You can use sun setters such as Klefki and Whimsicott too. Whimsi also offers an easy Growth with Memento.
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I mean, I'm not entirely sure what your point is here. Venusaur is ranked purely for being a good partner to Charizard Y and everyone agrees on that so what are you trying to say lol?
Well, Venusaur can't do much without Charizard Y. If you want to keep your mega slot "open" you then have to use Ninetales (which is a mediocre mon in general) or a Prankster sun setter (which takes up a moveslot). Of course, Charizard Y being as good as it is, the "opportunity cost" isn't necessarily as drastic as some might make it out to be.
Yeah but it's a moot point when it's purely ranked for and everyone knows it's purely ranked for Charizard Y ?_? I mean no-one's making arguments about Omastar and Kingdra who are ranked purely for Politoed so I don't really understand what the question or argument is here
The problem is more that Zard Y needs specific support to function optimally and using Venusaur causes a teambuilding constraint. Zard Y needs Pursuit support and hazard removal with a optional Sand setter to restart the weather, eating up 3-4 slots already and leaving you with 2-1 slots left after Venusaur. Venusaur is actually pretty threatening but that constraint combined with difficulty in using it with limited turns is why it's ranked as D (but I could see it being at C).
My friend says a S rank mon can't get suspected. Is that true?
p2
Banned deucer.
Yes
Just look at Clefable and Manaphy for example, they're never gonna get suspected
That's not true because Landorus and Greninja and Mega Salamence were S rank before being banned. Likewise, Hoopa-U and Manaphy will be likely candidates for the next suspect, and both are residing in S rank.
Your wording is a bit hard to understand. Since as noted above its not unusual to have an S rank mon to be suspected but inversely it doesn't ALWAYS mean Pokemon in that rank are automatically going to be suspected, see Clefable or Char-X or MAlt etc. Viability rankings aren't going to make any Pokemon immune to suspect tests, if anything the likelihood of being suspected tends to rise the higher up the rank.
Is Attract viable AT ALL in the metagame? not like I plan to use it, but still. Just wanna know.
p2
Banned deucer.
nope, not at all
Given that there are plenty of genderless pokemon in the tier and that most people just randomize their Pokemons' genders, it's generally considered a waste of a moveslot since a mon with attract may not even be able to use Attract on the same species in two different battles (bar the mons that have only 1 gender)
cool! thanks
gunk shot HYPERSPACE FURY / dark pulse, drain punch, psychic
p2
Banned deucer.
Psychic deals more damage to the likes of Hippowdon
Higher chance to OHKO Amoonguss with Psychic:
- 176 SpA Life Orb Hoopa-Unbound Psychic vs. 252 HP / 120+ SpD Amoonguss: 429-507 (99.3 - 117.3%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
- 176 SpA Life Orb Hoopa-Unbound Hyperspace Hole vs. 252 HP / 120+ SpD Amoonguss: 377-447 (87.2 - 103.4%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
- 176 SpA Life Orb Hoopa-Unbound Psychic vs. 252 HP / 144 SpD Mega Venusaur: 338-400 (92.8 - 109.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
- 176 SpA Life Orb Hoopa-Unbound Hyperspace Hole vs. 252 HP / 144 SpD Mega Venusaur: 304-359 (83.5 - 98.6%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
- 176 SpA Life Orb Hoopa-Unbound Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Hippowdon: 199-234 (47.3 - 55.7%) -- 75.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
- 176 SpA Life Orb Hoopa-Unbound Hyperspace Hole vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Hippowdon: 175-208 (41.6 - 49.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
- 176 SpA Life Orb Hoopa-Unbound Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Mega Diancie: 231-273 (95.8 - 113.2%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
- 176 SpA Life Orb Hoopa-Unbound Hyperspace Hole vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Mega Diancie: 204-242 (84.6 - 100.4%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
Would chainchomp be better as a mega garchomp or normal lo chomp?
Also what KOs does chainchomp need to get?
Also what KOs does chainchomp need to get?
Wouldn't say it's completely unviable, but Defog is mostly done better on Latias and Skarmory, due to reasons such as better defensive typing, better utility options etc., like Healing Wish on Latias and Spikes on Skarmory. It's also weak to Stealth Rock itself meaning using Defog can be a little bit of a burden on Togekiss.
it's kind of funny how even in the most advanced stages of competitive battling, it still all comes down to this chart.
http://i.imgur.com/vnstODV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vnstODV.jpg