Metagame ORAS RU: Speculation Thread

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I don't know what kind of boost in bulk Pidgeot is going to receive, but if it gets decently bulkier, I was thinking it could be something like Crobat with U-turn/Hurricane/Defog/Roost. It has nice utility with a very fast (assuming it gets a nice speed upgrade) Defog, gains momentum with U-turn and it can be offensive when it wants to be. It's unlikely that Pidgeot will be as good as Crobat (worse typing, an annoying neutrality to Fighting, very likely worse speed) but I think it can provide RU with close to what Crobat does in UU.

The thing I like about Crobat is that with its blistering speed, you can just pick a target to speed creep, then dump the rest of your EVs into bulk. Pidgeot, depending on how much speed it gains, will not likely have that luxury. If it gets something like 130 speed and a small buff in bulk, then sure it could be pretty awesome. I think I would run Timid, enough speed for Virizion, then tinker around with SpAtk and HP to see what is good. Ghost immunity is nice though, so Heat Wave is kind of a must for Doublade but I was kinda hoping that with Doublade's special bulk and whatever SpAtk upgrade Pidgeot gets, it could just spam Hurricane and not care about Doublade. I don't really care about some of the other bulky stuff like Registeel as I think I'd rather just U-turn out of that.

I'm a little attached to this idea of Pidgeot being like Crobat, but it'll likelier end up being something closer to Swanna but faster.

I don't think Altaria, Lopunny, Sceptile or Gallade are gonna stay in RU.

M Lopunny is going to be uniquely good at just being really spammy (kinda like a fast version of Exploud). It can just fire off high powered moves with relatively low risk, is fast, and can just spam without much thought. That kind of spamminess I think will be in high demand even in an unkind tier like OU. It's not gonna be at the top of any sort of threat list, but I think its spamminess will be really popular. Being able to HJK into ghosts will be nice and helps ease prediction

M Altaria's typing alone is going to be in high demand in the higher tiers. It's probably the best knock off absorber in the game, has a good support movepool, and has a number of DD options that people will like to toy with (I'm personally looking forward to a mono attacking DD set with Sub/Roost/DD/Normal move). I think it will end up having viable support sets and overrated offensive sets in upper tiers. If something like Clefable can become a successful wall in OU with those mediocre stats, I'm kinda thinking Altaria can perform pretty well too. Clefable has better abilities, but I think Altaria's typing and immunity to Trick will make up for it
 
Actually, I think that offensive sets of Mega Pidgeot, aside from the 100% accuracy Hurricane, will be heavily outclassed by Moltres, unless Game Freak excels with Pidgeot's stat distribution and give it either enough Special Attack to make running Hidden Power Grass worth running or enough Speed to let it mercilessly destroy offense (and even then, it'd be sort of average, since RU isn't particularly lacking in Pokemon that can threaten that playstyle). With that in mind, I'm going to present you my take on Mega Pidgeot, which is also a pretty interesting concept that suffers from lack of Pokemon to pull it off:

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Pidgeot @ Pidgeotite
Ability: Big Pecks
EVs: Will depend on stat distribution, but maximum HP, some Speed and then either Defense or Special Attack shall do.
Timid Nature (Same as above, if its Speed tier ends up being ridiculous, I guess Bold could do)
- Feather Dance
- Hurricane
- Roost
- Heat Wave / U-turn / Toxic / Defog

Feather Dance is a move with a really limited distribution, and most stuff that has access to it is either lacking in a good defensive typing (and Pidgeot is actually no exception, but being able to Mega Evolve is huge) or the stats to make use of it. With Feather Dance you can do some cool stuff, like stalling strong physical moves such as Rhyperior's Stone Edge and Druddigon's Outrage, as well as absorbing Knock Off from some Pokemon and forcing switches to rack up passive damage. Everything else of relevance has already been mentioned, including its utility as a fast pivot (although I don't think it'll work like Crobat, due to its lack of Taunt) and strong offensive presence thanks to the combination of Hurricane and No Guard and coverage through Heat Wave, although the later isn't really mandatory on this set, considering you can run U-turn for scouting purposes, Toxic to combo with Feather Dance or even Defog if hazard control is required.

All in all, I think that Mega Pidgeot was a kind gift from Game Freak to those who like both the old and the useless Pokemon, and it actually has potential to become mildly viable, even if it doesn't get anything added to its moveset.
 
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It seems like Glalie's stat boosts are exclusively in its offenses, with Attack and Special Attack getting around the same boost and Speed getting a bit of a lesser boost, and the most likely stat spread atm is 80/120/80/120/80/100. Happy theorymonning :).
 
Update:

Steelix is likely 75/121/230/55/99/30 if it has an Adamant nature. This fits the +100 BST precedent. - Stellar

Mega Steelix's base stats :)

EDIT: more accurate, 75/125/230/55/95/30 are Steelix's actual base stats :)
 
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252+ Atk Refrigerate Glalie Explosion vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 313-369 (93.7 - 110.4%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Refrigerate Glalie Explosion vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 369-435 (104.8 - 123.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

ayy lmao
 
Delibird is Amazing said:
252+ Atk Refrigerate Glalie Explosion vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 313-369 (93.7 - 110.4%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Refrigerate Glalie Explosion vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 369-435 (104.8 - 123.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

ayy lmao
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The calcs are impressive, but keep in mind this thread is to speculate on how Glalie would fair in the RU meta game and neither of those Pokemon is in RU.
 
Montsegur said:
The calcs are impressive, but keep in mind this thread is to speculate on how Glalie would fair in the RU meta game and neither of those Pokemon is in RU.
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idk why this is such a big deal cuz ur losing your mega!! i mean come on its sooooooo not worth it might as well run a d bond mon lol
 
N64Gary said:
idk why this is such a big deal cuz ur losing your mega!! i mean come on its sooooooo not worth it might as well run a d bond mon lol
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Idk why you quoted my post lol? But the reason is that it is a way to prevent hazard removal.
 
Also the only real viable Destiny Bond user is Mega Banette iirc and that's dependent on what move they use.
 
Montsegur said:
Idk why you quoted my post lol? But the reason is that it is a way to prevent hazard removal.
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ur mega for a lil drilbur using rapid spin, sounds legit and u find out its sashed

they should have made it ghost ice for medi cuz then it wud be ok for ou
 
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N64Gary said:
idk why this is such a big deal cuz ur losing your mega!! i mean come on its sooooooo not worth it might as well run a d bond mon lol
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RU doesn't exactly have a lot of options for Megas atm, so taking up the Mega slot isn't that big of a deal.
 
N64Gary said:
ur mega for a lil drilbur using rapid spin, sounds legit and u find out its sashed
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N64Gary said:
they should have made it ghost ice for medi cuz then it wud be ok for ou
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First off, please stop posting one liners like this, they add literally nothing to the discussion. Secondly, please don't double post, there is an edit button their for a reason. Thirdly, and perhaps most relative to this thread, Explosion would still stop rapid spin because after it explodes there will be no target and rapid spin will fail, the same is true of defog, which is why people are stating that Explosion has merit on a Glalie set (aside from being a huge nuke).
 
I realized that M-Steelix has almost the same stats as M-Aggron. More overall bulk, but worse attack and speed. Just saying.
 
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mega sharpedo set
Sharpedo
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 32 SpD / 224 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Ice Fang
- Waterfall
- Crunch
- Protect
this is if tutors arnt in the game (which will ruin the game for me and many others) its obvious what u do with this protect and get +1 speed if ur opponent swaps u get +2 if u want, then (if they dont have mach punch) mega and sweep BTW the spd is for like scald and ice beams for switch in speed isnt the biggest concern with speed boost unfoutunetly i cant see this in ou due to ferro if tutors arnt in cuz no fire fang....
 
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I'm beyond happy. Steelix is finally getting some attention along with Glalie. Also amazing design. zits just so beautiful. n_n
I had a feeling that Mega Glalie was going to get Refridgerate. Now players can start spamming explosion. Mega Steelix ability Sand Force will probably allow it to be much more useful now in not just single but double and triple battles paired with T-Tar.

I was seriously hoping for Steelix to lose its Ground typing so that it wouldn't have to worry about Water Types as well as gain some resistances.
 
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I'd imagine glaile will get +20 to all stats except hp to keep all of its stats equal. lol I'm dumb and didn't see the screenshots, carry on. Anyway, mega glaile won't really be that good as a spikes lead honestly, it has terrible defensive typing, mediocre speed before mega evolving, and most importantly, it can't use focus sash, meaning that pretty much every offensive team has something that can outspeed and OHKO it turn one. Offensive sets might be really good though depending on its stats.
 
From what I've read, both in this thread and on IRC, I think that there is a little misconception regarding the role Mega Glalie's will most likely play in the ORAS metagame, which I plan to clear up with this post. First of all, here's an example of a possible Mega Glalie set:

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Glalie @ Glalienite
Ability: Ice Body -> Refrigerate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly / Adamant Nature
- Explosion
- Return / Double-Edge
- Spikes
- Earthquake / Ice Shard / Taunt / Crunch

Now, Glalie isn't really meant to be a dedicated Spikes setter, for many obvious reasons, including that RU isn't really lacking in those, and wasting a Mega slot on one would be ridiculously expensive in many senses, especially considering that there will be many new cool Mega Pokemon in RU. What Glalie should be aiming to do is to punch holes through the enemy team with its powerful Refrigerate-boosted Return (or even Double-Edge), while using the switches it forces to lay some Spikes down occasionally, which Glalie does really well too, considering that there isn't any Pokemon that can both remove hazards and safely switch into it at the same time. It's really similar to the Spikes Greninja set in OU, except that it doesn't really have the Speed to constantly threaten offense super hard. However, it does have some unique perks, and those are what make this one of my favorite Mega Evolutions revealed so far. Refrigerate Explosion is insane, and it pretty much plummets through every Pokemon in RU (Doublade, one of the tankiest Ice-type resists in the tier, takes a maximum of 44% damage, which is something not even some Super Effective moves do to it). It also has a chance of OHKOing Cresselia, a Pokemon with 120/120 Physical bulk after Stealth Rock damage. Yeah, you got it by now. Glalie has also a lot of niche options along with that. It has a decently strong Ice Shard, Taunt, and two good coverage moves to complement its STAB.

In the end, while Glalie is indeed meant to lean towards the support side of offensive teams, it does a lot more than setting up Spikes. It punches holes ridiculously well, and is a really strong example of a flawlessly done offensive Ice-type, possessing the Speed, Attack and uniqueness to perform, even if only in RU (I could totally see it having a big niche in UU though, but that's beside the point).
 
Magnemite said:
I'd imagine glaile will get +20 to all stats except hp to keep all of its stats equal. lol I'm dumb and didn't see the screenshots, carry on. Anyway, mega glaile won't really be that good as a spikes lead honestly, it has terrible defensive typing, mediocre speed before mega evolving, and most importantly, it can't use focus sash, meaning that pretty much every offensive team has something that can outspeed and OHKO it turn one. Offensive sets might be really good though depending on its stats.
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Sadly, you are correct in that it won't be an amazing lead like I would love. It would, howecer, play sort of like Greninja in OU and how it can force out its usual counters by setting Spikes or just wreck stuff by blowing up
 
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