Medisharp is a pretty freaking scary HO core.
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Resource ORAS OU Simple Questions, Simple Answers MKII (Read the OP First!) (Now with 100% more Rules!!!)
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One framework that I use pretty often for medi offense: medicham+pursuit trapper+speed control+priority+rocks+spikes +spinner (notice that there's 7 roles, so you're gonna need some role compression). Additionally, mmedi appreciates fast pokemon that do well vs offense like weavile or tornt.
Mamo can't really afford to run freeze dry since crash, eq, and shard are all pretty much mandatory on mamoswine. Zone+mamo is a pretty good core, but Serp+Mamoswine is a really good core since serp uses the bulky waters that wall mamo as setup fodder.
volturn cores really appreciate passive damage of any sort like poison or burn as well as entry hazards to wear down the opposing team to the point that they can sweep, so I suppose that the answer to your question is yes.
Ediit: yeah, clerics aren't really needed on volturn teams since they sap momentum, and gaining momentum is the main point of using volturn lol.
Dont use a cleric at VoltTurn, they sap momentum.
Some status spreaders with VoltTurn are Thundurus-I and Whishmicott.
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Thanks for the advice, you guys. littlelucario, you said entry hazards are useful, but I don't currently have any hazard setters on my team because my U-turn user also has Defog. Would it still be a good idea to replace my cleric with a hazard setter in spite of this, or would it be better to come up with something else to replace the cleric?
The general idea of VoltTurn is to worn down your foes with repeated switches, that's why hazards AND momentum are musts, I'll give you one of the best U-Turn rockers.
Landorus-T @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 8 SpD / 8 Spe
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- U-Turn
Zone+Mamo is pretty good. Mamo+Hera is pretty powerful for just ripping holes in stuff. If ur using SR don't bother with Freeze Dry.
We'd be able to provide better help if you showed us the team. Defog+Hazards isn't necessarily bad as (at least with Rocks) you can easily re-lay them.
That's fair. I would like to post what I have so far, but this forum's rules say I should do that in Rate My Team. But the Rate My Team forum rules say I shouldn't post a team until it's been battle tested, and I'm planning on making this team on my physical cartridge so I'd like to develop it some more before I painstakingly IV breed everyone to test it - you can probably see the Catch-22 I'm in here. So I'm not sure where a good place to continue this discussion would be...
Just as a quick summary though, my current team idea is Mega Banette as lead (my original idea was I wanted to build a team around Mega Banette), Zone+Flygon (with Defog) for the VoltTurn core, Clefable for stealth rock, Vivillon for sleep support and potential sweeping, and Toxicroak as the other sweeper. Since all these guys are pretty slow, I was considering replacing Vivillon with a Galvantula with Sticky Web that could act as an alternate lead, plus provide more Volt Switch synergy and eliminate the need for Choice Scarf on my other VoltTurners.
The only good pokemon at OU you listed there were Clefable and Magnezone... Vivillon and Galvantula are horrible, Flygon is an inferior Garchomp, Toxicroak is only good at rain, Clefable kills lots of momentum ( thats why Clef is not used on VoltTurn) and Mega Banette.. well.. it doesnt really offer something useful for VoltTurn, since Rotom-W also has WoW, has actual bulk and learns Volt Switch, there are better VoltTurn megas such as Mega Beedrill, Mega Manectric, Mega Scizor or even Mega Ampharos.
I'd suggest you to check the Team Showcase to see examples of teams, for now, I'll give you an Standard VoltTurn core:
Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 248 HP / 44 Atk / 16 Def / 200 SpD
Impish Nature
- Swords Dance
- Roost
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn
Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe
Bold Nature
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Will-O-Wisp
- Pain Split
Simple Core, Scizor baits Fire types like Heatran and clicks U-turn on the switch, and then Rotom-W either forces it out (this is when hazards worn down the opposing team) or KOs Heatran with Hydro Pump, in case you predict that a Grass type like Celebi is switching in, Rotom clicks Volt Switch and enters Scizor, forcing out or KOing Celebi
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 248 HP / 44 Atk / 16 Def / 200 SpD
Impish Nature
- Swords Dance
- Roost
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn
Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe
Bold Nature
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Will-O-Wisp
- Pain Split
Simple Core, Scizor baits Fire types like Heatran and clicks U-turn on the switch, and then Rotom-W either forces it out (this is when hazards worn down the opposing team) or KOs Heatran with Hydro Pump, in case you predict that a Grass type like Celebi is switching in, Rotom clicks Volt Switch and enters Scizor, forcing out or KOing Celebi
Before I respond to this questionn, Erai14, Mega Banette is actually really solid on volturn teams, and toxicroak is a pretty underrated sweeper in OU (although it doesnt really work well on this kind of team); however flygon, vivilion, and galvantula are all pretty much complete trash in OU.
Since you have 3 completely unviable mons in mind, I recommend that you scrap this team and restart from scratch with mega bannete as your base. Since Meganette is a ghost type, it is an excellent spin blocker, and you should build a hazard stacking team around it with a few volturners for momentum. I recommend running nette+landot (for rocks)+spinner as a base for your team and expanding upon it from there, having a spiker and maybe a few other mons to run hazards.
You guys caught me - I'm a total sucker for trying to make unusual mons work on teams.
I don't want to use anything I can't breed, since I'm making this team on a physical cartridge and I don't have the resources to get perfect IV legends (and I'm kinda neurotic about IVs). But I did some research and Gliscor has the same typing and also learns SR and UT - what if my base was Meganette/Gliscor/Forretress (rapid spinner that can also learn spikes AND volt switch)? Then Hydreigon could do offense + take care of spin blockers, Tentacruel could serve as Rapid Spin backup and Toxic Spikes as an additional hazard, then some win condition sweeper to top it off?
One thing that has me a little confused - in the "Team Options" for Forretress' Volt Switch set, it says he appreciates bulky waters, and explicitly lists Vaporeon. But you guys said clerics aren't good on VoltTurn teams? If so, what kind of Vaporeon set would fit on such a team (if any)?
I don't want to use anything I can't breed, since I'm making this team on a physical cartridge and I don't have the resources to get perfect IV legends (and I'm kinda neurotic about IVs). But I did some research and Gliscor has the same typing and also learns SR and UT - what if my base was Meganette/Gliscor/Forretress (rapid spinner that can also learn spikes AND volt switch)? Then Hydreigon could do offense + take care of spin blockers, Tentacruel could serve as Rapid Spin backup and Toxic Spikes as an additional hazard, then some win condition sweeper to top it off?
One thing that has me a little confused - in the "Team Options" for Forretress' Volt Switch set, it says he appreciates bulky waters, and explicitly lists Vaporeon. But you guys said clerics aren't good on VoltTurn teams? If so, what kind of Vaporeon set would fit on such a team (if any)?
Forretress is pretty bad at OU, it doesnt fits well because its passive as hell and its only way to revover momentum is that weak-ass Volt Switch.
Ofensive Starmie is pretty much the only Spinner that doesnt kills all your momemtum because it actually nabs kills and forces switches.
If you can get Lando-T you can try using TankChomp, since it racks passive damage and phazes, but it makes you weak to Zard X.
Edit: Gliscor has better things to do, but running SR and U-turn is an option I think.
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Actually, Gliscor can work just fine for your team, it just will be a little bit less effective than landot would be, which is fine since you're breeding your team anyways, and forre is kinda ass in ou lol for the reasons stated above.
Forretress may suck on his own, but the fact that I can get Rapid Spin and Spikes on the same guy, thus opening up an extra slot for more offensive dudes, seems like it might make up for it in my team's case? Maybe I could give him Custap+Explosion too, to give him some offensive presence.
EDIT: though if you guys think I can forfeit Spikes for this team (given Tenta already has the Toxic variety) maybe I could replace him with Excadrill?
Also, I was thinking Talonflame for the final 'mon, since it a) learns U-turn, b) is high-tier (making up a bit for the low-tier guys I'm using elsewhere for the team), and c) would form a great offensive core with Hydreigon, since Flying/Fire/Dark/Ground (Earth Power) is resisted by zero pokemon and can hit over half of them super effectively.
EDIT: though if you guys think I can forfeit Spikes for this team (given Tenta already has the Toxic variety) maybe I could replace him with Excadrill?
Also, I was thinking Talonflame for the final 'mon, since it a) learns U-turn, b) is high-tier (making up a bit for the low-tier guys I'm using elsewhere for the team), and c) would form a great offensive core with Hydreigon, since Flying/Fire/Dark/Ground (Earth Power) is resisted by zero pokemon and can hit over half of them super effectively.
forretress is still ass with custap explosion because if you want a custap berry hazard setter, then you should go with custap skarm which can actually set hazards vs diancie.
Ahh ok, that makes sense. I guess what I lose in volt switch and rapid spin (which I guess isn't a big loss since tenta has rs too) I make up for in viability?
OK at this point this has moved beyond a simple question; take it to PMs please.
Ok, sorry about that. I think I've learned what I need, though.
Thanks a ton for all the advice, guys. It really helped a lot.
Getting perfect legends in game is easy. I've got lots in my thread and I'm not the only one.
Could Lando-T and Garchomp, seemingly perennially one-two in overall usage, fit on the same team? I've wondered that for a while.
It really depends on what you're using them for/ Like Double Dance Lando + TankChomp or Lando-D + SD & LO Chomp. Ground Spam (actually pretty good) is pretty hot. SD Chomp + SD / RP Lando is pretty nice but if you're ever going to make a team where your using two Grounds I have to say that Mamoswine would literally be the best partner for one (lando) of the two, mostly because of the salvageable synergy between the two and being able to take care of Bulky Grouds which they'd unfortunately struggle with.
To add to what Kidmagic said about Mamo, the "resistance" to Ice due to Thick Fat+neutrality is handy for the synergy. If u wanna pair them, make sure to bring a water resist like Venu or Empoleon.