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SJCrew said:
Plus, Grumpig is faster than the Modest Moltres you used for the calc, so it can really just CM in its face and watch it do nothing about it. Then you try to be clever and switch out or Roost, so I laugh and put a sub up.
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Lolwat? Of course Moltres is Timid. You do know SR is included in these calcs? And assuming low rolls makes it a 3HKO, you still have to avoid Air Slash flinch.

Or I can just shit on you with Spiritomb since you're running lolPsychic/Power Gem and sweep later with your "special wall" out of the way.
 
The problem I have with using Grumpig is that it shares the weaknesses of Slowking but none of the benefits (Water-type check). It's one benefit is avoiding being OHKOed by Venusaur (which is big, I guess), but you can't take too many / you'll still be slept.
 
Hi my team doesn't have Milotic/Registeel so I'm going to lose to Hail-Scarf-Blizzard-Spam teams.

Brb switching to my team that has Milotic/Registeel -___-
 
I really need to say that Hypno is more useful than Grumpig overall (seeing that both has similar stats).
You trade a good Moltres counter for a far more versatile poke. It even has both Trick and Switcheroo! heh.

Also, it's not total Pursuit bait when you have Baton Pass with you (but then you lose Wish...).

I would like to use a NP Wish Hypno to see how it goes.
Or not.
 
Meru said:
Hi my team doesn't have Milotic/Registeel so I'm going to lose to Hail-Scarf-Blizzard-Spam teams.

Brb switching to my team that has Milotic/Registeel -___-
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yeah, I've noticed a few of these, and they are quite annoying to deal with if you use a somewhat frail offensively inclined team.
 
Meru said:
Lolwat? Of course Moltres is Timid. You do know SR is included in these calcs? And assuming low rolls makes it a 3HKO, you still have to avoid Air Slash flinch.
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Timid has no chance to 2HKO Special Sweeper Grumpig with anything, so I was assuming you meant Modest. Plus, if I were the Moltres player, I'd rather not risk a Twave or allow him to get any CMs up before I can respond with the appropriate threat.

Also, I don't include hazards in all of my arguments (unless I'm lazy and want to say something is OHKOed at ~87%), since I can say from personal experience that they're never 100% guaranteed in any given match, especially not in UU. Of course, Stealth Rock plays a considerable role in all of competitive Pokemon, but if you have any experience using Pokemon especially weak to SR, you'll notice how it's not really all that hard to keep off the field for most of the match if you even bother to. Taunt, Rapid Spin, and offensive pressure can often leave your opponent without a single spare moment to set anything up.

Or I can just shit on you with Spiritomb since you're running lolPsychic/Power Gem and sweep later with your "special wall" out of the way.
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lol yeah, maybe if Grumpig were my only answer to Moltres. 90 base speed isn't exactly fantastic, so I can still fend it off with a good scarfer, Arcanine, Houndoom, or almost anything else faster. Also, I've played against a Sucker Punch/Pursuit Spiritomb before. If they stuff up their prediction, Grumpig can switch out and live to wall another day.

You probably underestimate Grumpig because you haven't seen it in action, but I've have decent experiences with it, and having the ability to counter Moltres, support your team, and still be decently fast all at once opens up a lot of venues for it. You should try it out.
 
The offensive hail teams are amusing. You just need two ice resists and smart play to beat them (unlike rain offense...)
It's even worse for them if I happen to be using one of my Jynx teams, hehe
 
Meru said:
Hi my team doesn't have Milotic/Registeel so I'm going to lose to Hail-Scarf-Blizzard-Spam teams.

Brb switching to my team that has Milotic/Registeel -___-
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Yeah I did see this today, and an oddly high number of hail teams. But if you DO have Regilotic and a Trick absorber they fail hard.
 
Yea bold is best imo if you are using it as a mixed wall it also allows hypno to not be so afraid of pursuit. I used a calm mind hypno that was pretty sweet.
 
So we're talking about special walls huh... What about Regigigas?

Does 110/110/110 defenses are nearly unmatched in UU. Yeah he's defensive movepool is ass, and slow start kills he's speed but he can serve as effective wall/parafusioner.


Regigigas
Item: Leftovers
Nature: 252 HP / 176 SpD / 80 Def
-Return
-Confuse Ray
-Substitute / Earthquake
-Thunder Wave


It requires some pursuit support because ghosts wall you, (but you'll cripple them badly if they switch into you) and it acts as a fearsome Wall / Sweeper.

(It's a shame he doesn't get any recovery moves)
 
The problem with Regiggas as a wall is his typing. Chansey/Blissey get away with it due to general blobishness and Clefable gets away with it due to a support movelist longer than LickyLicky's tongue, but pure defenses aren't enough to different Regiggas from those two because it's a Normal type which has crap-all for resistances.
 
If I recall correctly Regigigas doesn't get Substitute.

EDIT: I recall incorrectly. However, Regigigas doesn't get any decent recovery moves whatsoever. Not even Rest. If you want to be a wall, you need a way to recover more than just Leftovers and unfortunately Drain Punch just isn't good enough.
 
Yeah that's true. But it can sweep when the moment presents itself with parafusion.
It also act's as a one time wall (it isn't 2HKOed by Moltres' fire blast)

My main point wasn't talking about his walling (which he isn't that good at) it was the parafusion he offered and potential sweep. Sorry If I wasn't clear...

And Objection, before you object (snicker) I mentioned that it doesn't get recovery moves in my post..
No disrespect Objection, I just wanted to make that joke
 
I would use Lickilicky over Regigigas. Sure, it gets less bulk (but come on, 110/95 are huge), but it has a broaden movepool that includes Wish.
It doesn't get Thunder Wave, and has to compete with Clefable's Magic Guard though.
Due to Magic Gaurd (and movepool just as great as Lickilicky), despite it's worse stats Clefable ends being the superior one after all...

Of course, i'm comparing all the normal type pokes.
 
When did this thread die >_>

Probably the best "new" Pokemon I've been using so far is SubCM Entei (Sub/CM/Lava Plume/HP Electric). Beats Chansey easily, beats Non-Haze Milotic, beats Moltres (don't switch in, air slash hurts), generally gives balance some major issues because it burns anything that tries to break its subs. Arcanine doesn't even mess it up because Pressure drains it of Extremespeed really fast and HP Electric does respectable damage.
 
I've experimented a little with Lickilicky, and I love the thing already. You can't say no to the strongest Explosion in the game. The only problem is the lack of instant recovery... Sure, there's Wish, but you need Protect for best effect there. And you'll probably want Curse or SD too...
 
I used SubCM Entei last round, but the Milotic problems really annoy me. I used Flamethrower instead of Lava Plume for more power though.

Oh @PK: Regigigas sucks because all he does is rely on hax to win. If I want to induce rage and abuse hax, I'd sooner use Dunsparce.
 
Uh... Well he really just needs to stall out those Slow Start turns, because when SS disappears he's actually an offensive powerhouse. Sure, he needs *hax* to burn off a turn, but come on! Parafusion gives the opponentnt a 37.5% chance of moving. There's a high chance of your opponent not moving. Dunsparce has got worse stats all around and it can't act as a pseudo wall either. Sure it has Serene grace for more h4x but that's really it's only advantage.



Hmm... so we're back to SubCM Entei? I've only used it a couple of time's but it was pretty fun. EV spreads anyone? (I ran 252 Hp / 252 Spe ) Again, I didn't use it much so if i've been using the wrong moveset I would appreciate it.
 
PK Gaming said:
Uh... Well he really just needs to stall out those Slow Start turns, because when SS disappears he's actually an offensive powerhouse. Sure, he needs *hax* to burn off a turn, but come on! Parafusion gives the opponentnt a 37.5% chance of moving. There's a high chance of your opponent not moving. Dunsparce has got worse stats all around and it can't act as a pseudo wall either. Sure it has Serene grace for more h4x but that's really it's only advantage.
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He's not even really a powerhouse either since, if youre using a defensive parafusion set, he's still pretty slow (slower than base 80s) and is hitting about as hard as a Scyther. Still decently powerful, but not a 'powerhouse' and still slow (does have those great defenses though). Rhyperior is a "better" Regigigas imo.
 
@ Entei discussion: i prefer Sleep Talk CM Entei, i always said that. I really suggest for people to try it, it's impressive as long as you avoid the prick that is Houndoom (Milotic without Haze or LO can be stalled out. I did numerous times).

I believe no one tried this. I never ever seen one against me.
 
Claydol has never really been great/ common, so I dont know what happened to it. And since it's a spinner that's weak to ghosts and can be pursuited, you can see why it's not so used.
 
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