack. And QA doesn't give you any typing advantage.
At least Scyther has Technician and it's more suited to have Quick Attack on the set.
Finally: Without Stone Edge, there's Altaria to wall Blaziken. Low Kick probably deals the same damage Thunderpunch does to most bulky waters(which it's Thunderpunch main use), so you can use Stone Edge for more coverage and a more poweful option against flying pokes(with some prediction you can even take Moltres out... Thunderpunch doesn't have the power to do that).
And why Blaziken would stay in against Azumarill? Azumarill will always scare Blaziken off, so it doesn't matter if you have Thunderpunch or Stone Edge . Azumarill always has the edge over Blaziken.
Even worse: Absol NEVER stays in or switches in against Blaziken mainloy because they fear Vacuum Wave from the Mixken.
Yes it will. Did you miss the calc? It is a 100% OHKO with Stealth Rock. This isn't something you need to be arguing unless you want to argue that Doug's Calculator is wrong. If that's the case, Good luck.
M BLADE said:
They can, but they won't. Why compromise Lanturn's viability to beat an "uncommon" set.
I still don't understand why people still make these arguments. Is Kyogre bad because it doesn't run a Rock move to hit Shedinja? What is the point of saying "<Pokemon X's set> is beaten by a alternately EV'd variant of <practically non-existent Pokemon>". It doesn't get us anywhere.
M BLADE said:
Ok, here is a list of Pokemon that Quick Attack will allow Blaziken to beat:
Absol
Alakazam
Dugtrio
Hitmonlee
Houndoom
Swellow
Toxicroak
You hit around the same amount Pokemon with ThunderPunch. It is about as good of an option.
M BLADE said:
Sorry, but how is something with lower Attack and much worse two-move coverage more "suited" to have Quick Attack on its set?
Technician possibly makes up for the Attack difference (372 Atk vs 309 Atk is a big difference), but it simply has much worse two-move coverage.
Additionally, what I said before still stands: Blaziken =/= Scyther.
M BLADE said:
Once again you underestimate Flare Blitz: 81.4% - 95.8%
That's a OHKO with Stealth Rock. And Also, ThunderPunch still KOes Moltres with Stealth Rock (actually, Quick Attack even comes close after a Swords Dance, doing 40% min)
M BLADE said:
Hitting it on the switch? You just brought that up in your previous argument (hitting Moltres on the switch).
Also, Azumarill doesn't OHKO Blaziken with Aqua Jet w/o a Choice Band, plus there is always prediction mind games. For example, it may not want to Aqua Jet because it knows you can go right to Cresselia to set up, meaning it would rather use Waterfall.
M BLADE said:
I will absolutely promise you no one is running a Swords Dance set with Vacuum Wave.....well I hope not.
Absol will gladly switch in after a Swords Dance and revenge kill Blaziken with Sucker Punch.
All in all, I think it's pretty clear that you are not forced to run certain sets on SD Blaziken, and that Quick Attack is a viable option over ThunderPunch, as well as Low Kick over Superpower. And, never use Stone Edge. There isn't much more to discuss on this topic.
On another note:
Has anyone tried out CB Rhyperior? I am really loving it on my new team, it is an absolute monster. Spam Stone Edge all day untill their Ground immunity/resist is gone, then Spam EQ. Use Megahorn to nail Cresselia if you need as well.
Just to summarize:
Absol nvever stays in regardless of the set. I said they switch out in fear of Vaccum Wave on the most popular Blaziken set, which is the mixed one.
And Blaziken resists Sucker Punch. If you say Aqua Jet isn't going to KO Blaziken, why a resisted move would? THAT makes no sense.
And you're really counting Adamant Blaziken X Jolly against Scyther? If Scyther has Quick Attack, i'm almost sure it will be Adamant.
And finally, relying on Flare Blitz can be bad for Blaziken. How many damage you would take from something like Lanturn or Altaria(which the defensive one survives Flare Blitz)?
I'm not even try do argue with anything else. I think Quick Attack is a waste and Stone Edge it's worth a slot, you think otherwise.
About CB Rhyperior: The right move can spell doom for the opponent. It still doesn't have the power or at least speed to KO Milotic , but anything else is badly hurt by it.
Absol nvever stays in regardless of the set. I said they switch out in fear of Vaccum Wave on the most popular Blaziken set, which is the mixed one.
And Blaziken resists Sucker Punch. If you say Aqua Jet isn't going to KO Blaziken, why a resisted move would? THAT makes no sense.
And you're really counting Adamant Blaziken X Jolly against Scyther? If Scyther has Quick Attack, i'm almost sure it will be Adamant.
And finally, relying on Flare Blitz can be bad for Blaziken. How many damage you would take from something like Lanturn or Altaria(which the defensive one survives Flare Blitz)?
I'm not even try do argue with anything else. I think Quick Attack is a waste and Stone Edge it's worth a slot, you think otherwise.
About CB Rhyperior: The right move can spell doom for the opponent. It still doesn't have the power or at least speed to KO Milotic , but anything else is badly hurt by it.
Just going to point out that Jolly Technician Scyther's Quick Attack is more powerful than Adamant Blaziken's Quick Attack anyways, and by a fairly large amount (especially after SD). All calcs were done on 4/0 Absol.
Blaziken:
+0: 33.1% - 39%
+2: 65.4% - 77.2%
Scyther:
+0: 42.3% - 50%
+2: 84.2% - 99.3%
Blaziken:
+0: 33.1% - 39%
+2: 65.4% - 77.2%
Scyther:
+0: 42.3% - 50%
+2: 84.2% - 99.3%
Absol SP vs. 4/0 Blaziken: 37.7% - 44.7%. That's plenty after a couple tolls of LO recoil and SR, especially if you used Flare Blitz on Altaria.
Scyther needs Jolly to at least tie with stuff like Mismagius and beat stuff like Ninetails, Arcanine, Rotom and other base 95s. NUs count because "it doesn't matter if Lanturn is NU" which is why this discussion is even taking place.
Who the heck cares about recoil damage, it's not like Blaziken is taking many hits soon except some priority. And the fact that if Flare Blitz is the way to beat Altaria, why would you not use it >.< Stone Edge only has an 80% chance of beating Altaria anyways, whereas FB has a 100% chance at the cost of some health that really is minimal.
Quick Attack lets you beat SO many offensive threats you couldn't beat before as Hyu listed earlier. SE lets you beat absolutely nothing that you couldn't beat otherwise. QA > SE.
Wow, talk about a huge argument over something so insignificant. We all know that SD Blaziken has its uses in the metagame, and what moves you decide to use depend on personal preference. There really is no absolute best set of three moves.
I'd personally go with Superpower on that set, because I believe that making sure you minimize the number of Pokemon that can beat you on the first switch is more important for a wallbreaker than keeping your chances of sweeping on one visit high. Because a guaranteed 1-1.5 kills can easily open up a sweep for someone else if going the offensive route. Applies to Quagsire mainly in this instance (Lanturn less so), but there are a few others. There's also the fact that Flare Blitz can't be used more than once without dying, so access to another 120 BP STAB move can help to conserve your HP in some situations whilst still getting the needed KOs. Flare Blitz is still needed though IMO for the power and reliability. The only decision for me is Thunderpunch vs. Quick Attack, which is more wall coverage vs. not being completely deadweight against pure offense.
The only difference with SD Blaziken as far as the metagame is concerned is that stall players no longer have an excuse for always struggling against it. With Cresselia you have one monster of a versatile mixed wall that can be tailored for almost any walling / anti-wallbreaker needs your team requires.
I'd personally go with Superpower on that set, because I believe that making sure you minimize the number of Pokemon that can beat you on the first switch is more important for a wallbreaker than keeping your chances of sweeping on one visit high. Because a guaranteed 1-1.5 kills can easily open up a sweep for someone else if going the offensive route. Applies to Quagsire mainly in this instance (Lanturn less so), but there are a few others. There's also the fact that Flare Blitz can't be used more than once without dying, so access to another 120 BP STAB move can help to conserve your HP in some situations whilst still getting the needed KOs. Flare Blitz is still needed though IMO for the power and reliability. The only decision for me is Thunderpunch vs. Quick Attack, which is more wall coverage vs. not being completely deadweight against pure offense.
The only difference with SD Blaziken as far as the metagame is concerned is that stall players no longer have an excuse for always struggling against it. With Cresselia you have one monster of a versatile mixed wall that can be tailored for almost any walling / anti-wallbreaker needs your team requires.
@Rolfkip
Hey, i'm not comparing Stone Edge to Quick Attack.
I said Quick Attack isn't good on Blaziken, and that Stone Edge is a option over Thunderpunch if you use Low Kick.
With QA, you won't use Thunderpunch, and you'll be totally walled by Slowbro, Blastoise to a extent and mainly Azumarill.
And if Scyther needs to tie with Mismagius, i believe Blaziken has to tie with Venusaur or outspeed Adamant Skuntank for example...
And the cost of using FB isn't minimal. I've used Wood Hammer Torterra on some walls, and it was enough to take 50% of Torterra's life(with LO). That's TOO much. Enough to stop a sweep or cripple enough to make many priority attacks KO Torterra . And Torterra is bulky, mind you.
That's why i mentioned Blaze Kick on it's movesets. Although it's hard to forego Flare Blitz, just like it's hard to forego Wood Hammer on Torterra.
Anyways, some calculations of QA on those threats Hyu mentioned(Blaziken at +2 and Adamant):
Toxicroak: 54.2% - 64%. Not even close.
Dugtrio: 96.2% - 113.2%. This thing is just too frail.
Alakazam: 81.3% - 95.6%. KO only with SR on field.
Swellow: 64% - 75.5%. Yeah, little chance of KO even with SR. Though Swellow also goes down.
Hitmonlee:78.1% - 92%. Not a KO even with SR.
Houndoom: 69.9% - 82.2%. This one can be OHKOed at average. Doesn't count because there's not much Houndoom can do to Blaziken.
Those are REALLY frail sweepers(on the physical side). The damage is just... meh. That's why i think QA isn't good on Blaziken.
Let's stop here. You think QA is good to pick those slightly hurted pokes off, i think QA is too weak to be useful on Blaziken. There's nothing we can do to change that.
So, thoughts on the CB Rhyperior Heysup posted?
Hey, i'm not comparing Stone Edge to Quick Attack.
I said Quick Attack isn't good on Blaziken, and that Stone Edge is a option over Thunderpunch if you use Low Kick.
With QA, you won't use Thunderpunch, and you'll be totally walled by Slowbro, Blastoise to a extent and mainly Azumarill.
And if Scyther needs to tie with Mismagius, i believe Blaziken has to tie with Venusaur or outspeed Adamant Skuntank for example...
And the cost of using FB isn't minimal. I've used Wood Hammer Torterra on some walls, and it was enough to take 50% of Torterra's life(with LO). That's TOO much. Enough to stop a sweep or cripple enough to make many priority attacks KO Torterra . And Torterra is bulky, mind you.
That's why i mentioned Blaze Kick on it's movesets. Although it's hard to forego Flare Blitz, just like it's hard to forego Wood Hammer on Torterra.
Anyways, some calculations of QA on those threats Hyu mentioned(Blaziken at +2 and Adamant):
Toxicroak: 54.2% - 64%. Not even close.
Dugtrio: 96.2% - 113.2%. This thing is just too frail.
Alakazam: 81.3% - 95.6%. KO only with SR on field.
Swellow: 64% - 75.5%. Yeah, little chance of KO even with SR. Though Swellow also goes down.
Hitmonlee:78.1% - 92%. Not a KO even with SR.
Houndoom: 69.9% - 82.2%. This one can be OHKOed at average. Doesn't count because there's not much Houndoom can do to Blaziken.
Those are REALLY frail sweepers(on the physical side). The damage is just... meh. That's why i think QA isn't good on Blaziken.
Let's stop here. You think QA is good to pick those slightly hurted pokes off, i think QA is too weak to be useful on Blaziken. There's nothing we can do to change that.
So, thoughts on the CB Rhyperior Heysup posted?
Tried out Raichu a little since people are talking about it a lot lately.
Raichu rarely seems to use attacks other than Thunderbolt or HP Ice. Grass Knot is mostly for Quagsire and Gastrodon, while Surf is mainly for Steelix. HP Ice actually has a good chance to KO Su(p)perior with Life Orb, Stealth Rock, and a Nasty Plot. Because it does pretty well with two moves, the Encore + Nasty Plot set actually works pretty well in it's dual role. The big glaring problem is Dugtrio, though, so I recommend using something to lure and kill Dugtrio.
If you want Raichu to beat Dugtrio, Substitute is probably your best option. Running Substitute on the sweeper set is viable but turns it into a worse Raikou. The Sub-Punch set can OHKO Dugtrio with Focus Punch, and still gives you that fast Encore, so it might be worth a try if you want to use Raichu. In fact, since that set uses Leftovers, you'll probably do a lot more Encoring with it than with the sweeper set. Speaking of luring Dugtrio, the Focus Punch set might be a good way to do that. You might also surprise Clefable and Chansey.
Other moves for scouting Dugtrio include Magnet Rise and Agility. Both are gimmicky, but Magnet Rise could help you set up big time against Steelix, Registeel, and Claydol. Overall I found Raichu to be decent, but it has trouble doing something better than Raikou.
Raichu rarely seems to use attacks other than Thunderbolt or HP Ice. Grass Knot is mostly for Quagsire and Gastrodon, while Surf is mainly for Steelix. HP Ice actually has a good chance to KO Su(p)perior with Life Orb, Stealth Rock, and a Nasty Plot. Because it does pretty well with two moves, the Encore + Nasty Plot set actually works pretty well in it's dual role. The big glaring problem is Dugtrio, though, so I recommend using something to lure and kill Dugtrio.
If you want Raichu to beat Dugtrio, Substitute is probably your best option. Running Substitute on the sweeper set is viable but turns it into a worse Raikou. The Sub-Punch set can OHKO Dugtrio with Focus Punch, and still gives you that fast Encore, so it might be worth a try if you want to use Raichu. In fact, since that set uses Leftovers, you'll probably do a lot more Encoring with it than with the sweeper set. Speaking of luring Dugtrio, the Focus Punch set might be a good way to do that. You might also surprise Clefable and Chansey.
Other moves for scouting Dugtrio include Magnet Rise and Agility. Both are gimmicky, but Magnet Rise could help you set up big time against Steelix, Registeel, and Claydol. Overall I found Raichu to be decent, but it has trouble doing something better than Raikou.
Lol, I think the entire post was about Raikou until I caught some of them :). I guess it just goes to show how much Raikou overshadows Raichu in most areas. It is supposed to be about Raichu, though.
Well there may be no best, but there is definitely better when something is useless in every situation....like Stone Edge for example, which practically has no use on the set at all.
This really doesn't make much sense to me :(. You are directly comparing the two. You are saying "In the 3rd Attack slot, I think Quick Attack is bad option over ThunderPunch and Stone Edge is a good option over ThunderPunch". That sounds like comparing to me.
I don't mean to be snark about this, but I don't know how else to say it.
M BLADE said:
Yes, it will be walled by Slowbro, Blastoise (if it uses Low Kick), and Azumarill (again, if it uses Low Kick). However, Slowbro walls it with ThunderPunch anyway. I still don't see your point about how using Stone Edge would be better, since it gives you the same problems but doesn't help you with others.
Also, Scyther needs to outspeed much more than just Mismagius. It needs to outpace Arcanine, Houndoom, Rotom, Drapion, other base 100s and base 95s, etc. The main point is that Scyther is not remotely similar to Blaziken. It is faster, but the main difference is that Blaziken, while being slower, boasts excellent two-move coverage, as well as a much higher Attack stat.
M BLADE said:
Blaze Kick is viable, but Flare Blitz gets so many OHKOes (like Altaria and Lanturn), and keep this in mind: Blaziken's main goal is to punch holes in the opponent's team. This means that if Blaziken takes out Altaria with Flare Blitz at the cost of 30-40% of its health, then it has done its job. Quick Attack allows it to function as a "not liability" against offensive teams or the hyped Dugtrio stall.
Even if you really hate recoil, is failing to OHKO a single, uncommon, non-threatening defensive Pokemon really worth losing the ability to do damage to Pokemon like Azumarill, Omastar, Slowbro, etc.? Or the ability to live versus Dugtrio, Houndoom, etc.
M BLADE said:
Against a weakened team, those calcs are definitely "enough". Blaziken isn't going to sweep every game with QA, but it will definitely help versus Pokemon like this who would be able to dominate Blaziken otherwise. At least, once again, much more than Stone Edge would.
M BLADE said:
I don't see your point here. 'Because they are frail.....the calcs are irrelevant'?.
The point is that QA beats those "REALLY frail sweepers". That is why it's useful. You aren't attacking walls with it -_-.
M BLADE said:
I agree, but too be honest I want to understand what your point first. As it stands, I don't believe you have clearly shown how your argument is a legitimate one. It very well may be, but I don't see it yet.
M BLADE said:
/change topic
I think the reasons so many people would dismiss CB Rhyperior are that: a) Aggron has Head Smash, and b) Rhyperior uses STAB EQ which is bad cause of immunities.
Yes, Aggron has Head Smash, but it doesn't literally 2HKO every Pokemon in the metagame with at least one of its attacks. The difference between 110 and 140 is quite evident when their other attacks are used, especially when used with STAB EQ.
And Yes, Rhyperior has STAB EQ, but too be honest, if you are spamming STAB EQ you are using Rhyperior wrong. Spam Stone Edge first. It has no immunities and it nails everything VERY hard. While you may feel "amg I may as well use Aggron", consider that Rhyperior has much more bulk and the wonderful immunity to Thunder Wave. Additionally, Rhyperior's other attacks are MUCH better, including its STAB EQ which will wreck things late game when the floaters are gone.
That's the best way to handle powerful choice pokemon really. Never start with the powerful attack (Aggron's Headsmash, Scizor's Bullet Punch, Charizard's Flamethrower), start by spamming the second option (In my three examples, Aggron's Aqua Tail, Scizor's U-Turn, Charizard's Air Slash) because it will do better. And if played correctly, you don't even have to wait till just the right time for using move 1, because you can just brute force your way through counters.
Scizor's U-Turn is stronger than its Bullet Punch, and is far and away the primary option.
I disagree with Aggron too. Nothing is immune to Head Smash, and anything that doesn't take enormous damage is not immediately threatening. Not so with Aqua Tail, e.g. Toxicroak can switch in and SD / Sub / Plot up for free. I would start with Head Smash for the same reason as Rhyperior should start with Stone Edge: it doesn't allow any immensely threatening offensive Pokemon to come in and set up for free.
Just to finish the Blaziken thing, a short answer: Blaziken is meant to break through walls. QA sin't going to help it on that job. That's my point.
That' why i mentioned Scyther: it isn't meant to break walls, but to sweep, thus making QA way more useful for it(and hey, even if Scyther is Jolly and Blaziken is Adamant, Scyhter still does more damage with QA).
QA on Blaziken is only to pick off frail or really weakened pokes. Another move(Thunderpunch) lets Blaziken do it's real job, the job of breaking through walls.
Coming back on Rhyperior: when comparing CB Rhyperior with CB Aggron...
Aggron should always Head Smash first. No matter if ir resists Head Smash, if isn't a wall it will take a huge damage.
If it's a wall, it's better for it to resist rock attacks or at least , or it will take a huge damage as well. With Aggron, the other options are almost "filler". Head Smash is just that powerful.
With CB Rhyperior, the other moves aren't filler. That makes Rhyperior more dangerous overall since it doesn't rely on one move to deal huge amounts of damage.
CB Rhyperior to me is better than CB Aggron(in OU it's the opposite... but that isn't OU right?).
About Milotic: What's with the increase of Sleep Talk Milotics?
At M BLADE:
I really can't explain it any further, but you are still missing the point of QA, among other things (such as the Scyther comparison).
This is more what I was saying.
Aggron should start, and continue Spamming Head Smash. However, when you are walled by something like Registeel, Regirock, or Steelix, Aggron doesn't have that immensely powerful STAB Earthquake to deal with them. STAB Earthquake also makes Rhyperior a more reliable Pokemon late game when all of the Ground-types are gone. 100 Accuracy vs 80 Accuracy.
I really can't explain it any further, but you are still missing the point of QA, among other things (such as the Scyther comparison).
This is more what I was saying.
Aggron should start, and continue Spamming Head Smash. However, when you are walled by something like Registeel, Regirock, or Steelix, Aggron doesn't have that immensely powerful STAB Earthquake to deal with them. STAB Earthquake also makes Rhyperior a more reliable Pokemon late game when all of the Ground-types are gone. 100 Accuracy vs 80 Accuracy.
Slowbro doesn't wall Blaziken with Thunderpunch. At +2, it does 75.1% - 88.8% from Adamant Life Orb Blaziken to max/max Slowbro, almost guaranteed with Stealth Rocks and one layer of Spikes (which you have always said how easy they are to keep up with Froslass).
Furthermore, if Slowbro switches into something like Arcanine's Flare Blitz without using Slack Off, it's dead anyways.
ThunderPunch does seem like a valid option for extra wall-breaking ability, but the only reason I would use it is for Slowbro. Also, I've always found Superpower to be the Fighting attack of choice, simply because it's so much more powerful.
Furthermore, if Slowbro switches into something like Arcanine's Flare Blitz without using Slack Off, it's dead anyways.
ThunderPunch does seem like a valid option for extra wall-breaking ability, but the only reason I would use it is for Slowbro. Also, I've always found Superpower to be the Fighting attack of choice, simply because it's so much more powerful.
Hmm.. it seems that you're not getting what i'm saying either.
So let's leave at that.
About Rhyperior: Well, Regirock isn't going to like taking Head Smashes. Since we're taliking about CB, i believe CB Head Smash or CB Stone Edge on Registeel leaves you open regardless of the poke you use.
When Registeel comes back, it's likely that, no matter if it's a CB Earthquake from Rhyperior or CB Low Kick from Aggron (providing you predict the switch), it should KO Registeel (if Registeel took the Head Smash or Stone Edge earlier).
Steelix is another thing though.
Rhyperior is the best CBer because it can take out the things Aggron can't. Quagsire dislikes STAB Earthquake, as does Intimidate Hitmontop, Poliwrath, the aforementioned Steelix among others with more ease. While it has STAB Megahorn to take care of those who could mean trouble for Rhyperior(bulky grasses or Claydol).
So... anyone noticed a increase of Sleep Talk Milotics?
So let's leave at that.
About Rhyperior: Well, Regirock isn't going to like taking Head Smashes. Since we're taliking about CB, i believe CB Head Smash or CB Stone Edge on Registeel leaves you open regardless of the poke you use.
When Registeel comes back, it's likely that, no matter if it's a CB Earthquake from Rhyperior or CB Low Kick from Aggron (providing you predict the switch), it should KO Registeel (if Registeel took the Head Smash or Stone Edge earlier).
Steelix is another thing though.
Rhyperior is the best CBer because it can take out the things Aggron can't. Quagsire dislikes STAB Earthquake, as does Intimidate Hitmontop, Poliwrath, the aforementioned Steelix among others with more ease. While it has STAB Megahorn to take care of those who could mean trouble for Rhyperior(bulky grasses or Claydol).
So... anyone noticed a increase of Sleep Talk Milotics?
SD Blaziken's reliable answers are mint Slowbro and Azumarill. Azumarill would probably be best since most players, like myself, tend to spam Flare Blitz or use Swords Dance. I don't think anyone is using Superpower first. Adamant Blaziken is alright, I learned this the hard way when I missed speed-tieing the 80 group. Blaziken needs Jolly to function properly. However, if you are playing a stall player, then I would go for Adamant. If you're laddering with it then Jolly would probably be best. Although you need Spikes support if you want to OHKO Slowbro. In regards to Quick Attack, its a very good option for picking on frail Pokemon like Alakazam and Dugtrio. Also, Stone Edge is not "useless". It would be third option in my opinion if you truly want to OHKO Altaria without using Flare Blitz (recoil). Altaria is rare nowadays anyways, so there is no need to use Stone Edge.
How is Cresselia not a reliable answer?
Yeah my bad, I was supposed to refer to two metagames ago. I forgot to write it down. But I do agree, Cresselia is a reliable answer, probably the best.
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