• Check out the relaunch of our general collection, with classic designs and new ones by our very own Pissog!

np: UU - Rain Drops Keep Falling on my Head

Status
Not open for further replies.
Synre said:
Registeel had been my first thought too, since it's such a bandaid counter for most teams both offensive and defensive. Both it and Milotic just get thrown onto teams willy nilly since they both counter about half the metagame without any sort of intelligent team support at all. I don't really care about how the work on offensively incline teams, but it irritates me much they boost stall. With that playstyle so much of the game is team matchups (or I guess more precisely, the opponent not having the right Pokemon to break the stall), and it's that much easier - I think, too much easier - to make sure that occurs when both of those Pokemon blanket counter half the game.
Click to expand...

I've never had trouble with stall and I don't even play "HO (by whatever the fuck definition it is)", I just play SpikeStack offense. I'm sure even ToF can attest: smart switching and spiking will allow many sweepers to simply bypass the walls that are on stall teams. Who would have thought "playing smart" actually helps against both Rain and stall right??????
Synre] All about who's nominating it said:
Edit: Ok, I feel like this crap doesn't evem make sense xD. I can honestly say that I'm am on the fence about Raikou. I'veb en using the LO set with no spikes support and it STILL manages to sweep, but I am using duggy support. Damnit, I'm confusing myself...whatever, imo, froslass BL, Raikou not sure, and Moltres UU.
Click to expand...

Well it's always seemed clear to me how to distinguish support vs offensive. Here is an example:

Spikes, for example, breaks a huge portion of the metagame.

Dugtrio, breaks....one? It doesn't break anything but Raikou really.

Therefore Dugtrio isn't "supporting Raikou so that it's broken", "Raikou is abusing Dugtrio's support".

But apparently it doesn't work that way because it makes too much sense.
 
Milotic still beats most Hitmontop, since regardless of set people are typically running max hp/attack. The same is true of Azumarill, though it's a little harder to reliably Recover off it's damage since it's doing almost 50% - except it has the same problem with a majority of the other Pokemon listed in that it had to be choiced to do it, and any competent trainer is going to realize that and at least have the option of exploiting it (though there's always danger there too, which is why we play the game instead of just theorizing about it). All of the other Pokemon listed except Moltres (who I already mentioned in my post, btw) are easily walled by Registeel outside of Absol - which is the problem I have with both of those Pokemon existing, it's not like there's some clause to only use one. Milotic having reliable recovery probably makes it the more effective of the two, though.
 
My God, that avatar's so disturbing... Also I Brined a Quagsire three times in a row before I figured out that Toxic Spikes damage was doing the actual work. That huge lapse of judgment reminded me of just how hard it is to set up and keep Toxic Spikes on the opponent's field. I didn't even recognize them doing their work lol. But when they're down, they're just so effective...
 
Capefeather, you quote is just awesome.

And as far as i am concerned.. yes, froslass needs to go.

Moltres is fine, it is not BL, since it needs some really good support, read spinner. When you are filling one slot in your team because of another pokemon, then it isn't BL.
 
So who's actually going to vote Froslass this round? do we have enough people to get it BL?
 
At the moment, I really don't think banning potential defensive Suspects (Milotic and Registeel) would be healthy. Sure, there are plenty of stall teams running amok, and they're doing really well, but at the same time, Offense is really, really potent. At the moment, I have absolutely no problems running my Hyper Offense team through normal teams unless I get haxed (Which I do, a lot, and this is probably the weakness in HO in that one hax can fuck your whole game over), and people like franky are running through teams with Duggy+Raikou and stuff. Right now, I actually think the metagame is healthy as it is, Stall and Offense are doing equally as well, and one banning can lead to them going out of proportion (Except maybe Froslass).
 
Three things'
one everyone and their mother is running torterra lately
Frosslass is in my opinion the only broken suspect as you can not truly beat her
Raikou I am on the fence about only due to his 4 moveslot sydrome.
 
Brass said:
Three things'
one everyone and their mother is running torterra lately
Frosslass is in my opinion the only broken suspect as you can not truly beat her
Raikou I am on the fence about only due to his 4 moveslot sydrome.
Click to expand...

Ummm Torterra is not everywhere, he has gotten more popular but he's not everywhere and Froslass can be beaten quite easily by quite alot of things
 
Yeah, Torterra is getting quite popular, he's quite a monster. Anyway, anyone tried using Yache Berry on RP Torterra?? That thing is quite something to behold.
 
Yea frosslass can be killed but only after getting down at least 2 to 3 layers of spikes. Bulkylass imo the best set can last the whole battle and maintain those spikes. And yes torterra has been on every team out of my last 10 battles plus I have seen him being used by mostly top tier players.
 
If only we had stats......if only.....

I'd be really curious to see if people were really facing rain every battle, or facing SpikeStacking every battle, etc.
 
There should be, just give it a few days. It's not like we're moving to a new server or anything like that this month. Anyways, are tiering shifts happening this month, or are we waiting another month because we don't have stats for February??
 
I can almost guarantee that even were it to be nominated Rain Dance would never be voted BL by a majority of eligible voters. Maybe Damp Rock, maybe Kabutops, but I don't think there's even a convincing argument to bother voting on it rather than one of the previous two things, let alone getting the vote to swing toward a ban...
 
Synre said:
I can almost guarantee that even were it to be nominated Rain Dance would never be voted BL by a majority of eligible voters. Maybe Damp Rock, maybe Kabutops, but I don't think there's even a convincing argument to bother voting on it rather than one of the previous two things, let alone getting the vote to swing toward a ban...
Click to expand...

I'm not planning to nominate Rain Dance ... it's just an example of what might be "nominateable".
 
Sub Seed tile is rediculously effective at doing what he does. He has the speed and a surprising amount of bulk. It just seems that with Grass seems to be the dragon type of UU
 
I will definitely be voting Lass for BL and probably Raikou for BL this time around, considering that I've pretty comfortably made upper req and won't have to write paragraphs for them. I don't think I'll vote Moltres BL, and I definitely will not be voting Milotic or Dugtrio or anything else to BL.

And assuming Damp Rock gets nominated, I'll be voting for that to get to BL as well.

Edit: And SubTerra is definitely a monster. I've been using it on one of my lulz teams and I'm seriously considering moving it to my semi-lulz team in place of SubPerior because it handles Milotic and Venusaur MUCH better, in addition to completely wrecking everything else that SubPerior wrecks (with the unfortunate exception of Sceptile)
 
Mmmmk, so what is the upper req? Cuz if I stop getting haxed and play with one alt, I may actually vote...I just don't feel like writing paragraphs xD
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top