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Asek said:
personally id rather kill knights earlier rather then laters as theres a certain king maker aspect to acid phoenix's role wjilst knights is up
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He's my preferred target for tomorrow, I've reconsidered the strength of the persuade vs the strength of the redirect

Much as I'd rather not keep haruno around to yell at me
 
I (obviously) called out knights on his lies and given nothing he said about me was verifiable attempted to prove that the things he said about himself were lies

Paperblade and sort of Asek came in support of me and no one else really seems to care
 
acidphoenix said:
how is there a kingmaker role to my ability while I still have a chance to win

The only way I have multiple options for which faction to win with is if one of blazade or Martin is a neutral, if they're both town I can only win with town, if one is scum I can only win with mafia

I actually /become/ a kingmaker presence once a target dies and I've made it clear I will side with whichever faction I don't feel is responsible
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whilst knights is up you have no obligation to vote with village as you can still win with mafia... correct?

unless you need all your targets up to win which is never happening

once knights is gone you have no reason to side with mafia
 
KnightsofCydonia said:
Did anyone use the phrase "dangerous neutral" before I did? I was referring to the Vanilla Fairy over there with their kill quota pinging my scumdar.

Also, my vote's on said dangerous neutral now. #Priorities
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Don't waste your time on me lmao. I already explained why it's pointless for both town or scum to kill me. I'll leave the game on my own when/if I achieve my wincon and you don't need to get in my way by any means nor would it be wise to do so.

KnightsofCydonia said:
That being said, if the redirector isn't an additional ability of Martin/Acid/Fairy, then that would make for four neutrals. And good luck trying to tell me Voodoo/Witch/Redirector is a Townie role.
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I have no redirecting ability I'm aware of and never did.

KnightsofCydonia said:
Okay, MafiaWiki confirms that. I'm so used to seeing them as 3rd party because they throw monkey wrenches in everyone's gears. Considering the redirector has hit both scum and Town, I want to go to my personal default on the role's faction.

This is what I know: Blank handled the kill on N1. Both his main target (Light) and his backup (think it was Acid) failed and the player who turned up dead was Walrein.
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That's a nice try, but I'll have you know I was the one who killed Walrein. Your scumbuddy wasn't redirected and you know it.

Texas Cloverleaf said:
Scum slip (as if we needed more confirmation)

Martin is generally town read and not seen as a neutral. Knights forgets pancake flipped neutral and lumps Martin in with the neutral pool. Who's the only other proponent of Martin as neutral? Scum!haruno
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Same thoughts here.

KnightsofCydonia said:
Also, Acid, stop playing the well-meaning saint and acting like Mod tied your hands here. You did choose me, back when you were first picking your posse, back when players were calling me scummy for posting RQS. It's on you for picking me anyway when I was pinging scumdars, so stop trying to wriggle out of the guilt trip.
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...idk what you're trying to accomplish here mate.

Texas Cloverleaf said:
He's my preferred target for tomorrow, I've reconsidered the strength of the persuade vs the strength of the redirect

Much as I'd rather not keep haruno around to yell at me
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Actually I disagree on two things.
1. Mafia's redirect (which is almost certainly either mafia's or acid's from my pov) would inevitably fuck with someone's night action and should be a priority right now.
2. Haruno is unlikely to be the scum redirector since the night he claimed to have been redirected, it was to you (which iirc was confirmed, though by a Watcher and not a Tracker) and not to Fort, who also claimed to have been redirected...
 
Fairy MMM said:
2. Haruno is unlikely to be the scum redirector since the night he claimed to have been redirected, it was to you (which iirc was confirmed, though by a Watcher and not a Tracker) and not to Fort, who also claimed to have been redirected...
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Elaborate on this? This isn't a series of events I remember and it diverges with the lack of anyone claiming to have been redirected last night, the same night I roleblock haruno
 
Asek said:
i get them at the beginning of the night cycle, i then submit my message which is read at the beginning of the day cycle (assuming im alive)
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Aw really? I was hoping you'd get it today ._. oh well it could be worse.

Texas Cloverleaf said:
Elaborate on this? This isn't a series of events I remember and it diverges with the lack of anyone claiming to have been redirected last night, the same night I roleblock haruno
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Was it the night before? I'm not sure anymore but I remember reading that one night both Fort and (after Watcher said he visited you) Haruno claimed to be redirected.

Texas Cloverleaf said:
Fwiw I don't think the redirect is any more of a threat than Knights's hook
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Yeah actually ignore me I forgot the bit where Knights had a roleblock, I'm bad at backreading as you can see <.<
 
Fort and Haruno definitely claimed to be redirected at the same time and that (iirc) was the first trigger that made him be seriously looked at as scum but I don't recall anything else associated with that that you said
 
Haruno was actually the player who tipped the votes out of balance yesterday. BT just hammered the coffin in further.

Moodycloud fucked around before that, and BT was trying to not partially maybe fuck around. But the final tiebreaker was still Haruno's vote
 
Fort Colorcastle said:
fuck off. I protect who I want. this is feeling like OMGUS. The same OMGUS you've been pulling every time you're suspected.
Actually, this post made me not protect whydon.

Plane builder could, depending on if he's told the status of his plane and/or if progress was made, have been a sort of bloodhound++.

There are too many protective and investigative roles in this game. Way too many.


^^^^

Those were remnants of yesterday

But lol when I get redirected to whydon anyways.
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Haruno said:
Probably got redirected onto texas shrug. Or moody is lying. Since I idled last night so it's likely that redirector made me target texas regardless of my actions or whatnot and seeing as how this game is about fucking up info, I can see how that would work given how we had shit like idle checker, multiple protection roles etc.
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Aubisio said:
Possible scenario: scum redirector directed me to scumbuddy, and they have two kills this night? Or two of whatever action?
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This was the redirect thing... surely not all three of them could have been redirected?
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
No we pretty much agreed aubisio wasn't redirected

Fort we agreed was probably redirected once he was town cleared by the cop

Leaving haruno as a liar
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Yes, but my point was that unless Haruno tried to kill you and failed, he can't be the redirector, since he'd have needed to target Fort instead of you - unless he was performing a different second action. And as far as I know you had no protection that night though then again I didn't reread the entire thing.
What is Aubisio's ability, again?
 
Confirming Former for the second time
Fairy MMM said:
Yes, but my point was that unless Haruno tried to kill you and failed, he can't be the redirector, since he'd have needed to target Fort instead of you - unless he was performing a different second action. And as far as I know you had no protection that night though then again I didn't reread the entire thing.
What is Aubisio's ability, again?
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Aubisio is an uncounterclaimed mason brother and doubler

Really this is all moot anyway, if BT flips the redirect we know where it is, if he doesn't we know its on haruno barring it showing up after haruno's death
 
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