Mega Aero is a decent stallbreaker. With Taunt, Roost and two attacks (standard pairing in Aerial Ace and Aqua Tail) it can break stall by cutting off recovery and chipping away at HP, while Healing itself. At least it used to, Mega Sableye kinda killed that set.
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Haxorus under dragon dancers? Haxorus has the niche of beating unaware users like quag and clef through moldbreaker, it's a pretty small niche, but no other dragon dancer has that niche.
Some more stuff:
Some more stuff:
- Smearge under other set up (geomancy and shell smash)
- Lucario under priority (bullet punch + e speed)
- Mega medicham under priority (bullet punch and fake out)
- Kabutops under priority (aqua jet is commonly used to revenge kill talonflame in rain)
- Breloom under suicide leads
- Entei as priority (e speed)
- Pangoro as scarfer?
While I'm not too sure about the viability of haxorus, I know from experience that pangoro is not a good scarfer. You're much better off with band or LO.
- Haxorus for stallbreaker, Mold breaker Taunt wrecks Sableye and then you break down everything sturdy with SD.
- Zygarde for DD users and maybe Other(Coil is kinda viable)
- Smeargle for SR users
- Azelf for SR users
- Thundurus-T as NP user
- Froslass under Spikes users
- Jirachi for SR user
- Shuckel for SR user
- Tangrowth as defensive pivot
- Mega Scizor should go under Hazard Removal
- Mega Latios for DD user
- Slowbro-Mega as Flying check
Although I have seen rain teams with Swampert-Mega as SR user, because it is hard to fit in other SR users besides Ferro which is not common on the offensive rain teams.
Hey, great thread first and foremost.
I feel like Scarf Chomp should be added.
Reason: I battled the other day, a mega char x at +1 (he used one dragon dance) adamant nature gets outsped by jolly scarf chomp. I lost the replay and I might be wrong on my part but scarf chomp is viable in many situations.
Thanks for this amazing compilation. :)
Any Stallbreaker that can't kill/break Mega Sableye should probably be removed from the list.
Quickpassers like NastyPass Celebi probably deserve their own section. On a related note, Celebi should probably be removed from the Setup sweeper section since it usually passes the boosts.
Also give Bisharp its own section calledBest Pokemon Ever Defog (and sorta-kinda Sticky Web) Detterent, because it's a very unique niche worth mentioning.
Quickpassers like NastyPass Celebi probably deserve their own section. On a related note, Celebi should probably be removed from the Setup sweeper section since it usually passes the boosts.
Also give Bisharp its own section called
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I think mega pidgeot has been ranked in the viability thread, and since it runs defog, should be listed under hazard removal.
As far as stall goes, there's a dedicated thread for that. The goal of a thread like this is to help new users get a basic understanding of how pokemon of various specialized roles fit into the tier. Tagging boltsandbombers because he made the NU and RU versions of this without most of the suggested sections in the last six or so posts, maybe he can expand on why they don't typically include sections for walls.
Goodra is a brilliant underrated pivot and Terrakion should go under set up sweepers for both SD and RP.
Alright here goes
I will also add a BP section if I have the space (sorry for being a complete idiot and not reserving any) and I will think about a Hazard Deterrent section too, though dont count on it.
^For all the people wanting a wall section, this is why I'm not going right ahead and adding it.Also I dont have enough space I need to know if a wall and support section is really necessary, considering all the reasons mentioned above.
Alright, so anything I haven't brought up here will probably still be added so don't worry. I might miss a few things but that's what you're here for. Everything is being added in as we speak. Again, because I am in fact an idiot I haven't reserved space and so I might not be able to add in some of the sections you guys suggested, so sorry if that's the case, but I have to prioritize the most important ones.
[edit: thanks to everyone who appreciates this thread n_n]
Adding all except Pangoro because of what b and b said and Kabutops because it's not really something you slap on anything other than a rain team and you don't really use it as a priority revenge killer
I realise Haxorus has the niche of not using a mega slot and having mold breaker, but I need more opinions tbh. I guess I will add it for now, because to me (on paper anyway) it looks like quite a good niche so yeah. Zygarde is well, meh. I don't see how it has relevant niches over dragonite, besides having a different typing I guess. If you were ever to use a zygarde it would be for an extremely niche purpose, like if you had to block volt switch or something. The coil set is a thing too I guess, but it's way better in UU and doesn't really do much in OU. I will add the rest, but again please check the OP twice, I already have some of those on there.
Adding magnezone to both of those lists. And yes it is because it is outsped by jolly talon, but I guess if you come across an adamant band one then it checks it so w/e
You drive a hard bargain, but fine anything that doesn't stallbreak Sable will be removed. (for anyone wondering, it is because Mega Sableye is on just about every good stall team so if you want to beat stall you have to beat that)
I will also add a BP section if I have the space (sorry for being a complete idiot and not reserving any) and I will think about a Hazard Deterrent section too, though dont count on it.
Because it's a mega, ie: not something you can just slap on your team for hazard removal since you most likely have a dedicated mega, and because it's not really a reliable hazard remover I won't add it.
^For all the people wanting a wall section, this is why I'm not going right ahead and adding it.
Goodra is cool I guess. I'll add it. Adding terrak too.
Alright, so anything I haven't brought up here will probably still be added so don't worry. I might miss a few things but that's what you're here for. Everything is being added in as we speak. Again, because I am in fact an idiot I haven't reserved space and so I might not be able to add in some of the sections you guys suggested, so sorry if that's the case, but I have to prioritize the most important ones.
[edit: thanks to everyone who appreciates this thread n_n]
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My issue with a section on walls is that it's such a generic term that is already established with various sub-sections such as defensive pivots along with hazard removers. So basically I'm going off of Edgars teambuilding compendium for reference but you either have to create generic roles all together which seems to me like redundant work when the specifics give a more thorough understanding, or just drop the idea of having a walls section when it's clearly obvious just by looking at the mons themselves what they offer in terms of offensive and defensive utility. You have stuff like Talonflame that could theoretically be a wall and imo is just a mess to create such a subjective aspect when there is a good 80+ things to take into account. The analysis being linked to each mon as I've noticed basically can show if they have a defensive or offensive niche as well. I get the idea of the thread but creating such generic terms for every single thing possible is just going to clutter the thread and instill confusion here and for newer players.
One more little thing, add scizor under the trapper section, as the choice band variant often runs pursuit.
Edit: Something else that could be useful is a section exclusively for weather sweepers. Including the swift swimmers is the main reason for this as you typically wont see them anywhere else, and new users might be mislead into thinking that kabutopsor omastar or whoever are viable outside of rain. You should also obviously include excadrill. Whether or not you want to include other mon's with weather-related abilities is up to you, ie mega chomp. Another section that could go hand-in-hand is weather setters, including tyranitar and politoad (and maybe zard y, although idk if sun is that great of a playstyle).
Edit2: oops, looks like the weather stuff has been suggested alreadt. My bad.
Edit: Something else that could be useful is a section exclusively for weather sweepers. Including the swift swimmers is the main reason for this as you typically wont see them anywhere else, and new users might be mislead into thinking that kabutopsor omastar or whoever are viable outside of rain. You should also obviously include excadrill. Whether or not you want to include other mon's with weather-related abilities is up to you, ie mega chomp. Another section that could go hand-in-hand is weather setters, including tyranitar and politoad (and maybe zard y, although idk if sun is that great of a playstyle).
Edit2: oops, looks like the weather stuff has been suggested alreadt. My bad.
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Sylveon can pull off a wallbreaker set with Choice Specs Hyper Voice.
May I suggest adding:
1) Garchomp into Choice Scarf users
2) Terrakion into Priority users (the Banded set runs Quick Attack occasionally )
3) Kabutops into Swords Dance sweeper, Hazard Remover and Priority (some run SD while a few run Rapid Spin. There are also variants with Aqua Jet to out-prioritize Talonflame )
4) Omastar into Wallbreaker (Choice Specs Hydro Pump under the rain hurts)
5) Infernape into Priority users (sometimes they have Mach Punch )
6) Manaphy into Wallbreaker (the Tail Glow set destroys Mega Eye)
7) Mega Venusaur into Defensive Pivots
1) Garchomp into Choice Scarf users
2) Terrakion into Priority users (the Banded set runs Quick Attack occasionally )
3) Kabutops into Swords Dance sweeper, Hazard Remover and Priority (some run SD while a few run Rapid Spin. There are also variants with Aqua Jet to out-prioritize Talonflame )
4) Omastar into Wallbreaker (Choice Specs Hydro Pump under the rain hurts)
5) Infernape into Priority users (sometimes they have Mach Punch )
6) Manaphy into Wallbreaker (the Tail Glow set destroys Mega Eye)
7) Mega Venusaur into Defensive Pivots
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There should be a section on good Assault Vest users, as more often than not, people simply like to slap on Assault Vests on anything like Tentacruel and Empoleon and expect them to do work with it.
If you wish to use this, you can start off with Conkeldurr and Raikou.
If you wish to use this, you can start off with Conkeldurr and Raikou.
Mega Lopunny for other set up (PuP)
If you do an assault vest section Tangrowth.
Also maybe a section for double dancers? I know they're listed under multiple sections but it might be helpful.
If you do an assault vest section Tangrowth.
Also maybe a section for double dancers? I know they're listed under multiple sections but it might be helpful.
The problem with this is that conk and Raikou are literally the only 2 viable av users, and maybe obscure stuff like bisharp, which is much better off with life orb. I disagree with this, as we've already discussed having an av section.
You forgot Azumarill and Tornadus-Therian who are both viable AV users. Tangrowth also is a good AV user but it is not that common in OU. It is able to take hits from many OU pokemon like Latios and both Tangrowth and Tornadus-Therian still stay healthy because of Regenerator
Funny story guys, but there is no more space to add anything new :/ so yeah this is pretty much as good as it gets. Screw smogon's 6500 word character limit imo. Anyway, thanks for suggesting things and if there's anything you think I should take out then I can do that. Right now I think it doesn't really need anything new anyway. Not saying that I've covered everything, just that right now all the base pokemon roles and the pokemon in them are filled rather well even if I didn't add a few pokemon.
Can we add Talonflame as a stallbreaker? Its taunt + wisp set is amazing vs stall. IMO, get rid of agility Gliscor and add in Talonflame instead.
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