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Evie said:
im a little suspicious of dbd/liquidrelief(?) for immediately hopping on the lynch afk wagon - reminds me of me last game when i just kinda agreed to let the afks be shot cause it was either beneficial for mafia or inevitable and doing so gave town cred.

i did scumlean you cause of the pulsar vote but what joey said about the werewolf discussion at the start of the game was really smart

i could definitely see hal being scum but im not super sure of it
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how many mafia games have you played before? just want to get a sense of it
 
I'm not convinced that people understand the game that we are playing.

Let's stretch the imagination and pretend like you are townsided. For our faction to win, the last play of the game must be that we vote out a mafia member.

If evie, airc, phoopes, and scarycary are town and alive, then I am not convinced that this play can happen with these people alive.

I am even less convinced that they will die at any other point in the game. Maybe werewolf sides with us again tonight. Maybe they do not. I don't enjoy playing a game pretending like someone who has a different win condition than mine will always be aligned with my own. They are certainly not getting shot by scum.

You disagree with blasting AFKs. Great. Help me see the vision how these people are going to vote with me. I'm not even convinced that they will claim PR to save themselves from being lynched, much less participate in a vote, much less participate in a vote on a member of the opposing team.

We started the last two paragraphs with the assumption that all four are town. This is to show the value of lynching these guys EVEN IF THEY ARE TOWN. But I don't understand how you know that they are town. Genisu said, "the mafia isn't going to be among <the afks>"

OK, so I don't have a discord chat where people are telling me who the scum is, and how do you know this exactly?
 
As far as I'm concerned, I'm never going to be able to get a read on AirC and Scarycary this game.

I have no idea how they die without being lynched, and I have no idea how I win while they live.

They are complete black holes and I think my chance of hitting mafia on them is around the same as the ex-ante distribution, and I think I don't even care if I hit town, so this is what I would like to vote today!
 
If I have a guilty I'd vote the guilty but nobody has one today so let's bide our time, wait to see how multiball shots / night actions pan out.

There are people whose alignments are going to become more obvious over time. Even if you think you have an idea of what those alignments are now, you will have a better idea later.

People who do not post or post dumb shit is not part of that group of people
 
We can definitely inactive purge. The reason why is everyone's picked up their gameplay besides

##VOTE: ItsScaryCary

If we vote them out, or if they stop being inactive, then we've successfully done the inactive purge gj gang

I trust AirC to get into a stride in mid-game like they did last game, they're still newer and earlygame is harder and I feel as though they're putting some effort into things. Same for Ehmcee it's not that they're not here altogether. ItsScaryCary... isn't putting in effort, or here, except they did pop in when they were voted last time so maybe they'll do it again and provide content this time.
 
game's miles away from unplayable but the conversation topic being about it being unplayable is ironically giving people free content streams where they can contribute to the discussion of the thread in an unreadable way, and it's entirely valid to come into thread and just join in with whatever the current conversation topic is

it also lowers the bar we're looking for in terms of contributions because when the bar is "are you making this game playable", as I say I think everyone besides ItsScaryCary is now over that bar so we can raise our standards
 
Dead by Daylight said:
Voting AFKs this early is a desperation tactic and personally, I am not that far down the hole
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Idk if I really believe you tbh, you were in last game which was towns first win in over a year, off the back of me spending the whole game demanding afks be shot

Like if I am being honest, I am still like not sure of hal's alignment but regardless he is right if people aren't posting then you can't win if they are town or mafia in endgame, so you must vote them

If he is mafia, would he say this if they are all town? Sure he would, but he would also say it as town regardless of their alignment its true

When people sign up and don't post a lot it becomes town's job to solve it sadly, the less actigve town members we have the more precious they are and the more we can't unforunately risk voting one. It is why afk games are so doomed for town and unplayable.

So maybe you are right, maybe we will lose if every inactive player IS town, but we will definitely lose if we vote every active player and all thats left is afk for mafia to finish off with right, its like what is the town wincon here, even if its small we have to pursue it

I will add a caveat that activity is picking up, which is good and maybe will help us avoid this fiasco BUT if someone doesn't play we must either hope for sub or modkill or solve it ourself. Personally I hope we have few afks before eod considering there are subs on hand to fix the issue now.
 
Celever said:
game's miles away from unplayable but the conversation topic being about it being unplayable is ironically giving people free content streams where they can contribute to the discussion of the thread in an unreadable way, and it's entirely valid to come into thread and just join in with whatever the current conversation topic is

it also lowers the bar we're looking for in terms of contributions because when the bar is "are you making this game playable", as I say I think everyone besides ItsScaryCary is now over that bar so we can raise our standards
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this is becoming more true throughout today lol
 
pulsar had had some decent posts when she died. hell, she had decent posts when she was voted.

maybe she was reasonably namekilled because her being afk has been a pattern recently but she outright wasn't afk yesterday? certainly not in comparison to other people

feels more like she bore the brunt of other people being afk than being voted because of anything she did herself. and that's unreasonable enough that my brain thinks it was a false narrative
 
Tommy said:
Idk if I really believe you tbh, you were in last game which was towns first win in over a year, off the back of me spending the whole game demanding afks be shot

Like if I am being honest, I am still like not sure of hal's alignment but regardless he is right if people aren't posting then you can't win if they are town or mafia in endgame, so you must vote them

If he is mafia, would he say this if they are all town? Sure he would, but he would also say it as town regardless of their alignment its true
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I'm not treating Hal's ideas as alignment-indicative though? That's all well and good, if we don't have any concrete reads at EoD I'm fine with shipping an AFK, but I've said my piece as to why not
 
frankly genisu is the most responsible for the narrative around pulsar. not solely, not at all, but the most

if the wagon was agendaed it is likeliest to be by him. particularly because he doesn't have the same recent game history knowledge to be potentially frustrated by the pattern of her being afk, in the same way that Tommy was

it's a bit mental to do wagonomics on a 3 player wagon but genisu is also the reason why it was pulsar over others, he consolidated the wagon by putting the 2nd vote on her and has pushed some heavy misinfo about pulsar today

you can't look at pulsar's contributions yesterday vs Evie's or ItsScaryCary's or even mine and say that pulsar was the most afk in this game. no shot.
 
most sensible narrative to me therefore would be genisu + 2 afk scumteam bc he had to shield them but that's a p free level 1 solve that I'm not sending

and emotionally I have little interest in voting genisu out D2 in his grand return game but it's where the logic's leading rn. not interested in hard pushing it for that reason atm but the case makes itself
 
currently solving a hal / DBD / a fairy / joey / phoopes towncore and gonna ride that for a while I think

maybe one mafia's in there but I'm calling it 1 max
 
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