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Resource ORAS OU Simple Questions, Simple Answers MKII (Read the OP First!) (Now with 100% more Rules!!!)

How good is scarf gardevoir?

I played with it in past and trace is fun, healing wish can also be helpful.

It's very team specific. If your weak to weather and need a weather killer + Healing wisher she works and definitely has utility but usually if your Down to that point your better off rebuilding your team.
 
What's so bad about a mon having the '4MSS'. I understand that a mon can need a specific move to beat something but why is the element of surprise ( example: most lati's don't carry t-bolt and can surprise gyara) never considered as good?
 
What's so bad about a mon having the '4MSS'. I understand that a mon can need a specific move to beat something but why is the element of surprise ( example: most lati's don't carry t-bolt and can surprise gyara) never considered as good?
4MSS is commonly misused in that sense. The version you described is for mons like Infernape, the Latis, Hoopa, or Keldeo, who deal with some checks their "main" moves don't cover and then leave remaining ones to their teammates.

Legitimate 4MSS refers to when a mon cannot function optimally in its ideal role with only 4 moves.

Banette for example wants Priority, Status, Destiny Bond, Taunt, and a decent Attacking move, but must give one of them up and loses functionality as an overall utility mon because of it.

- Without Priority, Banette is much more vulnerable to revenge killing because of its low speed and bulk

- Destiny Bond is a big niche for discouraging Revenge Kills or grabbing momentum against offense, a team where momentum matters a LOT

- It needs both Taunt and Status to neuter opponents and Stallbreak, or it becomes deadweight against bulkier teams.

- Without an attacking move, it becomes too passive since its priority moves are not strong enough to beat most opponents from full.


The Pokemon I listed before would be fully functional as Wallbreakers/Sweepers without the moves fighting over their last slot for "4MSS", whereas Banette's case is a Pokemon that has trouble in its basic role, much less in carving a niche in said role against its competition, because it cannot cover everything it needs in four moves.
 
Breloom improves your matchup vs. rain and still fits on HO

usually Earth Plate landoge fits on bulky offense, but don't quote me on that
 
klefki, azumarill, mega alakazam, grass knot thundurus, sand and zard y

eplate lando-t is usually used on teams that want a ground type breaker but lando is more capable of checking sand and charizard x and has a slightly more powerful eq and doesn't have an annoying fairy weakness. it fits on a load of different teams apart from stall really.
 
Breloom improves your matchup vs. rain and still fits on HO

usually Earth Plate landoge fits on bulky offense, but don't quote me on that
klefki, azumarill, mega alakazam, grass knot thundurus, sand and zard y

eplate lando-t is usually used on teams that want a ground type breaker but lando is more capable of checking sand and charizard x and has a slightly more powerful eq and doesn't have an annoying fairy weakness. it fits on a load of different teams apart from stall really.

Thank you for replying!
 
Anybody know why there's been an surge of offensive Salamence (among those running it, rather)? It might just be the suspect, but I noticed the regular ladder stats had a lot of people running DD and Scarf Moxie sets. At 1825, no less.

Follow-up: is the assumption that the 1825 usage stats indicate the presence of people who actually know what they're doing incorrect?
 
Well, you can use it if you want but id rather use stuff like dragon dance dragonite or dragon dance zygarde even, besides the couple of megas that get it.

Ladder uses anything, maybe they are bored or something.
 
Well, for some reason Scarf Everything and Sash Everything seem to be the go-to "creative" (read: lazy, half-ass "creative) options.

Anyway, stall. With Gothitelle out of the picture and running double pink blobs presumably not a smart idea, what's a defensive team to do nowadays?
 
Well, for some reason Scarf Everything and Sash Everything seem to be the go-to "creative" (read: lazy, half-ass "creative) options.

Anyway, stall. With Gothitelle out of the picture and running double pink blobs presumably not a smart idea, what's a defensive team to do nowadays?

Well, my defensive teams usually carry things like defensive starmie and sp def talon. A lot of non stall defensvie teams seem to be running hippo a lot nowadays. As for stall, I think running everything goth stall did without goth is still fine, even though stall is pretty much on life support. Idk, some options to run on stall now I think would be things like suicune or something.
 
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Hi... odd question.

Can Pokémon from lower tiers be viable in OU? Some of my favorite Pokémon are things like Mandibuzz, Hariyama, Rampardos, Lanturn, and other miscellaneous Pokémon from OU all the way down to PU. I just don't know if using them in OU is doomed to spectacular failure, since I prefer to use Pokémon I like.
 
*pokes head in nervously*

Hi... odd question.

Can Pokémon from lower tiers be viable in OU? Some of my favorite Pokémon are things like Mandibuzz, Hariyama, Rampardos, Lanturn, and other miscellaneous Pokémon from OU all the way down to PU. I just don't know if using them in OU is doomed to spectacular failure, since I prefer to use Pokémon I like.
Some lower tier Pokemon are indeed viable in OU (Mandibuzz comes to mind from your list), but things like Rampardos have too many crippling issues to work out in the tier.
 
*pokes head in nervously*

Hi... odd question.

Can Pokémon from lower tiers be viable in OU? Some of my favorite Pokémon are things like Mandibuzz, Hariyama, Rampardos, Lanturn, and other miscellaneous Pokémon from OU all the way down to PU. I just don't know if using them in OU is doomed to spectacular failure, since I prefer to use Pokémon I like.
Generally the better mons are OU for obvious reasons, but lower tier mons occasionally have their niches. Just make sure to use them for the things that make them unique, rather than just running a worse version of another Pokemon.

You can see which Pokemon are considered good in OU here.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...nking-thread-v4-see-post-628-page-26.3553516/

karxninja
 
*pokes head in nervously*

Hi... odd question.

Can Pokémon from lower tiers be viable in OU? Some of my favorite Pokémon are things like Mandibuzz, Hariyama, Rampardos, Lanturn, and other miscellaneous Pokémon from OU all the way down to PU. I just don't know if using them in OU is doomed to spectacular failure, since I prefer to use Pokémon I like.

This is a very tricky question. First off, I'd like to say that yes, Mandibuzz is pretty viable on more defensively oriented teams in OU. The majority of Pokemon in RU, NU, and PU aren't viable in OU. Most of the ones in UU can be used but are, for the most part, less effective then those in OU. Check out the viability rankings if you have questions about this. If a Pokemon is not in A, B, to C rank, its role is really better left to a different Pokemon.
 
So I went and picked out one Pokémon I liked from each type... Would this thread be a good place to post that list and ask about viability?
 
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