Gen 6 ORAS Speed Tiers v2

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i've taken over this since tnt quit so yeah, same stuff as last time. post here if there are any irrelevant / redundant speeds that i should remove, and follow the format below if you think a new threat should be added to the list.

format: Final Speed Stat / Pokemon / Base Speed / Nature / EVs / Boost / Altered IVs (if necessary)

example: 350 / Metagross (Mega), Diancie (Mega), Latias (Mega), Gengar, Latias, Latios, Froslass / 110 / +Spe / 252 / 0

Third Draft of the ORAS OU Speed Tiers


Tier 0 [>525; >max scarf 110s]

732 / Hawlucha / 118 / +Spe / 244 / +2
710 / Scolipede / 112 / +Spe / 252 / +2
656 / Charizard (Mega-X), Volcarona / 100 / +Spe / 252 / +2
630 / Terrakion / 108 / Neutral / 252 / +2
620 / Charizard (Mega-X), Volcarona / 100 / +Spe / 184 / +2
606 / Diancie (Mega), Metagross (Mega) / 110 / Neutral / 188 / +2
604 / Excadrill / 88 / +Spe / 252 / +2
578 / Sharpedo / 95 / Neutral / 252 / +2
568 / Altaria (Mega), Dragonite, Kabutops / 80 / +Spe / 252 / +2
552 / Landorus-Therian / 91 / Neutral / 232 / +2
550 / Excadrill / 88 / Neutral / 252 / +2
533 / Scolipede / 112 / +Spe / 252 / +1
530 / Venusaur / 80 / +Spe / 180 / +2
530 / Tyranitar (Mega), Tyrantrum / 71 / +Spe / 252 / +2
526 / Kingdra / 85 / Neutral / 228 / +2

Tier 1 [406 - 525; >max speed base 135s to max scarf 110s]

525 / Gengar, Latios / 110 / +Spe / 252 / +1
524 / Cloyster, Swampert (Mega) / 70 / +Spe / 252 / +2
519 / Keldeo, Terrakion / 108 / +Spe / 252 / +1
518 / Altaria (Mega), Dragonite, Kabutops / 80 / Neutral / 252 / +2
510 / Diggersby / 78 / Neutral / 252 / +2
508 / Kingdra / 85 / Neutral / 192 / +2
499 / Garchomp / 102 / +Spe / 252 / +1
492 / Charizard (Mega-X), Jirachi, Staraptor, Victini / 100 / +Spe / 252 / +1
488 / Dragonite / 80 / Neutral / 192 / +2
486 / Hydreigon / 98 / +Spe / 252 / +1
482 / Venusaur / 80 / Neutral / 180 / +2
482 / Tyranitar (Mega), Tyrantrum / 71 / Neutral / 252 / +2
478 / Swampert (Mega) / 70 / Neutral / 252 / +2
465 / Charizard (Mega-X), Volcarona / 100 / +Spe / 184 / +1
465 / Kyurem-Black / 95 / +Spe / 224 / +1
464 / Seismitoad / 74 / Neutral / 192 / +2
463 / Sharpedo (Mega) / 105 / Neutral / 252 / +1
463 / Landorus-Therian / 91 / +Spe / 252 / +1
453 / Excadrill / 88 / +Spe / 252 / +1
438 / Aerodactyl (Mega), Alakazam (Mega) / 150 / +Spe / 252 / 0
433 / Sharpedo, Zygarde / 95 / Neutral / 252 / +1
430 / Gyarados, Gyarados (Mega) / 81 / +Spe / 252 / +1
427 / Beedrill (Mega), Sceptile (Mega) / 145 / +Spe / 252 / 0
420 / Diggersby, Feraligatr / 78 / +Spe / 252 / +1
418 / Omastar / 55 / Neutral / 252 / +2
417 / Heatran / 77 / +Spe / 252 / +1
414 / Ampharos (Mega) / 45 / +Spe / 252 / +2

Tier 2 [351 - 405; >max speed base 110s to max speed base 135s]

405 / Lopunny (Mega), Manectric (Mega) / 135 / +Spe / 252 / 0
397 / Tyranitar (Mega), Tyrantrum / 71 / +Spe / 252 / +1
394 / Aerodactyl / 130 / +Spe / 252 / 0
391 / Magneton / 70 / +Spe / 252 / +1 / 30 IV [Hidden Power Fire]
391 / Gyarados, Gyarados (Mega) / 81 / Neutral / 252 / +1
388 / Altaria (Mega), Dragonite / 80 / Neutral / 252 / +1
386 / Talonflame / 126 / +Spe / 252 / 0
386 / Diancie / 50 / Neutral / 188 / +2
383 / Weavile / 125 / +Spe / 252 / 0
382 / Diggersby, Feraligatr / 78 / Neutral / 252 / +1
381 / Gyarados / 81 / Neutral / 224 / +1
378 / Ampharos (Mega)/ 45 / Spe / 252 / +2
375 / Pidgeot (Mega), Tornadus-Therian / 121 / +Spe / 252 / 0
373 / Chesnaught / 64 / +Spe / 252 / +1
372 / Alakazam, Dugtrio, Sceptile / 120 / +Spe / 252 / 0
369 / Lopunny (Mega) / 135 / Neutral / 252 / 0
366 / Hawlucha / 118 / +Spe / 244 / 0
366 / Dragonite / 80 / Neutral / 192 / +1
364 / Tyranitar / 61 / +Spe / 252 / +1
363 / Talonflame / 126 / +Spe / 168 / 0
361 / Azelf, Houndoom (Mega), Raikou, Starmie / 115 / +Spe / 252 / 0
361 / Tyrantrum / 71 / Neutral / 252 / +1
358 / Magnezone / 60 / +Spe / 252 / +1 / 30IV [Hidden Power Fire]
357 / Serperior / 113 / +Spe / 252 / 0
356 / Serperior / 113 / +Spe / 252 / 0 / 30IV [Hidden Power Fire]
355 / Scolipede / 112 / +Spe / 252 / 0
353 / Thundurus, Tornadus / 111 / +Spe / 252 / 0

Tier 3 [300 - 350; >max speed neutral base 100s to max speed base 110s]

350 / Diancie (Mega), Froslass, Gallade (Mega), Gengar, Latias, Latias (Mega), Latios, Latios (Mega), Metagross (Mega) / 110 / +Spe / 252 / 0
349 / Diancie (Mega), Latias, Latios / 110 / +Spe / 252 / 0 / 30 IV [Hidden Power Fire]
346 / Cobalion, Infernape, Keldeo, Terrakion / 108 / +Spe / 252 / 0
339 / Lopunny, Manectric, Mega Pinsir / 105 / +Spe / 252 / 0
333 / Garchomp / 102 / +Spe / 252 / 0
331 / Pidgeot, Thundurus-Therian / 101 / +Spe / 252 / 0
328 / Celebi, Charizard (Mega-X), Charizard (Mega-Y), Gardevoir (Mega), Manaphy, Medicham (Mega), Victini / 100 / +Spe / 252 / 0
327 / Celebi, Gardevoir (Mega), Manaphy / 100 / +Spe / 252 / 0 / 30 IV [Hidden Power Fire]
317 / Kyurem-Black / 95 / +Spe / 252 / 0
315 / Terrakion / 108 / Neutral / 252 / 0
311 / Garchomp (Mega) / 92 / +Spe / 252 / 0
310 / Charizard (Mega-X), Volcarona / 100 / +Spe / 184 / 0
309 / Landorus-Therian / 91 / +Spe / 252 / 0
309 / Lopunny, Pinsir (Mega), Sharpedo (Mega) / 105 / Neutral / 252 / 0
306 / Lucario / 90 / +Spe / 252 / 0
303 / Garchomp / 102 / Neutral / 252 / 0
303 / Diancie (Mega), Metagross (Mega) / 110 / Neutral / 188 / 0
302 / Excadrill / 88 / +Spe / 252 / 0
301 / Thundurus-Therian / 101 / Neutral / 252 / 0
300 / Latias (Mega) / 110 / Neutral / 176 / 0

Tier 4 [263 - 299; >max speed base 70s to max speed neutral base 100s]

299 / Charizard, Charizard (Mega-X), Charizard (Mega-Y), Entei, Gardevoir (Mega), Medicham (Mega), Staraptor, Victini / 100 / Neutral / 252 / 0
295 / Heracross, Pinsir, Nidoking, Toxicroak / 85 / +Spe / 252 / 0
295 / Hydreigon / 98 / Neutral / 252 / 0
289 / Kyurem, Kyurem-Black, Sharpedo, Zygarde / 95 / Neutral / 252 / 0
287 / Gyarados, Gyarados (Mega) / 81 / +Spe / 252 / 0
286 / Suicune / 85 / +Spe / 216 / 0
284 / Altaria, Altaria (Mega), Dragonite, Gallade, Gardevoir, Mamoswine, Togekiss / 80 / +Spe / 252 / 0
283 / Garchomp (Mega) / 92 / Neutral / 252 / 0
282 / Gliscor / 95 / Neutral / 224 / 0
281 / Landorus-Therian / 91 / Neutral / 252 / 0
280 / Diggersby, Feraligatr / 78 / +Spe / 252 / 0
279 / Lucario / 90 / Neutral / 252 / 0
278 / Heatran / 77 / +Spe / 252 / 0
276 / Landorus-Therian / 91 / Neutral / 232 / 0
275 / Excadrill / 88 / Neutral / 252 / 0
274 / Mew / 100 / Neutral / 152 / 0
273 / Beedrill, Heracross (Mega), Scizor (Mega) / 75 / +Spe / 252 / 0
269 / Heracross, Pinsir / 85 / Neutral / 252 / 0
268 / Whimsicott / 116 / Neutral / 0 / 0
266 / Charizard (Mega-X), Mew / 100 / Neutral / 120 / 0
265 / Venusaur / 80 / +Spe / 180 / 0
265 / Tyranitar (Mega), Tyrantrum / 71 / +Spe / 252 / 0
264 / Landorus-Therian / 91 / +Spe / 88 / 0
264 / Togekiss / 80 / +Spe / 176 / 0
263 / Latias (Mega) / 110 / Neutral / 28 / 0
263 / Garchomp / 102 / Neutral / 92 / 0
263 / Celebi, Jirachi, Mew / 100 / Neutral / 108 / 0
263 / Gliscor / 95 / Neutral / 148 / 0

Tier 5 [200 - 262; >max speed neutral base 50s to max speed base 70s]

262 / Bisharp, Breloom, Cloyster, Metagross, Skarmory, Swampert (Mega), Volcanion / 70 / +Spe / 252 / 0
261 / Gyarados, Gyarados (Mega) / 81 / Neutral / 252 / 0
259 / Altaria, Altaria (Mega), Dragonite, Gardevoir, Mamoswine, Togekiss, Venusaur / 80 / Neutral / 252 / 0
258 / Venusaur / 80 / Neutral / 252 / 0 / 30 IV [Hidden Power Fire]
255 / Diggersby, Feraligatr / 78 / Neutral / 252 / 0
254 / Kingdra / 85 / Neutral / 192 / 0
249 / Chesnaught / 64 / +Spe / 252 / 0
249 / Heracross (Mega), Scizor (Mega) / 75 / Neutral / 252 / 0
244 / Garchomp / 102 / Neutral / 16 / 0
244 / Celebi, Mew / 100 / Neutral / 32 / 0
244 / Gliscor / 95 / Neutral / 72 / 0
244 / Dragonite / 80 / Neutral / 192 / 0
243 / Tyranitar / 61 / +Spe / 252 / 0
241 / Tentacruel, Zapdos / 100 / Neutral / 20 / 0
241 / Venusaur / 80 / Neutral / 180 / 0
241 / Tyrantrum / 71 / Neutral / 252 / 0
240 / Swampert / 60 / +Spe / 252 / 0
240 / Manaphy / 100 / Neutral / 16 / 0
239 / Bisharp, Breloom, Metagross, Swampert (Mega), Volcanion / 70 / Neutral / 252 / 0
239 / Heracross / 85 / Neutral / 132 / 0
239 / Magnezone / 60 / +Spe / 252 / 0 / 30 IV [Hidden Power Fire]
236 / Jirachi / 100 / Neutral / 0 / 0
233 / Latias, Latios, Metagross (Mega) / 110 / +Spe / 252 / -1
229 / Crawdaunt / 55 / +Spe / 252 / 0
221 / Tyranitar / 61 / Neutral / 252 / 0
220 / Landorus-Therian / 91 / Neutral / 8 / 0
219 / Rotom-Wash / 86 / Neutral / 44 / 0
219 / Heracross (Mega) / 75 / Neutral / 132 / 0
219 / Swampert / 60 / Neutral / 252 / 0
218 / Azumarill, Diancie / 50 / +Spe / 252 / 0
218 / Magnezone / 60 / Neutral / 252 / 0 / 30IV [Hidden Power Fire]
218 / Victini / 100 / +Spe / 252 / -1
209 / Empoleon / 60 / Neutral / 212 / 0
209 / Ampharos, Crawdaunt / 55 / Neutral / 252 / 0
208 / Rotom-Wash / 86 / Neutral / 0 / 0
207 / Heatran / 77 / Neutral / 68 / 0
206 / Cresselia, Suicune / 85 / Neutral / 0 / 0
200 / Altaria, Altaria (Mega), Goodra, Mandibuzz, Venusaur, Venusaur (Mega) / 80 / Neutral / 16 / 0
200 / Venusaur (Mega) / 80 / Neutral / 20 / 0 / 30 IV [Hidden Power Fire]
200 / Tyranitar / 61 / Neutral / 208 / 0

Tier 6 [137 - 199; >uninvested base 50s to max speed neutral base 50s]

199 / Azumarill / 50 / Neutral / 252 / 0
199 / Victini / 100 / Neutral / 252 / -1
197 / Blastoise, Blastoise (Mega) / 78 / Neutral / 20 / 0
196 / Togekiss, Venusaur, Venusaur (Mega) / 80 / Neutral / 0 / 0
195 / Venusaur (Mega) / 80 / Neutral / 0 / 0 / 30 IV [Hidden Power Fire]
189 / Ampharos (Mega) / 45 / Neutral / 252 / 0
186 / Klefki, Scizor (Mega) / 75 / Neutral / 0 / 0
183 / Diancie / 50 / Neutral / 188 / 0
178 / Metagross / 70 / Neutral / 8 / 0
177 / Magnezone / 60 / Neutral / 88 / 0 / 30 IV [Hidden Power Fire]
177 / Tyranitar / 61 / Neutral / 76 / 0
177 / Azumarill / 50 / Neutral / 164 / 0
176 / Politoed, Skarmory, Metagross / 70 / Neutral / 0 / 0
166 / Alomomola, Scizor / 65 / Neutral / 0 / 0
164 / Chesnaught / 64 / Neutral / 0 / 0
159 / Sylveon / 60 / Neutral / 16 / 0 / 30 IV [Hidden Power Fire]
158 / Tyranitar / 61 / Neutral / 0 / 0
156 / Clefable, Empoleon, Porygon2, Sylveon / 60 / Neutral / 0 / 0
146 / Ampharos, Blissey / 55 / Neutral / 0 / 0
142 / Tyranitar / 61 / -Spe / 0 / 0
138 / Dragalge / 44 / Neutral / 56 / 0

Tier 7 [<137; uninvested base 50s and below]

136 / Aggron (Mega), Azumarill, Chansey, Sableye / 50 / Neutral / 0 / 0
131 / Conkeldurr / 45 / Neutral / 20 / 0
130 / Hippowdon / 47 / Neutral / 0 / 0
126 / Ampharos (Mega) / 45 / Neutral / 0 / 0
124 / Dragalge / 44 / Neutral / 0 / 0
122 / Tangrowth / 50 / -Spe / 0 / 0
121 / Tangrowth / 50 / -Spe / 0 / 0 / 30 IV [Hidden Power Fire]
116 / Rhyperior / 40 / Neutral / 0 / 0
114 / Gastrodon / 39 / Neutral / 0 / 0
102 / Gastrodon / 39 / -Spe / 0 / 0
96 / Amoonguss, Cofagrigus, Slowbro, Slowbro (Mega) / 30 / Neutral / 0 / 0
95 / Quagsire / 35 / -Spe / 0 / 0
83 / Dragalge / 44 / -Spe / 0 / 0 / 0 IV
76 / Ferrothorn, Mega Sableye / 20 / Neutral / 0 / 0
63 / Bronzong / 33 / -Spe / 0 / 0 / 0IV [Gyro Ball]
58 / Amoonguss, Cofagrigus, Reuniclus, Slowbro, Slowbro (Mega) / 30 / -Spe / 0 / 0 / 0 IV
40 / Ferrothorn / 20 / -Spe / 0 / 0 / 0 IV [Gyro Ball

Note1: Paralyzed Pokemon have their speed reduced to 1/4 of its original value.
Note2: Mega Evolutions and their base formes are separated.
 
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Even if Bronzong isn't used much, it should still be in the right speed tier (Bronzong has 33 base Speed, not 30):


Speed tiers where Bronzong presently is (corrected version):
96 / Amoonguss, Cofagrigus, Slowbro, Slowbro (Mega) / 30 / Neutral / 0 / 0
58 / Amoonguss, Cofagrigus, Reuniclus, Slowbro, Slowbro (Mega) / 30 / -Spe / 0 / 0 / 0 IV

Speed tiers where Bronzong should be in:
64 / Bronzong / 33 / -Spe / 0 / 0 / 1IV [Gyro Ball, Trick Room, Hidden Power Ice]
63 / Bronzong / 33 / -Spe / 0 / 0 / 0IV [Gyro Ball, Trick Room]
 

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Reposting from previous thread.

Add this for Rotom-W and remove the 208 Speed (zero investment) one; it's the recommended spread on Dex to outspeed Adamant Crawdaunt.

210 / Rotom-Wash / 86 / Neutral / 8 / 0
 
Tangrowth should be added to the list due to its utility alongside Regenerator:

122 / Diancie, Tangrowth / 50 / -Spe / 0 / 0
121 / Tangrowth / 50 / -Spe / 0 / 0 / 30 IV [Hidden Power Fire]

Gothitelle should be removed after the ban from OU.​

Whimsicott (a C threat on the Viability Ranking List):

268 / Whimsicott / 116 / Neutral / 0 / 0
 
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bludz

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Please remove these benchmarks:

221 / Heatran / 77 / Neutral / 124 / 0
221 / Scizor (Mega) / 75 / Neutral / 140 / 0

They are totally irrelevant.

I'll probably go through the whole list later, looks like there's some things that are from ancient spreads that are no longer used.
 
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122 / Victini / 100 / -Spe / 0 / -1 / 0 IV [Trick Room]
122 / Diancie / 50 / -Spe / 0 / 0
122 / Diancie, Tangrowth / 50 / -Spe / 0 / 0
121 / Tangrowth / 50 / -Spe / 0 / 0 / 30 IV [Hidden Power Fire]
You should remove Diance because you already copied&pasted the two pokemons with 122 Spe (Diance and Tangrowth) but you forgot to delete the previous line (which I bolded).
 
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Hey, I noticed that the only benchmarks listed for Scolipede are for Jolly nature. This is fine, although I feel that the benchmarks for Adamant Scolipede should be added as well since Adamant is generally used more than Jolly at the moment (as well as being the recommended nature in the analysis):

646 / Scolipede / 112 / Neutral / 252 / +2
485 / Scolipede / 112 / Neutral / 252 / +1
323 / Scolipede / 112 / Neutral / 252 / 0

And also Happy New Years to all :toast:
 
I was bored, so I decided to check through the list for any abnormalities. Here's the list of what I found (wall of text incoming):

600 / Diancie (Mega), Metagross (Mega) / 110 / Neutral / 176 / +2 (this should be changed into 606 / Diancie (Mega), Metagross (Mega) / 110 / Neutral / 188 / +2 to reflect both's RP set)

176 / Diancie / 50 / Neutral / 160 / 0 (this should be changed to 183 / Diancie / 50 / Neutral / 188 / 0 for the same reasons stated above)

302 / Diancie (Mega), Metagross (Mega) / 110 / Neutral / 188 / 0 (bolded part is wrong: it should be 303 and placed over 302 / Excadrill / 88 / +Spe / 252 / 0)

Also, if it has boosted before MegaEvolving to keep its pre-Mega bulk before sweeping
386 / Diancie / 50 / Neutral / 188 / +2
442 / Hydreigon / 98 / Neutral / 252 / +1 (Modest Scarfed Hydreigon exists. It probably should be added)

389 / Beedrill (Mega), Sceptile (Mega) / 145 / Neutral / 252 / 0 (this benchmark is useless. Please remove it)

378 / Ampharos (Mega)/ 45 / Spe / 252 / +2 (Modest is the prefered nature for Agility M-Amphy. Please add it)

309 / Lopunny, Pinsir (Mega), Sharpedo (Mega) / 105 / Neutral / 252 / 0 (Adamant M-Pinsir is legit. It should probably be added)

301 / Pidgeot, Thundurus-Therian / 101 / Neutral / 252 / 0 (Pidgeot should never have a speed-neutral nature. Please remove it from this benchmark)

269 / Heracross, Pinsir / 85 / Neutral / 252 / 0 (Adamant Pinsir is legit. It should probably be added)

250 / Altaria, Altaria (Mega) / 80 / Neutral / 216 (not sure that benchmark's purpose. It's probably outdated. If so, then it should be removed)

207 / Heatran / 77 / Neutral / 68 / 0 (I think this should be added since it represents standard SpDef Heatran's speed benchmark)


177 / Magnezone / 60 / Neutral / 88 / 0 / 30 IV [Hidden Power Fire]
177 / Ditto / 48 / -Spe / 0 / +1
178 / Metagross / 70 / Neutral / 8 / 0 (this should be placed above Specs Magnezone)
177 / Azumarill / 50 / Neutral / 164 / 0


158 / Volcanion / 70 / -Spe / 0 / 0 (since it's still not available, this benchmark is irrevelant and should be removed)

126 / Ampharos (Mega), Granbull / 45 / Neutral / 0 / 0 (Granbull is irrelevant and should be removed)

109 / Chesnaught / 64 / Neutral / 0 / -1 (Chesnaught no longer relies on Hammer Arm as a STAB move since it now has access to Drain Punch, so this benchmark should be removed)

If there's anything in there you disagree with, you can dismiss it as you please.
 

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K so my long overdue check on some of this has been mostly done (I didn't check the bottom tier really)

382 / Diggersby, Feraligatr / 78 / Neutral / 252 / +1

363 / Talonflame / 126 / +Spe / 168 / 0

310 / Charizard (Mega-X), Volcarona / 100 / +Spe / 184 / 0

300 / Latias (Mega) / 110 / Neutral / 176 / 0

285 / Gliscor, Kyurem, Kyurem-Black / 95 / Neutral / 236 / 0

282 / Gliscor / 95 / Neutral / 224 / 0

274 / Mew / 100 / Neutral / 152 / 0

266 / Charizard (Mega-X), Mew / 100 / Neutral / 120 / 0

265 / Venusaur / 80 / +Spe / 180 / 0

263 / Latias (Mega) / 110 / Neutral / 28 / 0

244 / Garchomp / 102 / Neutral / 16 / 0
244 / Celebi, Mew / 100 / Neutral / 32 / 0
244 / Gliscor / 95 / Neutral / 72 / 0

241 / Venusaur / 80 / Neutral / 180 / 0

209 / Empoleon / 60 / Neutral / 212 / 0

177 / Ditto / 48 / -Spe / 0 / +1


I'm not going to provide justification for every single one of these but I'll just give a quick rundown on why I would ask to remove things.

1. Irrelevant speed creeps. 184 on ZardX / Volcarona is basically irrelevant now, as are many of the speed creeps on here (if you look at them in comparison to what they're creeping, you'll see how useless this knowledge is). Everything at the 244 range is for Jolly Ttar which only runs Jolly if it carries a Scarf.
2. Bad natures. Feraligatrs should not run Adamant in OU and Scarf Diggersby should be Jolly. I can kinda get leaving Gatr just as a reference point but Adamant Scarf Diggersby is ridiculously irrelevant. Not sure what -Spe nature Ditto is for so yeah
3. What is this? 180 on Venusaur, 212 on Empoleon. Just not sure what the hell these benchmarks are.

Things I would recommend adding:

316 / Kyurem-Black / 95 / +Spe / 252 / 30 IV (Hidden Power Fire)

290 / Talonflame / 126 / Neutral / 8 / 0

288 / Kyurem-Black / 95 / Neutral / 252 / 30 IV (Hidden Power Fire)

Granted a lot of Talonflames run their own speed creeps but this is basically the min speed Talonflame that you'll see so I think this is worth benchmarking.
 
I'd suggest to add the 263 benchmark to outspeed +Spe base 70s (Volcanion, Breloom, Bisharp, Metagross) if you want to get rid of the 244 bench mark. (Chomp is already listed)
263 / Celebi, Mew / 100 / Neutral / 108 / 0
263 / Gliscor / 95 / Neutral / 148 / 0
 
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You might want to add +1 speed Volcanion seeing as some people use Flame Charge on it because after it hits +1 there are some relevant mons Volcanion outspeeds and OHKOs. It also works for Choice Scarf although uncommon.

393 / Volcanion / 70 / +Spe / 252 / +1
 
I suggest adding slowking to the same places where slowbro is, because it isnt listed anywhere at all. Also for some reason 58 is the only one i see that doesnt have specification for why the IVs are zero, so i suggest adding the specification that its for trick room.

96 / Amoonguss, Cofagrigus, Slowbro, Slowbro (Mega), Slowking / 30 / Neutral / 0 / 0
58 / Amoonguss, Cofagrigus, Reuniclus, Slowbro, Slowbro (Mega), Slowking / 30 / -Spe / 0 / 0 / 0 IV [Trick Room]
 
Not sure what -Spe nature Ditto is for so yeah
Relaxed Ditto is used for the incredibly rare occurrence of last mon Struggle fight of Ditto vs Ditto, where the slowest ( or luckiest Ditto if they are tied) wins. The nature doesn't matter outside of Imposter or this occurrence because Ditto will be doing jack shit anyway (opp has a Sub or something).

Couple ones to add:

371 / Alakazam, Sceptile / 120 / +Spe / 252 / 0 / 30 IV [Hidden Power Fire]
523 / Latios, Gengar / 110 / +Spe / 252 / +1 / 30 IV {Hidden Power Fire]
207 / Rotom-Wash / 86 / Neutral / 0 / 30 IV (for slow volt switch against 31 IV Rotoms) (not huge but the speed drop doesnt heavily impact rotom in a negative way ( if at all really unless you're 1v1' ing another Rotom) and the speed drop guarantees you switch last always unless the opp did the same)
 

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Edited this and removed everything that has been taken off the VR (Shuckle, Absol, etc)

Should everything Trick Room related just be removed entirely?
 

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oops forgot to update this ty celtic

yes everything trick room should just be dropped since it sucks ass
 
The following speed benchmarks should be added due to their new-found (more or less) revelency:

488 / Dragonite / 80 / Neutral / 192 / +2 (not mandatory)
366 / Dragonite / 80 / Neutral / 192 / +1 (not mandatory)
295 / Hydreigon / 98 / Neutral / 252 / 0
286 / Suicune / 85 / +Spe / 216 / 0
244 / Dragonite / 80 / Neutral / 192 / 0
239 / Heracross / 85 / Neutral / 132 / 0
219 / Heracross (Mega) / 75 / Neutral / 132 / 0
 

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