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But no good player slaps 6 pokes in a team, so we don't need to worry about that.
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*raises hand*

Umm and the slap6-Pokemon-together-team got my somewhere high on the leaderboard ~15-20 with an CRE of 1630 or so, dunno anymore.

I just throw 3 suspects (Froslass, Raikou; Moltres) together with some proper support (Hitmontop, Regirock, Mismagius).

5 of this 6 Pokes are in the TopTen of March (only Regirock stands out, who was only an replacement for Rhyperior to take some Hits better).

So i must admit that this "strategy" functions not so badly.
 
Heysup said:
I seem to be doing fine on the ladder and in #stark cups running the same predictable core of suspects every single time. I don't know what you guys are talking about.
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I actually disagree. On it's surface, your team looks like 6 top tier pokes but that's not true. It has effective synergy with each other. Even then you can see some surprise pokemon (Specs Blastoise, an Absol etc)
 
Heysup said:
I seem to be doing fine on the ladder and in #stark cups running the same predictable core of suspects every single time. I don't know what you guys are talking about.
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That's because your team has synergy. You don't just slap 6 top pokes together... at least i hope.

*raises hand*

Umm and the slap6-Pokemon-together-team got my somewhere high on the leaderboard ~15-20 with an CRE of 1630 or so, dunno anymore.

I just throw 3 suspects (Froslass, Raikou; Moltres) together with some proper support (Hitmontop, Regirock, Mismagius).

5 of this 6 Pokes are in the TopTen of March (only Regirock stands out, who was only an replacement for Rhyperior to take some Hits better).

So i must admit that this "strategy" functions not so badly.
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Indeed.

Now slap 6 NU pokes. Good luck.
Like i said: no wonder they are the top UU pokes.
 
Thund91 said:
It's not that we're complaining. We're actually trying to help all those people who think they can just put the top 6 together and call it an effective team. That isn't how it works. Nobody's saying use gimmicks or die, but if your team is so predictable you're playing at a disadvantage.
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I think we're on two entirely different wavelengths here. I interpret gimmicks as something that might get you a win or two due to shock value, but has no real staying power. You can't base your entire winning formula on your opponent's ignorance. But if you can make a good team out of Loppunny/Jumpluff/Electrode or what have you, don't let me rain on your parade.

Don't get me wrong, I've been looking into NU too for some new strategies, it's just that no matter how good some of these overlooked Pokes are, the suspects still ultimately have the advantage. That's why they're suspects.

But no good player slaps 6 pokes in a team, so we don't need to worry about that.
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Remember the Honch/Gallade era? It was quite easy to win if you composed a team of filler/Honch/Gallade/filler/filler/filler. Same thing with Cress and PZ. It's just that the suspects this round aren't quite as overwhelmingly broken as they have been in the past and you really do have to try and compose a good team if you want to win.
 
Conflict said:
*raises hand*

Umm and the slap6-Pokemon-together-team got my somewhere high on the leaderboard ~15-20 with an CRE of 1630 or so, dunno anymore.

I just throw 3 suspects (Froslass, Raikou; Moltres) together with some proper support (Hitmontop, Regirock, Mismagius).

5 of this 6 Pokes are in the TopTen of March (only Regirock stands out, who was only an replacement for Rhyperior to take some Hits better).

So i must admit that this "strategy" functions not so badly.
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Then again thats not really throwing together 6 random pokemon. Those 6 pokemon function together extremely well and cover everything that needs to be covered. =/
 
SJCrew said:
Remember the Honch/Gallade era? It was quite easy to win if you composed a team of filler/Honch/Gallade/filler/filler/filler. Same thing with Cress and PZ. It's just that the suspects this round aren't quite as overwhelmingly broken as they have been in the past and you really do have to try and compose a good team if you want to win.
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I can't argue with that because i never have used those suspects. Yeah, not even Cresselia.

But, surprisingly or not, the team i said to be the best one i ever made was used in the Cresselia/P-Z era. And it net me 85/90% of wins approximately.

And it was all NU.
And my pokes had the advantage over almost all suspects (only Raikou was uncovered).

So yeah, you can have success if you want to. Suspects can be played around on a good team.

And guess what? The team was made really fast. 3 minutes and the team was done. No huge thoughts or anything. It was almost a "slapped" team.



Ignoring all that: the fact they are suspects can be used against you. Since they are commonly found on many teams means that the chances of said poke being covered by a good part of the opponents are huge.
 
"My"? Something tells me that you didn't come up with that yourself...

I'm gonna have to try out every single Pokemon being discussed, even though everyone else on the ladder will use it too because we're discussing. Some that seem interesting are NP Persian, Porygon 2, and RestTalk Entei.

What disappoints me however is that I am an awful battler so none of these Pokemon end up working.
 
Toxicroak @ Focus Sash/Life Orb

Bullet Punch
Protect
Cross Chop
Dark Pulse

Beats Ambipom, froslass, and all those lead hariyamas ive seen popping up.
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I've been using a similar Hitmonlee set:

Hitmonlee @ Life Orb/Focus Sash
Ability: Limber
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Nature: Jolly
-Close Combat
-Stone Edge
-Bullet Punch
-Rapid Spin

A bit like a UU Starmie. I might change BP to Mach Punch should Froslass get banned though.

Anyway, I have to say that while using gimmicks is really fun, you're going to have to think extra hard about team-building because it's really easy to get it wrong. I was running a whole day of gimmicks yesterday (Really lolsy stuff like CB Sneasel, Boah Exploud and LO Dodrio) and I pretty much lost like 15 in a row. I might have been tilting, I think I reaped what I sow. I don't really care though, seeing as I'm not going to take the leaderboard by storm any time soon and I got voting right anyway.

Anyway, on the side, anyone else see a massive increase in Trick Room teams lately??
 
If you're using LO Dodrio you're begging to get your ass kicked...name one thing that it does better than Swellow.
 
Aside from my Trick Room Eggy (which Trick Room was used only for himself)... no.

But hey, we can't say some pokes are gimmicks.
Ok, CB Sneasel and Boah Exploud are... but not Dodrio. Is that Dodrio is simply outclassed by Swellow.

@ Yuggles: Acupressure passing. lol
 
It's more powerful (at least when using Brave Bird), that's about it. Jolly Dodrio with LO reaches 414 Attack, while Jolly Swellow reaches 403 Attack at +1 (So not much difference). I'm running a Brave Bird/Quick Attack/Roost/Sub set (Like Staraptor).
 
M BLADE said:
@ Yuggles: Acupressure passing. lol
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Heh ok, you got me there.

And that SubRoost set is pretty bad. It was great on Staraptor with his excellent coverage, but Dodrio is limited to the incredible range of Normal and Flying moves...one of which only has 60 BP on your set.
 
Uberiffic said:
well, except for my lead, (who is awesome) my team is pretty bog standard, bulky lass set up spikes for a moltres/swellow/raikou sweep, with donphan to spin. and Ive only lost one match today (god damn quagsire, how the hell does it wall swellow with enough HP leftover to take raikou down?) Yeah im a bitch for going bog standard, I just wanna get on the leaderboard for once :(
EDIT: Need raikou counter...
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If you really wanted to get on the leaderboard, you'd run stall. It absolutely loves this meta since the suspects arent effective against them. There was a reason why the tour was a "stall fest."
 
bah! Stall is boring, and I wreck everystall team, chansey keep coming in on moltres, I switch to swellow/donphan while they sofboiled/seismic toss, keep up the momentum, eventually chansey falls and the rest of the team gets swept by moltres/raikou. Seriously chansey is not that bulky, and if moltres burns on the switch, (happens eventually with all the switching chanseys doing) Burn+stealthRock+35% from flamethrower means I can either go for flinch with air slash, or, once again, keep the pressure up. Stall just can't keep up with nonstop pressure
P.S. since I don't like sub or shadow ball, i have a free space on my raikou, testing different moves. The best one I found is reflect. Reflect+Calm Mind lets him set up easy against teams without a strong ground type, and donphan gets annihalated by hp:ice anyway
EDIT: Changing to light screen. Still need raikou counter
 
If only we had Gallade. He would tear these team's apart. Still, NP Toxicroak (or Raichu I guess) and Magmortar can really help you take down stall teams.
 
Do you guys think that 248 HP/216 Spe/44 SpA with Timid is a good spread for RestTalk Entei? 248 is a Leftover's number plus one so I can switch into Stealth Rock five times in case I don't get a chance to Rest. 216 with Timid to outspeed positive natured base 95's, and the rest in Sp. Atk. How is it?

On the topic of stall, because of its effectiveness, people can dominate with an anti-stall team.
 
PK Gaming said:
If only we had Gallade. He would tear these team's apart. Still, NP Toxicroak (or Raichu I guess) and Magmortar can really help you take down stall teams.
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I hope you weren't one of those who voted him BL then. This is probably what Jabba was talking about earlier, understand the effects a ban can bring. Meh, there are plenty of things that can screw over stall.
 
Uberiffic said:
bah! Stall is boring, and I wreck everystall team, chansey keep coming in on moltres, I switch to swellow/donphan while they sofboiled/seismic toss, keep up the momentum, eventually chansey falls and the rest of the team gets swept by moltres/raikou. Seriously chansey is not that bulky, and if moltres burns on the switch, (happens eventually with all the switching chanseys doing) Burn+stealthRock+35% from flamethrower means I can either go for flinch with air slash, or, once again, keep the pressure up. Stall just can't keep up with nonstop pressure
P.S. since I don't like sub or shadow ball, i have a free space on my raikou, testing different moves. The best one I found is reflect. Reflect+Calm Mind lets him set up easy against teams without a strong ground type, and donphan gets annihalated by hp:ice anyway
EDIT: Changing to light screen. Still need raikou counter
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If there's something that suffers so much from stall is the very same SwellowTres combo. Rotom will just keep blocking spinning attempts of Donphan's, tanking Moltres isn't just limited to Chansey, but to Milotic as well, and either your Moltres is on steroids or it's not actually doing that much to chansey with Flamethrower; eventually SR will catch up and the res tis obvious. Also, people seem to live under the illusion that taking Chansey down is GG if you have any special sweepers.

PK Gaming said:
If only we had Gallade. He would tear these team's apart. Still, NP Toxicroak (or Raichu I guess) and Magmortar can really help you take down stall teams.
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I simply loved how in Gallade's round I got to face like no more than 10 stall teams... makes me wish Heracross came down.
 
Yeah Gallade's ability to instagib stall is nice and I hate stall as much as anyone else, but I don't think it's right to "miss" a clearly broken Pokemon just because people suck at handling stall in this metagame.
 
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