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ORAS Doubles Viability Rankings [Nominations]

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Cresselia to rise to A+: yes
Diancie to rise to A+: yes
Keldeo to rise to A-: yes
Mawile to drop to A: yes
Azumarill to rise to A: yes
Tyranitar to drop to A-: yes
Aegislash to rise to A+: yes
Lucario to rise to A-: no
Jirachi to drop to A-: yes
Venusaur to rise to A: no
Hydreigon to rise to A: no
Scizor to rise to A-: no
 
Cresselia to rise to A+: No
Diancie to rise to A+: No
Keldeo to rise to A-: Yes
Mawile to drop to A: Yes
Azumarill to rise to A: No
Tyranitar to drop to A-: Yes
Aegislash to rise to A+: Yes
Lucario to rise to A-: Yes
Jirachi to drop to A-: Yes
Venusaur to rise to A: Yes
Hydreigon to rise to A: Yes
Scizor to rise to A-: No
 
Cresselia to rise to A+: yes. It's the best at what it does
Diancie to rise to A+: yes. Extremely good end-game sweeper, and Diamond Storm off 160 Atk is awesome.
Keldeo to rise to A-: yes. No Mega Mence is good for it.
Mawile to drop to A: no. It's very good both inside and outside TR
Azumarill to rise to A: yes. It's ferocious with a Belly Drum
Tyranitar to drop to A-: yes. See my previous post.
Aegislash to rise to A+: yes. Very easy to fit onto a team with what is arguably the best defensive typing in the game backed up by very good stats. And easily the best Wide Guard user.
Lucario to rise to A-: no. There are better Steel-type Mega evolutions, particularly in the bulk department.
Jirachi to drop to A-: yes. Still great; it's just not as useful now that Mega Mence is gone.
Venusaur to rise to A: no. Sun isn't what it used to be, and the Mega set competes with Ferrothorn who doesn't need a Mega slot.
Hydreigon to rise to A: no. Yes it threatens pretty much the entire metagame, but it's not too hard to check either with its weaknesses and Speed
Scizor to rise to A-: no. There are better Steel-types both including and excluding Mega evolutions. You want a Bullet Punch user, Mega Metagross is an all-round better user. It also resists Diamond Storm in case you were planning on using it to check Diancie.


xzern said:
Lucario to rise to A-: no, its really frail and with bad speed, although it has some okay typing. 252+ Atk Technician Breloom Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Lucario: 288-342 (102.4 - 121.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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Not really relevant, as the best thing about Lucario is its Mega evolution

252+ Atk Technician Breloom Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lucario: 240-284 (85.4 - 101%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

But yeah I agree it shouldn't rise
 
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Can you explain your reasoning behind this im very confused
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First, off, why does it say fat elegyofvgc ;; I thought I was getting better with that. Anyways, Diancie is good, I'll admit, but with it's most used sets, it's extremely frail, and very susceptible to luring, so it's kinda like beedrill in the sense that if it doesn't ohko, it dies. There are way too many counters. Now, of course, it's definitely worth the A because of it's great speed, good offensive stats (can't be boosted btw,) and access to spread moves, most notably Diamond Storm.
Cresselia is pretty good support, but it's kinda like togekiss in the sense that it can easily be outplayed or have it's role nullified, and you can't sack it easily, which means that you're gonna have dead weight on your team.
 
Cresselia to rise to A+: Yes, wasn't this S once upon a time?
Diancie to rise to A+: No, not with bullet punch existing
Keldeo to rise to A-: Yes, LO requirement
Mawile to drop to A: Yes, should ever have been up there to begin with
Azumarill to rise to A: No
Tyranitar to drop to A-: Yes
Aegislash to rise to A+: No
Lucario to rise to A-: No
Jirachi to drop to A-: No
Venusaur to rise to A: No
Hydreigon to rise to A: No
Scizor to rise to A-: Yes, and I am shocked more people don't agree. How many of those featured above does Scizor smack around hmm?
 
thebagman said:
Cresselia to rise to A+: Yes, wasn't this S once upon a time?
Diancie to rise to A+: No, not with bullet punch existing
Keldeo to rise to A-: Yes, LO requirement
Mawile to drop to A: Yes, should ever have been up there to begin with
Azumarill to rise to A: No
Tyranitar to drop to A-: Yes
Aegislash to rise to A+: No
Lucario to rise to A-: No
Jirachi to drop to A-: No
Venusaur to rise to A: No
Hydreigon to rise to A: No
Scizor to rise to A-: Yes, and I am shocked more people don't agree. How many of those featured above does Scizor smack around hmm?
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Cresselia, Diancie, TTar, Jirachi, and Venusaur.

Meanwhile Mega Metagross also deals with Keldeo and Azumarill. Face fact, scizor is outclassed heavily by Mega Metagross and Mega Mawile. Oh right well SD Life Orb Scizor works, right? no way. If you don't want to use your mega slot on a steel-type, Aegislash and Bisharp are much better than LO Swords Dance Scizor 99% of the time. The low ranking of scizor isn't about how much of the popular metagame it can deal with, it's about how much better all the other Steel-types perform compared to it, therefore making it less viable.
 
Laga said:
Cresselia, Diancie, TTar, Jirachi, and Venusaur.

Meanwhile Mega Metagross also deals with Keldeo and Azumarill. Face fact, scizor is outclassed heavily by Mega Metagross and Mega Mawile. Oh right well SD Life Orb Scizor works, right? no way. If you don't want to use your mega slot on a steel-type, Aegislash and Bisharp are much better than LO Swords Dance Scizor 99% of the time. The low ranking of scizor isn't about how much of the popular metagame it can deal with, it's about how much better all the other Steel-types perform compared to it, therefore making it less viable.
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The offensive pressure that priority steel applies, and its ability picks off a lot of stuff (regardless of +2 or LO) is something steels types ranked above it cannot produce. When deciding to make a stand, a boosted bullet punch arguably applies more offensive pressure than defiant bisharp (albeit less resists). The option of Lum as a viable item (for dynamic set up) is also something that other steels ranked above cannot utilize efficiently. It hurts so many things so very badly:

+2 252+ Atk Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 252 HP / 90+ Def Togekiss: 374-444 (100 - 118.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 252 HP / 192 Def Terrakion: 386-456 (100 - 118.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 148 HP / 4 Def Kyurem-B: 428-506 (100 - 118.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 220 HP / 4 Def Tyranitar: 396-468 (100 - 118.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Every other Fairy

Not to mention all of this:
+2 252+ Atk Technician Scizor Bug Bite vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 322-379 (91.7 - 107.9%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Technician Scizor Bug Bite vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Latios: 536-632 (147.2 - 173.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Technician Scizor Bug Bite vs. 252 HP / 142+ Def Cresselia: 446-528 (100.4 - 118.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Technician Scizor Bug Bite vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hydreigon: 498-588 (128.3 - 151.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Technician Scizor Bug Bite vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Amoonguss: 433-510 (100.2 - 118%) -- guaranteed OHKO (plus it gets dinner)

Its useful. It's not A+ Bisharp material, its not A Aegislash material, but is it as menacing as A- Excadrill material? I thought so, but not many seem to agree ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Minor nitpicks, but Vivillon is both in C+ and D rank.
And Camerupt and Altaria don't have their mega sprites.
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Here they are.
 
I do agree with you in the fact that Scizor is good, however, Laga does make a good point. Scizor isnt really able to stand out against the other steel types in the current metagame. megagross is just a much better option, with more speed/firepower right off the bat, as well as mega mawile, aegislash, drill, etc. also, ur calcs are all calculating should scizor get an SD up, but the amount of intimidators, plus wOw, just makes it hard to get to +2.
 
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    Cresselia rises to A+
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    Diancie (Mega) rises to A+
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    Keldeo rises to A-
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    Mawile (Mega) drops to A
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    Azumarill stays in A-
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    Tyranitar drops to A-
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    Aegislash rises to A+
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    Lucario (Mega) stays in B
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    Jirachi drops to A-
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    Venusaur stays in A-
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    Hydreigon rises to A
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    Scizor (Mega) stays in B+
this time, nominate pokemon to rise/drop to the B+, B, and B- ranks.
 
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mega waifu a- -> b+

like it's a decent mon for sure. STAB Hyper Voice hits pretty hard and is a nice spread attack, however, the fact that you can use Sylveon, which doesn't take up your mega/item slot, really makes it hard to justify using this. It's really frail on the physical side and 100 isn't that great of a speed tier anymore. It gets annihilated by Megagross and if you want a Fairy with a spread attack, Mega Diancie is almost always the better pick.
 
Klefki for B-

All it does is be annoying with twave and swagplay, which thundy does better, and dual screens aren't that good.
 
Lando I to B.

Has pretty nice coverage, and threatens relevant shit like kan, dianice, most steel types, and lots of other shit like faires, lando, zard or amoonguss depending on whatever third move you use. It isn't super fast but it has a respectable speed tier above the base 100's. But it's still slower than a lot of other offensive mons and isn't the bulkiest thing ever. It mostly relies on it's huge damage output. I think it's good enough to rise out of B- at the very least though.
 
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Slowbro to drop from B+ to B

It's pretty outclassed by Cresselia when it comes to TR setting. Also, it's weaker to Breloom and stuff. It's still good, though. Oblivious can be cool for stopping taunt and Regenerator is also a good ability.
 
Gardevoir: A- --> B+

The main reason I'm voting it down is it's fraility on the physical side. This is more noticeable in ORAS with the addition of new Megas particularly Diancie and Metagross, who both hit Gardevoir on its weaker stat and outspeed it. Outside of new threats, old threats that are still very dominant continue to haunt Gard like Aegislash and Bisharp (dam Sucker Punch is actually likely to OHKO)

Even weaker attacks from common Pokemon leave its mark on Gard:
252+ Atk Landorus-T U-turn vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Gardevoir: 130-153 (46.7 - 55%) -- 67.2% chance to 2HKO. And that's a U-turn to a Steel-type to take that incoming Hyper Voice.
252 Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Fake Out vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Gardevoir: 136-162 (48.9 - 58.2%) -- 95.3% chance to 2HKO

There's also the issue of competition with Sylveon, who hits harder thanks to Specs, has greater bulk, better defensive typing, and doesn't take up the very coveted Mega slot. There is a big speed difference between the two, but it's not as important as what it used to be thanks to the greater shift in the importance of higher Speed thanks to the new Megas (110 is now the ideal speed benchmark, not 100).


Also xzern your viability ranking has Mega Aerodactyl listed under B rank; it's normal Aerodactyl that warrants its placing there, not the mega form.

Similarly, Gyarados is in A rank because of both its mega form and its non-Mega form, much like why Blaziken being in C rank because of both its forms.
 
yeah Garde is pretty much OHKOd by any neutral strong physical STAB attack, and now that it's outsped by even more physical threats it simply doesn't have the offensive presence it used to, nor does it have the bulk and longevity that Sylveon has. Lower it for sure.

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Nominating Raikou C+ --> B-

Raikou is a solid non-Mega offensive Electric-type option. It's fast, it's fairly powerful, and it's got fair coverage. It's not weak to Ice (Metagross) / Rock (Diancie) like the other offensive Electric-types are, and it's got Snarl, so it does have some sort of niche as an offensive supporter, and Assault Vest set is actually pretty bulky. It's great on Rain teams when you can't use Thundurus / Manectric. It's not really outclassed by them anyway, so it definitely belongs above C+.



Not sure if I can support Zapdos for a rise because Diancie is seriously a thorn in its side. It's statistically bulky but it doesn't have many great resistances either, and most Pokemon can just hit it hard with their other STAB attack. B+ just seems a bit much for it.
 
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Altaria (mega): C to B-

This pokemon is a highly underrated mega and deserves more usage. It has an advantage over other fairies in that it has a really strong physical fairy STAB. Its amazing set of resistances allows it to set up a DD on a lot of the metagame, and even has eq to beats fire, poison and steel. It can run a relatively effective surprise special set with a strong spread hyper voice, but then it is outclassed by sylveon. However, the dd set alone warrants a move up to B-
 
time to vote, my lovelies
not that many noms this round o_o

Mega Gardevoir to drop to B+:
Klefki to drop to B-:
Landorus-I to rise to B:
Zapdos to rise to B+:
Slowbro to drop to B:
Raikou to rise to B-:
Mega Altaria to rise to B-:
 
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