Objection vs EndQuote at someplace other the the ASB Arena :D

[Objection]

You'll survive ... for now ...

Bounce - Dive - Bounce

 

[EndQuote]

Wow. Those were some of the worst actions I've ever issued.
I really need to stop issuing actions while tired.

 

[Frosty]

Item: Amulet Coin
HP: 70
EN: 80
3/2/3/2/60
Other: +1def for 2r, toxic (-2hp)

HP: 56
EN: 64
1/2/3/2/45
Other:
Item: Life Orb
​

HAIL


"Now that was a bad round for Endquote..."

Übelbär: "Reuniiclus" (translation:True dat. But hey, at least the first bounce missed!)

"But the other two attacks hit and none of Venonat's attacks did"

Übelbär: "Reuniiclus" (translation: Details. Also I changed the weather to Clear)

"Thanks. I was freezing out here".

Übelbär: "Reuniiclus" (translation: you wuss)

data

Wailmer: Bounce for 10.67 energy
-2hp due to hail
-2hp due to toxic

Venonat: Venoshock: miss for 7 energy
-2hp due to hail

Wailmer: Bounce: miss
Hit: 98/100 (miss)

Wailmer: Dive for 9 energy
-2hp due to hail
-2hp due to toxic

Venonat: Giga Drain: miss for 12 energy
-2hp due to hail

Wailmer: Dive: 8 + 3 + 1.5 = 12.5 damage
Crit: 14/16 (no)

Wailmer: Bounce for 10.67 energy
-2hp due to hail
-2hp due to toxic

Venonat: Venoshock: miss for 7 energy
-2hp due to hail

Wailmer: Bounce: (9+1.5)*1.5=15.75 damage
Hit: 54/100 (hit)
Crit: 10/16 (no)
Paralysis: 9/10 (no)

Weather: 1/8 (clear)

Item: Amulet Coin
HP: 58
EN: 50
3/2/3/2/60
Other: +1def for 1r, toxic (-3hp)

HP: 22
EN: 38
1/2/3/2/45
Other:
Item: Life Orb
​

Clear Weather

Objection's Turn!

EDIT at below:

Whoops, forgot. fixed.

 

[Objection]

Um, you forgot to change the energies of both mons. I think Wailmer should have 49 energy and Venonat should have 38.

Anyway, Surf - Earthquake - Zen Headbutt
If he uses Swagger not as part of a combo, change that action to Bounce and push actions back.
If he uses Sleep Powder not as part of a combo, change that action to Bounce and push actions back.

EDIT: Reordered.

 

[EndQuote]

Edit: Reorder awaiting...

 

[Frosty]

I was about to post the final outcome, but I figured two things went wrong (my mistakes):

1) I forgot Life Orb for 2 turns
2) I forgot to update the energy as Objection has pointed out.

Since EndQuote's actions were posted after I fixed the energy, I am afraid I need you both to reorder.

I am deeply sorry. I forgot way too much stuff on this battle...

 

[EndQuote]

Should Wailmer have one less HP from the first turn Toxic was used?

 

[Frosty]

?

Toxic took 2hp (2 turns) on the round it was used. That was accounted for.

EDIT: K, understood. Fixed.

 

[EndQuote]

Morning Sun ~ Bide ~ Hold

 

[Frosty]

Item: Amulet Coin
HP: 58
EN: 50
3/2/3/2/60
Other: +1def for 1r, toxic (-3hp)

HP: 22
EN: 38
1/2/3/2/45
Other:
Item: Life Orb
​

Clear Weather

Monstro attacked with Surf, Atlas recovered some hp with Morning Sun and then begins storing energy with Bide as Monstro attacks with Earthquake and Zen Headbutt.

data

Wailmer: Surf: 10 + 3 + 1.5 = 14.5 damage for 6 energy
Crit:12
-3hp due to toxic

Venonat: Morning Sun: +25hp for 15 energy

Venonat: Bide

Wailmer: Earthquake: 10 + 1.5 = 11.5 damage for 7 energy
Crit:15
-3hp due to toxic

Venonat: Storing Energy

Wailmer: Zen Headbutt: (8 + 1.5)*1.5= 14.25 damage for 6 energy
Hit:2
Crit:2
-3hp due to toxic

Weather: 3/3 (thunderstorm)

Item: Amulet Coin
HP: 49
EN: 31
3/2/3/2/60
Other: toxic (-4hp)

HP: 7
EN: 23
1/2/3/2/45
Other:
Item: Life Orb
​

EndQuote's Turn

 

[EndQuote]

Release Bide and hope my calculations are correct ~ Venoshock ~ Venoshock

 

[Objection]

(11.5 + 14.25) * 1.75 = 45.0625

Brine x 3 and I think we tie. Unless the battle just ends the very instant one trainer's last mon faints and stuff like Toxic and weather don't happen when that happens, but I personally think stuff like Toxic and weather should still happen.

 

[Frosty]

I'll go with in game precedent which is:

the battle ends as soon as the move that KO'd the last pokemon ends. In this case that move is Bide (as it depletes all energy). Which is why Life Orb Recoil (or recoil in general AFAIK) can result in a tie, as they happen during a move, but status or weather can't as they happen after all moves.

Besides it is rather illogical for a ref to wait for the surviving pokemon to hit the fallen one, suffer from poison, then from weather before declaring the winner. It is feasible to imagine that when there are other pokemon, but on the last matchup, where the trainer of the pokemon that lasts a second longer wins, that wait is not really logical IMO.

EDIT: @below: fair enough.

So...

Venonat used Bide!
Damage: (11.5+14.25)*1.75= 45hp
Energy: 6 + 45/2 = 28.5

Venonat fainted due to exhaustion!

Wailmer lost 4hp due to poison

Wailmer fainted!

Its a Tie!

Item: Amulet Coin
HP: KO
EN: KO
3/2/3/2/60
Other: toxic (-4hp)

HP: KO
EN: -6
1/2/3/2/45
Other:
Item: Life Orb
​

Prizes:
Objection:3CC
Yanma: 1EC, 3MC, 1DC
Wailmer: 1EC, 2MC, 1DC, 2KOC

EndQuote:2CC
Golett: 1EC, 3MC, 1DC, 1KOC
Venonat: 1EC, 2MC, 1DC, 1KOC

Frosty: 4UC

 

[Objection]

Actually, I got Word of Deck on this and here's what he said:

<%Objection> if one trainer's last mon KOs another trainer's last mon but would then faint due to, say, Toxic, is that a tie or a win for the mon that got the KO?
<~Deck_Knight> It'd be a tie if both end when that particular action completes.
<~Deck_Knight> But if say a mon KO's another mon on action 1 and has 3 HP with 2 HP Burn, even though it'd faint at the before the end of the round, it isn't KO'd that action.
<%Objection> but if it was left with 1 HP and a 2 HP burn, it would get KO'd that action?
<~Deck_Knight> Yes, Objection

So, Wailmer should get KO'd at the end of the action and Venonat should get 1 KOC.

Anyway, gg EndQuote.

 

[EndQuote]

gg, Objection. I'm surprised I even managed to force a tie after my horrible actions two rounds back.
Thanks for reffing, Frosty!

 

[Frosty]

Fair enough. Fixed.