Open Setup Classic Mafia - Game Thread

[Tommy]

Ah right, if they kill me then they have to use the hook on Evie. Ok so their hand was forced. I missed that.

In my eyes this would be incredibly short sighted and cowardly mafia play because the lower chance you block them last night, is not worth giving you a likelier chance to block tonight after a fairy died, because the wifom is reduced

If a fairy is roleblocker

Because now they must put the kill on the third if we vote a fairy today, meaning your block means a lot more tonight than last night, so taking the risk of letting you win tonight over last night is a strict mech misplay

I do think what realiti says is like a reasonable thought people have but the fact he’s having it makes it mean he could’ve done it (or others)

It’s like thinking what’s the best way to get a kill through last night over what’s the best way to finish out the game unless someone wants to fact check me

 

[Tommy]

Ok, that’s an interesting development.

Whats interesting about it?

 

[Tommy]

Brother I'd solve more but cop literally solved 2 out of 3, if I had signed up at the beginning it would be a different matter. I'm just at the point where voting off the known scum is optimal. You know, the mechanically optimal thing you've been talking about today?

Its very difficult for me to go back and read 70 pages just to come to this conclusion: AirC has had even less presence this game than in the OC game he played with us. I've seen even less from him, I'd be more inclined to believe realiti over airC, I don't think you're ever scum.

Why do you think airC is townie? I think the major point against realiti is that ya, he tried to vote non-wolf and known mafia last phase, and yes that works in a maf!realiti and town!airC world. But what has airC done to make him town in your eyes, because I think you're giving him a free pass.

apricity i think if you read all my posts leading up to my bluedoom sus and ask for him to post more, this one post itself is bad enough to get him voted

Just about everyone point he makes I had just addressed before and been charitable about, I simply asked him to post more content because he was hard to read off doing nothing all game, on the slots he might be in f3 with

-I had just said I understand he can’t give much in the red checks but the Poe it’s important he comments and solves on

-I had just said he doesn’t have to read everything but please comment on the lore if content since he joined the game

-I had just said airc wasn’t that towny (or his own slot) which is why I want him to post more to not coast to a free win, so he’s coming in being mad that I’m not letting the afks get a freebie while also asking why I’m giving the other afk a freebie

(I’m trying not to)

 

[Tommy]

On the other hand it’s hard to not listen to phoopes but even that pop in from bluedoom it’s like

Bro come on give us something the vote on a fairy to conf biasd me just looks like “get through the day park a vote on my partner come back tomorrow”

Like bluedoom has only played mafia for about 10 years he’s a possible misvote tomorrow, he’s concerned over the airc slot that’s over townread

If he’s town he’s trying to sort this airc slot tomorrow and instead of pushing for more on it, either asking us or the slot himself he’s going “yeah vote a fairy go next get to f3”

Why is he not trying to solve the game if he’s town is he really just waiting for next round to vote realiti

But then realiti game wise can literally just be the vote based on the Joey stuff

 

[Tommy]

I don't know why this post stuck with me 6 years later but y'all better take some time to get this vote right

NOC Post in thread '11p White Flag Thread'

Nov 26, 2019

i've had thought experiments like this before. and that's why i always argue with people like tommy, who think that if person A gets mislynched, it's their fault

no, it really isn't. that's such a mafiascum/451 way of thinking. because you're saying that a person got mislynched because they didn't follow the formula you (or site meta) prescribed for what town should do

which is fucking crazy! why on earth should you make judgments on a person's alignment based on how well they can play simon says? it's such an awful way of thinking

if person A gets mislynched by town 100% of the time...

• apricity

Btw the answer to this post really is, it depends

Sometimes people vote dumb and sometimes people are dumb and get voted (I wasn’t able to answer through the night)

And sometimes mistakes happen and it’s not really anyone fault it’s just the game

 

[Tommy]

I also fully believe whatever I think that airc is going to get voted tomorrow anyways

 

[bluedoom]

On the other hand it’s hard to not listen to phoopes but even that pop in from bluedoom it’s like

Bro come on give us something the vote on a fairy to conf biasd me just looks like “get through the day park a vote on my partner come back tomorrow”

Like bluedoom has only played mafia for about 10 years he’s a possible misvote tomorrow, he’s concerned over the airc slot that’s over townread

If he’s town he’s trying to sort this airc slot tomorrow and instead of pushing for more on it, either asking us or the slot himself he’s going “yeah vote a fairy go next get to f3”

Why is he not trying to solve the game if he’s town is he really just waiting for next round to vote realiti

But then realiti game wise can literally just be the vote based on the Joey stuff

If I was mafia I'd just run with the realiti scumread instead of actively fighting it because its easy and I don't have to do anything about it.

Fmpov as town either realiti is mafia or airC is mafia and I'm inclined to believe that airC is mafia simply because I don't think realiti has been trying to coast with the narrative, this is despite his vote yesterday looking bad. I am also factoring in airC being *even less active* than when I played with him in the previous OC game.

What more is there to post, or what new insight are you expecting? Onus is on you to either convince me that I'm wrong or ask me more specific questions, this is a discussion we're going to have regardless. I don't want to make a series of posts just to harp on the same point for the sake of content.

 

[bluedoom]

I'm mad that you think that I lack content when the situation is such that there's really only one question to talk about so of course there's less from my end; we've literally had a game together where you read me wrong for the very same reason so its frustrating to have to deal with that on repeat.

 

[bluedoom]

Bro come on give us something the vote on a fairy to conf biasd me just looks like “get through the day park a vote on my partner come back tomorrow”

Like bluedoom has only played mafia for about 10 years he’s a possible misvote tomorrow, he’s concerned over the airc slot that’s over townread

If he’s town he’s trying to sort this airc slot tomorrow and instead of pushing for more on it, either asking us or the slot himself he’s going “yeah vote a fairy go next get to f3”

Why is he not trying to solve the game if he’s town is he really just waiting for next round to vote realiti

To elaborate on this more, I'm finding more AI indicative things about realiti's behaviour (like I've never seen scum realiti go full on defeatist and talk about how the game is over if he's the consensus scumread at MYLO)

I'm not listing the trying to solve the 3rd scum that he did last phase because that can be construed as scum agenda'd even though there's definitely an argument for why that comes from town.

Which is why I'm like "yeah I guess airC is scum then"

But its unfair to say that I didn't ask anyone about airC, I did await your response to my questions about him, and tbh if me calling you out on giving him a pass and asking why you tr him is bad(and if I've read that wrong my bad), what am I supposed to ask about him?

 

[Tommy]

If I was mafia I'd just run with the realiti scumread instead of actively fighting it because its easy and I don't have to do anything about it.

Fmpov as town either realiti is mafia or airC is mafia and I'm inclined to believe that airC is mafia simply because I don't think realiti has been trying to coast with the narrative, this is despite his vote yesterday looking bad. I am also factoring in airC being *even less active* than when I played with him in the previous OC game.

What more is there to post, or what new insight are you expecting? Onus is on you to either convince me that I'm wrong or ask me more specific questions, this is a discussion we're going to have regardless. I don't want to make a series of posts just to harp on the same point for the sake of content.

How would realiti be able to coast when he is right now the preferred vote by a lot of people? The coasting would be he is voted out at least till start of today, so it’s not reasonable for him to coast in the same way others could right, he’s forced to post

 

[Tommy]

To elaborate on this more, I'm finding more AI indicative things about realiti's behaviour (like I've never seen scum realiti go full on defeatist and talk about how the game is over if he's the consensus scumread at MYLO)

I'm not listing the trying to solve the 3rd scum that he did last phase because that can be construed as scum agenda'd even though there's definitely an argument for why that comes from town.

Which is why I'm like "yeah I guess airC is scum then"

But its unfair to say that I didn't ask anyone about airC, I did await your response to my questions about him, and tbh if me calling you out on giving him a pass and asking why you tr him is bad(and if I've read that wrong my bad), what am I supposed to ask about him?

Have you seen realiti be the correct consensus read at mylo before?

Also I’m not giving him a pass, that’s the thing I’m asking you guys to post more and expecting more of you because you’re more experienced

Like this whole thing you’re angry at me for how is NOT accepting the mafia is just realiti, I’m giving no one a pass

 

[bluedoom]

How would realiti be able to coast when he is right now the preferred vote by a lot of people? The coasting would be he is voted out at least till start of today, so it’s not reasonable for him to coast in the same way others could right, he’s forced to post

I don't mean this phase but like, the phase where joey was voted, I think him trying to find the 3rd was a point in his favour (even though personally I disagree with voting away from guilties, until I saw hal's logic anyway)


Like I don't think the act of trying to vote airC off is scummy in vaccuum, it just looks bad when also knowing the scum agenda of siding with joey. But I haven't seen scum!realiti do something like that before.

Although as we're talking about this I guess the justification is "this is the first time he's doing this because he's going with a scum plan/ agenda of possibly creating a misvote" so eh. I'm stumped there.

 

[bluedoom]

Err what I meant to say is I've been seeing "trying to hunt 3rd scum" and "voting airC" as two separate things but they would converge over a mafia agenda, yeah.

 

[bluedoom]

Have you seen realiti be the correct consensus read at mylo before?

Also I’m not giving him a pass, that’s the thing I’m asking you guys to post more and expecting more of you because you’re more experienced

Like this whole thing you’re angry at me for how is NOT accepting the mafia is just realiti, I’m giving no one a pass

I haven't, but the defeatism ime usually comes from town, like the one meltdown you had earlier in this game(and one of my biggest reasons for tring you too).

Yeah that's fine, understanding that now.

 

[Tommy]

I don't mean this phase but like, the phase where joey was voted, I think him trying to find the 3rd was a point in his favour (even though personally I disagree with voting away from guilties, until I saw hal's logic anyway)


Like I don't think the act of trying to vote airC off is scummy in vaccuum, it just looks bad when also knowing the scum agenda of siding with joey. But I haven't seen scum!realiti do something like that before.

Although as we're talking about this I guess the justification is "this is the first time he's doing this because he's going with a scum plan/ agenda of possibly creating a misvote" so eh. I'm stumped there.

He was trying to vote off Joey and the main focus for not voting Joey, which was the most mafia favoured thing going right?

So like even if his posts read towny it was hard mafia siding right

 

[bluedoom]

He was trying to vote off Joey and the main focus for not voting Joey, which was the most mafia favoured thing going right?

So like even if his posts read towny it was hard mafia siding right

yeah no I agree with you

what I was saying was "normally scum realiti doesn't do this because he doesn't need to get more flak on himself for pushing against consensus and this is what he usually does"

but if the mafia thought that it was favourable to save joey then that argument doesn't hold.

 

[bluedoom]

I went back to page 50 and remembered that airC was one of the DbD voters. Probably need to see what his posts related to that were, because I remember in my reread going "surely there's mafia in Evie/phoopes/airC" and I turned out being wrong about 2 so far.

 

[bluedoom]

How is everyone doc lmao

I'm not

Wait did cop claim?

I'm not cop I was just wondering if I somehow missed it *wink wink*

The claim was like 20 minutes ago most people didn't even come back since xd

You'd know something about voting 5 minutes before deadline I assume

But yeah I'm voting DBD in case a claim is made that way the vote is closer if needed

I think DBD vote is better no? Apart from being afk and not really saying anything Cary isn't that scummy right? Assuming they'll get subbed soon it doesn't matter if we vote them unless I missed something

I missed the DBD vote quote which happens before the "claim was 20 minutes ago" quote but like

I can't see a post where he says that he finds DbD scummy(which makes his vote on the wagon look worse) and before that he's scumreading genisu who we know is town.

Feels like a whole lot of nothing, you tell me? Tommy

 

[Tommy]

yeah no I agree with you

what I was saying was "normally scum realiti doesn't do this because he doesn't need to get more flak on himself for pushing against consensus and this is what he usually does"

but if the mafia thought that it was favourable to save joey then that argument doesn't hold.

Yes, and the timing of him “changing his mind” was like very convenient to say the least lmao it was basically he tried to push it off until it was too late then decided joey was the best vote after all once it was fully decided by everyone else

 

[Tommy]

I do think you are town btw bluedoom, I was mostly rage baiting you to make you post more sorry gg

But you’ve been towny in your posting today I think so I’m more comfortable with you not being voted

 

[bluedoom]

That's alright, I want to get the read on realiti/airC right too so glad that we're having this discussion.

 

[Tommy]

I missed the DBD vote quote which happens before the "claim was 20 minutes ago" quote but like

I can't see a post where he says that he finds DbD scummy(which makes his vote on the wagon look worse) and before that he's scumreading genisu who we know is town.

Feels like a whole lot of nothing, you tell me? Tommy

He’s so clueless I can’t tell if it’s performative or legit stuff he would know but like

When he’s in thread it’s not that he doesn’t know and is trying to figure it out it’s that he consistently is missing things like voting the town clear Hal and stuff and last game he didn’t feel like the guy who was so far out of the loop

So idk if it’s performative or he’s just like not keeping up with the game but if he’s not keeping up with thread he could not be keeping up with mafia chat either (if he’s mafia)

I do agree with you it’s incredibly hard to read him off what he’s given, anything we do say about him is some leap of faith justification that doesn’t really hold up insanely well

 

[Tommy]

That's alright, I want to get the read on realiti/airC right too so glad that we're having this discussion.

I think there’s a good chance you might be town after the others cross vote tomorrow and I wouldn’t be super mad at either vote but it’s just for different reasons

Realiti has played well and posted well but caught up in mafia siding, what we know explicitly was an agenda mafia wanted to hard force to save Joey

Whereas airc has done nothing to help mafia but has few towny posts to really clear him + he has shown several times to have little idea what’s going on in the game

 

[Tommy]

They are like opposites

 

[bluedoom]

I feel like for me its how strongly do I feel about someone who has basically done nothing all game, and who is curiously more inactive than the previous game where he was town leader vs someone who has made an effort but has made actions that aligned with the mafia agenda, you know?