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NOC OC NOC GAME OVER - Now Despair
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Persuade forces me to lynch as directed by whoever the persuader is
One could believe you're grasping at straws but in fact people decided not to accept lynching someone they townread, or decided it was fine as scum to lynch one town over another.
Blazade's insistance for a massclaim is making me question my big townread on him and I don't believe we actually have much to gain from claiming now. If anyone should claim in that regard it is mailbox guy.
I think the topic was tackled late d2
I'm in favour of a mass claim as well, much easier to gain credible information.
As for the pubinspect it's either accurate or its a crier role being used as a pubinspect. No other options.
As for the pubinspect it's either accurate or its a crier role being used as a pubinspect. No other options.
tentatively against a massclaim but i need to think about it
pros: we can coordinate actions? except if scum have the roles to counter it this could backfire horrendously
cons: obviously reveals all of our roles lol. also doesn't really help with cleaning people given that it's closed setup
lw and fort have an interesting relationship and i'm going to take a look at that later
pros: we can coordinate actions? except if scum have the roles to counter it this could backfire horrendously
cons: obviously reveals all of our roles lol. also doesn't really help with cleaning people given that it's closed setup
lw and fort have an interesting relationship and i'm going to take a look at that later
This is interesting actually since that means that whoever persuaded you expected asek to survive. Now the question is where did the persuade come from and why would they make you target asek in particular since he seemed like a very strong townread by most.
Also asks the question of if they knew asek would be dead by the time I could lynch him if it's a scum role
OK, well at the very least I want mail guy and Mason claims
Walrein+Martin+Mail guy+mason is a lot of actual confirmed town and I suspect we'll find a few more from roles but I can definitely clear more in my mind from scumhunting and gt some actual PoE going on idlers/bandwagoners/detached people I've been seeing. This shit blows up.
Last night I was thinking on lightwolf though and I disliked not only the moody puch, but his timing and illegitimacy with his intentions. He put a vote on for pressure with no intention of moving it or the wagon, asked a follow up series mere minutes before deadline, and blamed anyone for not suggesting real wagons earlier at the time he was supposedly still investigating. This kind of timing shit is exactly what he pulled in DBZ and regardless of shubaka's flip I stand by my move(why people followed a Texas randwagon minutes before instead of my attempt to give an alternative in pancake hours earlier I'll never know)
Additionally I never put much stock in Lightwolf's arguments against moody, and found that he was picking apart logic instead of discerning how those contradictions lead to scummy actions and motivation. On the one hand pressuring over a statement about joke posts is one way to catch someone in a lie but in actuality he beat the issue over the head and kept focusing on Moody's floundering in the argument.
Re: pubinspect if it's not clear based on the nature of the timing of the announcement I think it's very possible this is a question asker type role(hint: massclaim is helpful if you guys still don't see it), that doesn't "target" lightwolf per se but instead asks a question of the host. Very tangentially I think pancake's flashvote could be a sign of him knowing LW is scum and not wanting to appear hesitant but that's reaching and conjecture.
So yeah, I'm totally down to lynch LW today but I think there's a ton of ground to be made discussing events at least.
Walrein+Martin+Mail guy+mason is a lot of actual confirmed town and I suspect we'll find a few more from roles but I can definitely clear more in my mind from scumhunting and gt some actual PoE going on idlers/bandwagoners/detached people I've been seeing. This shit blows up.
Last night I was thinking on lightwolf though and I disliked not only the moody puch, but his timing and illegitimacy with his intentions. He put a vote on for pressure with no intention of moving it or the wagon, asked a follow up series mere minutes before deadline, and blamed anyone for not suggesting real wagons earlier at the time he was supposedly still investigating. This kind of timing shit is exactly what he pulled in DBZ and regardless of shubaka's flip I stand by my move(why people followed a Texas randwagon minutes before instead of my attempt to give an alternative in pancake hours earlier I'll never know)
Additionally I never put much stock in Lightwolf's arguments against moody, and found that he was picking apart logic instead of discerning how those contradictions lead to scummy actions and motivation. On the one hand pressuring over a statement about joke posts is one way to catch someone in a lie but in actuality he beat the issue over the head and kept focusing on Moody's floundering in the argument.
Re: pubinspect if it's not clear based on the nature of the timing of the announcement I think it's very possible this is a question asker type role(hint: massclaim is helpful if you guys still don't see it), that doesn't "target" lightwolf per se but instead asks a question of the host. Very tangentially I think pancake's flashvote could be a sign of him knowing LW is scum and not wanting to appear hesitant but that's reaching and conjecture.
So yeah, I'm totally down to lynch LW today but I think there's a ton of ground to be made discussing events at least.
Yeah hm. Then this is still a mess since we absolutely need to figure out what is up with in pub inspect. Maybe there's some weird interaction going on but regardless without clearing it up then we're still at an impasse and you/fort aren't better off
Why would scum be more okay with lynching Cancerous or Shubaka. If you are village we can assume it was town who affected the lynch, if you are scum then scum likely stepped in to save you. Scum has no reason to intervene in your favour since you have been the more active lynch option from the bunch anyways.
Yeah persuaded to vote for asek definitely looks fishy
That is a valid point but it requires us to trust you
Nah creating TvT especially in a tight situation is very advantageous for scum because people start doing shit like this while the scum are randomly distributed.
Maybe they hoped to see what you're trying to do happening : me getting lynched after shubaka was.
I'm night immune, I have been both nights, this has been supported by Texas both times, and he is the most impartial person in this discussion considering the pub inspect cleared him. The pub inspect therefore never had a chance to inspect me, the end. How hard is it to realise there is no pub inspect it's just an announcer role trying to get clever. There is but no reason to believe they are legit, and continued discussion is just a time wasted at this point.
make himself look cleaner? create paranoia about a persuader role that may or may not actually exist?
i find it more likely that scum persuader just wanted a neutral vote nullification, but texas lying certainly isn't an outlandish possiblity
That is not my argument, at all. Of course mafia wants TvT lynches. My argument is, if scum had a choice why specifically go out of their way and vote off not moody two times? Moody's reasoning matters even less because the opposite is true and we'd look heavily at shubaka too if he was mislynched instead. Again if I have a 100% chance at lynching one and a 60 of lynching the other later, as a scum I'd lynch Moody there not shubaka. Also this discussion is pointless as I merely disagreeing with the fact scum would have an OBVIOUS preference on who to lynch.
Yes that is weird for such a wagon to gather and save me
Now what I think is happening is
a) town saved me, perhaps one scum hopping along to even it out
b) scum decided that saving and townreading me would make them look good and confuse town
Now what I think is happening is
a) town saved me, perhaps one scum hopping along to even it out
b) scum decided that saving and townreading me would make them look good and confuse town
Yeah no, A provide a case
B in what world is that question asker? A question asker would receive yes or no answer, not announce statements like I'm not village, Texas is village. If it was a question asker it'd be formatted way differently.
Town reading shubaka has the same result in that case. Either way there is no point to your post here, as it's only taking into account your point of view, which is dishonest to those suspecting you. Please in the future try to address if you are scum situations too or else people like me will constantly interject and say "or you are scum and...".
Okay, if something like this gets posted next time I'm busy rereading past days, somebody please ping me! I just wasted two hours reading through Light's D1 and D2 interactions.
I'm willing to believe Color since 1) it'd be a waste of PR power to proof test something like that and 2) unintentional proof testing already happened on N2.
Of course, this means Texas isn't cleared. Still have to read out from 683, gonna catch up before posting again.
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