Gen 3 Omastar (Ubers) [QC 2/2] [GP: 1/1]

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[OVERVIEW]

Omastar is one of the premier rain sweepers in ADV Ubers, utilizing Swift Swim to outspeed most of the unboosted metagame in rain barring very fast Pokemon such as Ninjask and Deoxys-S, as well as Rayquaza with its unique Air Lock ability. Omastar exerts strong offensive pressure with its high Special Attack stat and punishes switches by laying down Spikes to wear down the opponent's team. Its Rock typing and high Defense also protects it from the premier revenge killer in the metagame, Deoxys-A, instead revenge killing it in rain. Offensive rain teams appreciate Omastar's wallbreaking ability and how it reliably forces progress through setting Spikes and using Thief to steal items, limiting the longevity of opposing teams. Omastar does suffer from having very low special bulk and weaknesses to common offensive types, meaning that many Pokemon it can't OHKO such as Latios, Mewtwo, and Groudon can easily take it out, neutering offensive potential from the teams Omastar finds itself on. It also faces some competition from Qwilfish, another Swift Swim user with access to Spikes and a useful tool in Self-Destruct.

[SET]
name: Spikes Setter
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Hydro Pump
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Thief
item: none
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

Omastar functions best as a revenge killer and should be used very offensively, forcing switches against weakened or offensive Pokemon and threatening bulky ones with its item displacement ability and Spikes. Fast-paced rain teams love Spikes and Omastar's wallbreaking wearing down and threatening defensive Pokemon. When boosted by rain, Hydro Pump is an incredibly powerful STAB option, being used over weaker, more accurate Water-type moves to achieve feats such as possibly 2HKOing specially bulky Pokemon like Deoxys-D and Jirachi. Ice Beam is used for Dragon-types like Latios, Latias, and the rare defensive Salamence, as well as bulky Water-resistant Pokemon like Celebi, being strong and having a good amount of PP to fire off in a longer game. Thief is a very useful move that Omastar is one of the few users of, being able to remove Leftovers from Pokemon like Blissey and Snorlax while holding no item, as well as the very important Soul Dew from Latios and Latias. This deters a lot of Pokemon from switching into Omastar making Thief a very effective and important part of its success. A Timid nature with 252 Speed EVs is used to outrun maximum Speed Deoxys-A in rain.

Team Options
========

Due to it succeeding best on offensively-inclined rain teams, Omastar's best partners are ones that can take advantage of it setting Spikes and stealing items to chip down common threats. Kyogre is a mandatory partner, being the only way to set permanent rain for Omastar to thrive in. With an extensive movepool, it can also pressure Blissey, Latios, and Latias, which Omastar loves having chipped or removed from the game. Petaya Berry Deoxys-A is another potent rain attacker, using mixed wallbreaking power with Superpower to threaten checks to Omastar such as Blissey and Snorlax while heavily denting others like Latias with boosted Ice Beam. Snorlax serves as a bulky check to offensive Pokemon that Omastar can't break past unless chipped, such as the Lati twins and Mewtwo, while appreciating Spikes wearing down its own checks like Forretress and Metagross. With Spikes being such a crucial part of Omastar's gameplan, Gengar works as a solid offensive spinblocker to deter Forretress, which can live a Hydro Pump from Omastar in rain. Gengar also has access to Thief, enabling a double Thief core that can displace multiple important items from the opponent.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Mystic Water and Toxic are both options Omastar can use instead of Thief, letting it hit harder and threaten poison on walls, respectively. The presence of Refresh Latios and Latias makes the latter much harder to pull off, though, with them threatening it out while no longer fearing losing an item. Protect Snorlax with Immunity can also take even Mystic Water-boosted hits while not fearing Toxic. A Modest nature can also be run to give Omastar more power while still outrunning maximum Speed neutral nature Deoxys-A, but no longer outspeeding maximum Speed positive nature Deoxys-A can be costly. A Petaya Berry set with Substitute can make Omastar a potent late-game sweeper, but it loses the utility of Thief or immediate damage from other options like Mystic Water.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Kyogre**: Kyogre—Omastar's best partner—is also one of its hardest walls. Hydro Pump does little damage even in rain, and Kyogre can threaten it with an OHKO from Surf or Hydro Pump, inflict paralysis with Thunder Wave, or heal off any damage Omastar does with Rest.

**Blissey**: Blissey easily survives multiple Hydro Pumps and can spread status or set up Light Screen to further wall Omastar. However, it hates having its Leftovers stolen by Thief and being worn down by Spikes as it switches in.

**Rayquaza**: Rayquaza can effectively disable Swift Swim with Air Lock, allowing it to outspeed Omastar and OHKO with Earthquake even in rain.

**Bulky Revenge Killers**: Omastar struggles to OHKO some very powerful but bulky Pokemon even in rain such as Mewtwo, the Lati twins, and Choice Band Snorlax or Metagross, meaning they can often force Omastar to switch out or sacrifice itself for some damage.

**Groudon**: Groudon setting sun makes Omastar essentially unviable, removing its revenge killing niche. Groudon can also easily outspeed Omastar in sun and OHKO it with Earthquake.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Fc, 511624]]
- Quality checked by: [[SuperEpicAmpharos,306959], [Lasen, 273339]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429]]
 
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I'd make note that Omastar's Rock typing allows it to avoid being revenged by Deo-A ESpeed.

The rest of it looks fine, make note of Modest on Omastar as well.
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You did a really good job describing Omastar's niche in Ubers at the moment.

I think Celebi might deserve a mention as a check that you can muscle through with Ice Beam + Spikes.

I subscribe to MMII's school of Petaya Omastar (VERY real set!) but other than that this looks good.

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[OVERVIEW]

Omastar is one of the premier rain sweepers in ADV Ubers, utilizing Swift Swim to outspeed most of the unboosted metagame in rain barring very fast Pokemon such as Ninjask and Deoxys-S, as well as Rayquaza with its unique Air Lock ability. With access to Spikes and a high natural (redundant?) Special Attack stat, Omastar exerts strong offensive pressure and punishes switches by laying down hazards to wear down the opponent. Its Rock-typing (RH) and high natural Defense also allows it to not get revenge killed by the helps against the premier revenge killer in the metagame, Deoxys-A, and instead revenge killing it in rain. (the repetition of "revenge kill" makes this really clunky, I think this works better?) Offensive rain teams appreciate its Omastar's wallbreaking ("breaking" isn't recognised by GP; if it isn't a wallbreaker find a different descriptor) ability and how it reliably forces progress through setting Spikes and using Thief to steal items, limiting the longevity of opposing teams. Omastar does suffer from having very low special bulk and weaknesses to common offensive types, meaning that many Pokemon it can't OHKO such as Latios, Mewtwo, or Groudon (subjective: emdashes before OHKO and ending here can help with flow) can easily take it out, removing a good deal of offense neutering offensive potential (is this right? just seemed a bit vague and unspecific) from the teams Omastar finds itself on. It also faces some competition from Qwilfish, another Swift Swim user with access to Spikes and a useful tool in Self Destruct.

[SET]
name: Spikes Setter
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Hydro Pump
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Thief
item: none
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

Omastar functions best as a revenge killer and is a Pokemon to be used very offensively, forcing switches and making progress with its myriad of offensive tools. ("making progress" is doing a lot of legwork here, try to be more specific. Do you mean like, forcing damage? If so, perhaps you could replace with just "damage" for cohesion with "forcing switches") Fast-paced (AH) rain teams love getting Spikes support to wear down defensive grounded Pokemon, and Omastar providing that while being an offensive wallbreaker is a great role to have on teams. When boosted by rain, Hydro Pump is an incredibly powerful STAB option, being used over weaker more accurate Water-type moves to achieve feats such as chances to 2HKO specially bulky Pokemon like Deoxys-D and Jirachi while hitting everything harder. (this seems relatively obvious/redundant, while lengthening an already long sentence) Ice Beam is used for Dragon-types like Latios, Latias, and the rare defensive Salamence, (AC) as well as bulky Water resists like Celebi is great coverage, being strong and having a good amount of PP to fire off attacks in a longer game. Thief while holding no item is a very useful trait that Omastar is one of the few users of, being able to remove Leftovers from Pokemon like Blissey and Snorlax, as well as the very important Soul Dew from Latios and Latias. This deters a lot of Pokemon from switching into Omastar due to this risk, (risk has already been established) making Thief a very effective and important part of its success. A Timid nature with 252 Speed EVs is used to outrun max Speed Deoxys-A in rain.

Team Options
========

Due to it succeeding best on offensively inclined rain teams, Omastar's best partners are ones that can take advantage of it setting Spikes and stealing items while chipping down common threats. Kyogre is a mandatory partner, being the only way to set permanent rain for Omastar to thrive in. With an extensive movepool, it can also pressure Blissey, Latios, and Latias, which Omastar loves having chipped or removed from the game. Petaya Berry Deoxys-A is another potent rain abuser, using mixed wallbreaking power with access to Superpower to threaten checks to Omastar such as Blissey and Snorlax while heavily denting others like Latias with boosted Ice Beam. Snorlax serves as a bulky check to offensive Pokemon that Omastar can't break past unless chipped such as the Lati twins and Mewtwo, while appreciating Spikes wearing down its own checks like Forretress and Metagross. With Spikes being such a crucial part of Omastar's gameplan, Gengar works as a solid offensive spinblocker to deter Forretress which can live a Hydro Pump from Omastar in rain. Gengar also has access to Thief, making for a double Thief core that can displace multiple important items from the opponent.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Mystic Water and Toxic are both options Omastar can use, letting it both hit harder and threaten poison on defensive walls. The presence of Refresh Latios and Latias makes this much harder to pull off, though, with them threatening it out while not fearing losing an item. (I think you miss something here; this is worded as if Thief has already been dropped, but this hasn't be prepositioned. While obvious to yourself, I think you should add something like "Because Omastar needs Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, and Spikes, Thief is the ideal move to drop" or something like that.) Protect Snorlax with Immunity can also take even Mystic Water boosted hits while not fearing Toxic. A Modest nature can also be run to give Omastar more power while still outrunning max Speed neutral nature Deoxys-A, but losing the Speed tier of above max Speed positive nature Deoxys-A can be costly. A Petaya Berry set with Substitute can make Omastar a potent late game sweeper, but it loses the utility of Thief or immediate damage from other options like Mystic Water.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Kyogre**: Kyogre—Omastar's best partner—is also one of its hardest walls. Hydro Pump does little damage even in rain, and Kyogre can threaten it with an OHKO from Surf or Hydro Pump, paralysis with Thunder Wave, or heal off any damage Omastar does with Rest.

**Blissey**: Blissey easily lives survives multiple Hydro Pumps and can spread status or set up Light Screen to further wall Omastar. However, it hates having its Leftovers stolen by Thief and being worn down by Spikes as it switches in.

**Rayquaza**: Rayquaza can ignore effectively disable (Rayquaza isn't exactly "ignoring" it, but neutering it. Largely semantics.) Swift Swim with Air Lock, (AC, flow) allowing it to outspeed Omastar and OHKO with Earthquake even in rain.

**Bulky Revenge Killers**: Omastar struggles to OHKO some very powerful but bulky Pokemon even in rain such as Mewtwo, the Lati twins, and Choice Band Snorlax or Metagross, meaning they can often force Omastar to switch out or sacrifice itself for some damage.

**Groudon**: Groudon setting sun makes Omastar fairly (are you sure this is the right word?) unviable, removing its Speed control niche. Groudon can also easily outspeed Omastar in sun and OHKO it. (with what? you should cite this.)

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Fc, 511624]]
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[OVERVIEW]

Omastar is one of the premier rain sweepers in ADV Ubers, utilizing Swift Swim to outspeed most of the unboosted metagame in rain barring very fast Pokemon such as Ninjask and Deoxys-S, as well as Rayquaza with its unique Air Lock ability. With access to Spikes and a high natural Special Attack stat, (feel free to play with this if you don't like the resulting flow) Omastar exerts strong offensive pressure with its high Special Attack stat and punishes switches by laying down hazards Spikes to wear down the opponent's team. Its Rock-typing (RH) and high natural Defense also allows it to not get revenge killed by the protects it from the premier revenge killer in the metagame, Deoxys-A, and instead revenge killing it in rain. (the repetition of "revenge kill" makes this really clunky, I think this works better?) (yes but what i did is slightly clearer i think) Offensive rain teams appreciate its Omastar's wallbreaking ("breaking" isn't recognised by GP; if it isn't a wallbreaker find a different descriptor) ability and how it reliably forces progress through setting Spikes and using Thief to steal items, limiting the longevity of opposing teams. Omastar does suffer from having very low special bulk and weaknesses to common offensive types, meaning that many Pokemon it can't OHKO such as Latios, Mewtwo, or and Groudon (subjective: emdashes before OHKO and ending here can help with flow) can easily take it out, removing a good deal of offense neutering offensive potential (is this right? just seemed a bit vague and unspecific) (don't think neuter is gp kosher but pvk has the right idea, a bit tighter phrasing would be nice) from the teams Omastar finds itself on. It also faces some competition from Qwilfish, another Swift Swim user with access to Spikes and a useful tool in Self-Destruct. (add hyphen)

[SET]
name: Spikes Setter
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Hydro Pump
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Thief
item: none
ability: Swift Swim
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Description
=========

Omastar functions best as a revenge killer and is a Pokemon to should be used very offensively, forcing switches and making progress with its myriad of offensive tools. ("making progress" is doing a lot of legwork here, try to be more specific. Do you mean like, forcing damage? If so, perhaps you could replace with just "damage" for cohesion with "forcing switches") (would support, so long as the new phrasing adequately encompasses Thief) Fast-paced (AH) rain teams love getting Spikes support to wear down defensive grounded Pokemon, and Omastar providing that while being an offensive breaker is a great role to have on teams. Spikes and Omastar's wallbreaking wearing down and threatening defensive Pokemon. (I imagine this makes sense? if this is too narrow a way to describe its wallbreaking, i'd just remove that part honestly, bc itd belong in overview and is kinda covered in overview. feel free to tinker the overview part) When boosted by rain, Hydro Pump is an incredibly powerful STAB option, being used over weaker, (AC) more accurate Water-type moves to achieve feats such as chances to 2HKO possibly 2HKOing specially bulky Pokemon like Deoxys-D and Jirachi while hitting everything harder. (this seems relatively obvious/redundant, while lengthening an already long sentence) Ice Beam is used for Dragon-types like Latios, Latias, and the rare defensive Salamence, (AC) as well as bulky water resists Water-resistant Pokemon like Celebi is great coverage, being strong and having a good amount of PP to fire off attacks in a longer game. Thief while holding no item is a very useful trait is a very useful move that Omastar is one of the few users of, being able to remove Leftovers from Pokemon like Blissey and Snorlax while holding no item, as well as the very important Soul Dew from Latios and Latias. This deters a lot of Pokemon from switching into Omastar due to this risk, (risk has already been established) making Thief a very effective and important part of its success. A Timid nature with 252 Speed EVs is used to outrun maximum Speed Deoxys-A in rain.

Team Options
========

Due to it succeeding best on offensively-inclined (add hyphen) rain teams, Omastar's best partners are ones that can take advantage of it setting Spikes and stealing items while chipping to chip down common threats. Kyogre is a mandatory partner, being the only way to set permanent rain for Omastar to thrive in. With an extensive movepool, it can also pressure Blissey, Latios, and Latias, which Omastar loves having chipped or removed from the game. Petaya Berry Deoxys-A is another potent rain abuser, attacker, (or smth else) using mixed wallbreaking power with access to Superpower to threaten checks to Omastar such as Blissey and Snorlax while heavily denting others like Latias with boosted Ice Beam. Snorlax serves as a bulky check to offensive Pokemon that Omastar can't break past unless chipped, (AC) such as the Lati twins and Mewtwo, while appreciating Spikes wearing down its own checks like Forretress and Metagross. With Spikes being such a crucial part of Omastar's gameplan, Gengar works as a solid offensive spinblocker to deter Forretress, (AC) which can live a Hydro Pump from Omastar in rain. Gengar also has access to Thief, making for enabling a double Thief core that can displace multiple important items from the opponent.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Mystic Water and Toxic are both options Omastar can use, letting it both (unless you mean it should use them simultaneously, in which case you should specify) hit harder and threaten poison on defensive walls, (AC) respectively. The presence of Refresh Latios and Latias makes this the latter (or eg "this combination" if you specify earlier that they are a package deal) much harder to pull off, though, with them threatening it out while not fearing losing an item. (I think you miss something here; this is worded as if Thief has already been dropped, but this hasn't be prepositioned. While obvious to yourself, I think you should add something like "Because Omastar needs Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, and Spikes, Thief is the ideal move to drop" or something like that.) (yeah. depending on what you do, changing "not" to "no longer" may be appropriate.) Protect Snorlax with Immunity can also take even Mystic Water-boosted (add hyphen) hits while not fearing Toxic. A Modest nature can also be run to give Omastar more power while still outrunning maximum Speed neutral nature Deoxys-A, but losing the speed tier of above max no longer outspeeding maximum Speed positive nature Deoxys-A can be costly. A Petaya Berry set with Substitute can make Omastar a potent late-game (add hyphen) sweeper, but it loses the utility of Thief or immediate damage from other options like Mystic Water.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Kyogre**: Kyogre—Omastar's best partner—is also one of its hardest walls. Hydro Pump does little damage even in rain, and Kyogre can threaten it with an OHKO from Surf or Hydro Pump, inflict paralysis with Thunder Wave, or heal off any damage Omastar does with Rest.

**Blissey**: Blissey easily lives survives multiple Hydro Pumps and can spread status or set up Light Screen to further wall Omastar. However, it hates having its Leftovers stolen by Thief and being worn down by Spikes as it switches in.

**Rayquaza**: Rayquaza can ignore effectively disable (Rayquaza isn't exactly "ignoring" it, but neutering it. Largely semantics.) Swift Swim with Air Lock, (AC, flow) allowing it to outspeed Omastar and OHKO with Earthquake even in rain.

**Bulky Revenge Killers**: Omastar struggles to OHKO some very powerful but bulky Pokemon even in rain such as Mewtwo, the Lati twins, and Choice Band Snorlax or Metagross, meaning they can often force Omastar to switch out (subjective) or sacrifice itself for some damage.

**Groudon**: Groudon setting sun makes Omastar fairly (are you sure this is the right word?) unviable, removing its Speed control revenge killing niche. Groudon can also easily outspeed Omastar in sun and OHKO it. (with what? you should cite this.) (optional)

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Fc, 511624]]
- Quality checked by: [[SuperEpicAmpharos,306959], [Lasen, 273339]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429]]

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