Tournament OLT VII Discussion Thread

Corazan

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Team I mostly used for my run :
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I didnt touch the game since the mag/cind bans so when I joined cycle 3 I struggled a bit and I took it as a test. I was trying to make some new solid teams but it always came down to hippo/ttar sand, so I tried the good old skarmbliss core. This pult set allows you to annoy BO and most of all, stall. Skarmbliss is a p standard defensive core and its even better paired with a physdef clef considering that they struggle a lot against zeraora & urshifu. Urshifu water is one of the best thing you can have against HO and his typing is way more appreciated than the dark one here, its also amazing paired with hazards stack. Finally rotoms a great answer to togekiss and mixed aegi which are p common threats right now, it also pressure the steels such as skarm/corv/ferro. This team is very solid overall but id say you have to be very carefull against hatt and draining kiss primarina.

Some replays :
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8ou-1181655566-c48lgvvi6xyr3ue33kpaa3eqiugj1y7pw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8ou-1181903035-ghz2zi7wnts3nidn9ma1ozutuhzt4t0pw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8ou-1182145936-1n8c6y1lg6onyqnkzbsdagldn82n7vqpw

Thanks for reading!
 
Ruft

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And with that, the final cycle of this year's OLT has concluded! Here are a few metagame observations:

- Excadrill has been a consistently popular pick throughout all four cycles, but it's interesting to note how the way it's been most prominently used has changed over time. At the start, it was a common utility Pokemon, often running both Stealth Rock and Rapid Spin, on balance and offensive teams alike. Then, with hyper offense surging in popularity, it was often used as a suicide lead. Now, with sand teams running rampant, its main role has returned to being a threatening win condition and revenge killer under sand. Speaking of which...
- Tyranitar's surge in usage has shown no signs of slowing down. As a special wall with a very versatile movepool, be it hazards, status, physical or special moves, it's not hard to mold it to the needs of your team. After a two month stint in UU, the former king of OU is back for its throne.
- Another notable trend is how a vast amount of teams use Zeraora as speed control. As many people opt to not run a +Speed nature on Dragapult, it is possible to run an Adamant (or Modest) nature on Zeraora while still fulfilling its role of speed control. The momentum it can garner with Volt Switch and the utility it provides with Knock Off remain not to be underestimated, while Close Combat importantly hits both members of the aforementioned prominent Tyranitar + Excadrill sand core. The prevalence of Corviknight and Skarmory is yet another point in its favor.
- While we've mentioned its Spell Tag set before, Aegislash is often seen running a mixed Substitute set with Leftovers as well. This eases prediction and often makes it even harder for balance or stall teams to deal with, as it is able to find many opportunities to set up a Substitute on common Pokemon like Corviknight and Amoonguss. There are not many Pokemon that can tank its attacking combo of Shadow Ball, Flash Cannon, and Close Combat, especially since both STAB attacks can drop the target's Special Defense.

Here is a collection of teams that have seen some good success on the OLT ladder this cycle:
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ShootingStarmie

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Here are some metagame trends I'm noticing while watching OLT games.

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Will-O-Wisp Dragapult

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Offensive Rhyperior

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Future Sight Reuniclus

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Galar Weezing

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Tangrowth

Will O Wisp Dragapult with Substitute is gaining notoriety as it functions in a similar manner to Thunder Wave Dragapult, but can cripple the likes of Tyranitar and Tangrowth. Rhyperior is seeing a lot of usage, and usually takes the role of a wallbreaker with Choice Band or Swords Dance. This is probably in response to bulky Tyranitar and Toxapex teams. Reuniclus is another Pokemon that takes advantage of Toxapex's popularity, as it can consistently switch in on Toxapex and fire off powerful Future Sights. Galar Weezing was used by Storm Zone in every match, while also seeing some usage in other games. When I asked Storm about it, he basically said it was for Urshifu, which his opponent Soul Wind actually brought every game. Lastly, Tangrowth is seeing a bunch of usage, acting as a great answer to Tyranitar and Excadrill. One thing to note is that Amoonguss hasn't seen much usage at all, probably because of its Poison-typing being somewhat redundant with Toxepex, while also taking neutral damage from Earthquake.

What trends are you guys seeing?
 
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The above replays as well as future replays can also be found in this thread hosted by Vileman.
 
ShootingStarmie

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Metagame trends for round 2:


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- Chandelure saw some good usage this in round 2, for its ability to beat other bulky sweepers such as Volcarona, Clefable, and Reuniclus, and match up well against bulky offense teams that are very popular this round. A perfect example of this is displayed in this game here.

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- Reuniclus also saw very good usage, as thanks to its amazing ability and good bulk, its ability to constantly act as a switch in to passive Pokemon like Toxapex and fire off powerful Future Sights is very powerful. We also saw other sets, such as Flame Orb and Calm Mind, making Reuniclus a very flexible and somewhat unpredictable Pokemon.

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- Sub Will-o-Wisp Dragapult is everywhere, and is terrorizing bulkier teams, as thanks to its typing, speed, and threatening offensive capability, nothing can really stop it.

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- Drudigon made some appearances as a Stealth Rocker on offensive teams. My best guess for this is the combination of Rocky Helmet + Rough Skin can deter Rapid Spin users from removing hazards as easily, and Drudigon also has access to Taunt and Glare, supporting its slower teammates and crippling Excadrill.

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- Mamoswine saw some decent usage, which can be attributed to bulkier Tyranitar / Tangrowth / Toxapex teams running rampant, making it a good anti meta pick. With access to Stealth Rock, Heavy Slam, and Ice Shard, Mamoswine can offer decent utility with revenge killing threats and wallbreaking.

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Playoffs Round 3 Replays

2-0


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Unfortunately the last series in the 0-2 group, Eo Ut Mortus vs. Grandmaster Thug was never played, so there are no replays.​
 
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ShootingStarmie

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Jirachi saw increased usage this round with a multitude of sets. Just to list off a few sets we saw, we had Cosmic Power Weakness Policy, Sub CM, and Future Sight Jirachi all putting in work. Jirachi is an incredibly unpredictable and threatening Pokemon that can fill multiple roles.

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Primarina is gaining usage once again with it's SubCM set. While not as popular in the first 2 cycles, Primarina is making a comeback thanks to its ability to threaten bulkier teams, while using Defensive Clefable as set up bait.

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Hatterene is another CM user picking up in usage which has decent recovery in the form of Draining Kiss, as well as excellent utility with its ability Magic Bounce.

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Gastrodon has been used a lot more this round. Thanks to Sticky Hold and Clear Smog, it makes for an excellent switch into both Trick / Knock Off Clefable, and CM Thunder / Flamethrower variants.

We also saw some niche picks such as Talonflame and Drapion, which we also saw in the previous cycle. A lot of variation this round :smogduck:
 
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| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Clefable           |   63 |  82.89% |  47.62% |
| 2    | Dragapult          |   35 |  46.05% |  45.71% |
| 3    | Excadrill          |   20 |  26.32% |  50.00% |
| 3    | Urshifu-*          |   20 |  26.32% |  35.00% |
| 5    | Amoonguss          |   18 |  23.68% |  61.11% |
| 6    | Zeraora            |   15 |  19.74% |  66.67% |
| 6    | Corviknight        |   15 |  19.74% |  53.33% |
| 6    | Magnezone          |   15 |  19.74% |  53.33% |
| 6    | Tangrowth          |   15 |  19.74% |  40.00% |
| 10   | Kyurem             |   13 |  17.11% |  61.54% |
| 11   | Mandibuzz          |   12 |  15.79% |  50.00% |
| 11   | Toxapex            |   12 |  15.79% |  33.33% |
| 13   | Tyranitar          |   11 |  14.47% |  63.64% |
| 13   | Aegislash          |   11 |  14.47% |  45.45% |
| 13   | Rotom-Heat         |   11 |  14.47% |  36.36% |
| 16   | Skarmory           |   10 |  13.16% |  60.00% |
| 16   | Hippowdon          |   10 |  13.16% |  40.00% |
| 18   | Ferrothorn         |    9 |  11.84% |  44.44% |
| 18   | Blissey            |    9 |  11.84% |  22.22% |
| 20   | Rillaboom          |    8 |  10.53% |  50.00% |
| 20   | Hydreigon          |    8 |  10.53% |  50.00% |
| 22   | Rhyperior          |    7 |   9.21% |  57.14% |
| 22   | Reuniclus          |    7 |   9.21% |  57.14% |
| 22   | Volcarona          |    7 |   9.21% |  57.14% |
| 22   | Mantine            |    7 |   9.21% |  42.86% |
| 26   | Gastrodon          |    6 |   7.89% |  83.33% |
| 26   | Kommo-o            |    6 |   7.89% |  66.67% |
| 26   | Hatterene          |    6 |   7.89% |  66.67% |
| 26   | Jirachi            |    6 |   7.89% |  33.33% |
| 30   | Togekiss           |    5 |   6.58% |  60.00% |
| 30   | Primarina          |    5 |   6.58% |  60.00% |
| 32   | Scizor             |    4 |   5.26% |  25.00% |
| 33   | Bisharp            |    3 |   3.95% | 100.00% |
| 33   | Azumarill          |    3 |   3.95% |  66.67% |
| 33   | Mamoswine          |    3 |   3.95% |  33.33% |
| 33   | Zarude             |    3 |   3.95% |  33.33% |
| 33   | Slowbro            |    3 |   3.95% |  33.33% |
| 38   | Pelipper           |    2 |   2.63% |  50.00% |
| 38   | Weezing-Galar      |    2 |   2.63% |  50.00% |
| 38   | Ninetales-Alola    |    2 |   2.63% |  50.00% |
| 38   | Necrozma           |    2 |   2.63% |  50.00% |
| 38   | Ditto              |    2 |   2.63% |  50.00% |
| 38   | Heracross          |    2 |   2.63% |   0.00% |
| 38   | Mew                |    2 |   2.63% |   0.00% |
| 45   | Keldeo             |    1 |   1.32% | 100.00% |
| 45   | Incineroar         |    1 |   1.32% | 100.00% |
| 45   | Talonflame         |    1 |   1.32% | 100.00% |
| 45   | Cloyster           |    1 |   1.32% | 100.00% |
| 45   | Slowbro-Galar      |    1 |   1.32% | 100.00% |
| 45   | Druddigon          |    1 |   1.32% | 100.00% |
| 45   | Alakazam           |    1 |   1.32% | 100.00% |
| 45   | Chandelure         |    1 |   1.32% | 100.00% |
| 45   | Conkeldurr         |    1 |   1.32% | 100.00% |
| 45   | Chansey            |    1 |   1.32% | 100.00% |
| 45   | Gengar             |    1 |   1.32% | 100.00% |
| 45   | Drapion            |    1 |   1.32% | 100.00% |
| 45   | Snorlax            |    1 |   1.32% | 100.00% |
| 45   | Gyarados           |    1 |   1.32% | 100.00% |
| 45   | Kingdra            |    1 |   1.32% |   0.00% |
| 45   | Seismitoad         |    1 |   1.32% |   0.00% |
| 45   | Lycanroc-Dusk      |    1 |   1.32% |   0.00% |
| 45   | Cobalion           |    1 |   1.32% |   0.00% |
| 45   | Weavile            |    1 |   1.32% |   0.00% |
| 45   | Golisopod          |    1 |   1.32% |   0.00% |
| 45   | Diggersby          |    1 |   1.32% |   0.00% |

Some very interesting things can be seen in the stats from this round. For one, Clef has a whopping 83% usage. Second, Zeraora has comfortably the highest win-rate of any pokemon in the top 25 for usage. On the other hand, Blissey and Toxapex are numbers 1 and 2 when it comes to lowest win rate in that same bracket, and Pex is lowest of any mon that came 10 times or more. Meanwhile, Bisharp is the only pokemon to come more than once with a 100% win rate.

I'd go into depth as to what I think about them but I'd rather leave that to people who know more than me.
 
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From what i have gathered during OLT is that :torkoal: wasn't used once if i am not mistaken. I think weather-based teams are very matchup-fishy especially Sun and along with it rain, as :pelipper: doesn't see alot of Usage either and the winrate doesn't look great for Rain-Teams as well.
Sand with either :Tyranitar: and / or :hippowdon: takes the big piece of cake as a weather-based team-structure. Excadrill is easily the best weather-abuser with the traits to overwhelm Clefable which sees a shitton of usage not only in OLT but also in SSD.

Winrate Sun: None (didnt get used at all)
Winrate Rain: | 38 | Pelipper | 2 | 2.63% | 50.00% |


Hyper Offense seems to be in a neutral place overall during OLT. The Usage is relatively constant with Mew, Grimmsnarl, Alola-Ninetales or Necrozma as leads. :rillaboom: is pretty much on all Hyper Offensive-teams.


Others
Pokemon - which where used once - and didn't see any winratio at all:

| 45 | Kingdra | 1 | 1.32% | 0.00% |
| 45 | Seismitoad | 1 | 1.32% | 0.00% |
| 45 | Lycanroc-Dusk | 1 | 1.32% | 0.00% |
| 45 | Cobalion | 1 | 1.32% | 0.00% |
| 45 | Weavile | 1 | 1.32% | 0.00% |
| 45 | Golisopod | 1 | 1.32% | 0.00% |
| 45 | Diggersby | 1 | 1.32% | 0.00% |

Round 3 Overall!
Winners:
Amoonguss, Kyurem, Tyranitar, Skarmory, Hatterene
Losers:
Blissey, Toxapex, Rotom-Heat, Jirachi
 

Katy

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Thoughts on OLT Poffs R4:​

This Round of OLT Swiss, I recognized the following things:

  1. Hyper Offense Teams are still strong, Rillaboom has still a high winrate and is a strong pick alongside its best buddy Hawlucha.
  2. Hippowdon / Tyranitar in combination with Excadrill still stand out to me the most, Sand-based-teams are really a very strong pick and the dominant weather.
  3. Amoonguss has a solid Usage with checking Rillaboom, which leads Rillaboom to run more Acrobatics-sets with the Grassy-Seed to keep it going instantly under its own terrain.
  4. Some pokemon with upwards trending usage: :cobalion:, :zarude:, and :Mantine:!
  5. A lot of Double-Regenerator-Cores with Tangrowth + Toxapex or Amoonguss & Toxapex alongside Clefable for bulky and reliable teamstructures.

Some (kinda) mirror matches: Zesty43 vs Stareal Game 1 and Empo vs Luthier Game 2.​
 
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Katy

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Previous Round of OLT-Swiss:
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  1. :Mandibuzz: got used a lot in the previous and last Round of OLT Swiss, with a bumping 8 times, which is recognizeable.​
  2. Kyurem, Primarina, and Rillaboom continously prove that they are reliable, strong picks overall.​
  3. Hippowdon and Excadrill still remain as a good combination.​

Some Heat-Techs:
Giga Drain-Volcarona in Game 2 Empo vs. Sagiri.​
Druddigon and Flygon in Game 1 mncmt vs. Stareal​
Indeedee and Gyarados in Game 2 mncmt vs. Stareal​


Another almost mirror match: Game 1 beatiful vs. Juuls (share 3 of the same Pokemon; Clefable, Ferrothorn, Rotom-Heat)

Winner: Mandibuzz
 

Katy

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OLT Round 7:
Tricking ran the same Aurora Veil team twice with Rillaboom, Hawlucha, and Azumarill as his picks of choice on this team.

Hippowdown + Excadrill + Bisharp + Skarmory was ran by Empo in Game1 vs. Separation, which show how strong of a picks Steel-types are in general.
Furthermore Excadrill was used again in Game2 and also Game3, Excadrill is clearly one of the best picks during entire OLT, which its usage clearly shows.

Semifinals of OLT:
Beatiful ran the exact same team twice against Separation in the Semifinals being Araquanid / Cobalion / Excadrill / Dragapult / Weezing-Galar / Mandibuzz
Separation instead used another Aurora Veil team and also the team he used the round before against Empo in Game2 being Volcarona / Toxapex / Corviknight / Clefable / Tyranitar / Excadrill

Winners of Round 7 and Semifinals in OLT:
:ninetales-alola: (can work effectively with Veil)
:excadrill: (one of the very best picks during entire OLT)
:rillaboom: (also one of the best picks during OLT)
:hawlucha:

Observation overall:
Veil teams can work pretty well in the DLC1 metagame and Excadrill clearly is the best Steel-type overall in this metagame with acting as a great check to Clefable and being a strong option for speed-control with its abaility in Sand Rush.

Upcoming Finals:
Seperation and Tricking will be a hot finals as both players are very competent; Tricking should not be underestimated with the team choices he does and Separation can hold its own against Tricking, so it'll be hard to pick which 1 of them will take the Trophy home.
GL to both players.​
 
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