OU BlitzBreak

[Styx]

...Hello and welcome to Styxs, FIRST RMT on the Smogon Forum

I No that i dont have alot of posts..but who cares ive been playing for a long time..... Im More Of An Offensive Player myself in the new age of DPP i Believe offense is the best defense and with this team id like to prove it so with out further adu..

BlitzBreak i got the name because just like most standard OU teams it packs alot of punch in with the twists and turns. I Dont have the weakness chart yet but ill get it later and edit if this thread becomes more popular.... ...


The Lead

SwampFinger (Swampert) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP/158 Def/100 SDef
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Stealth Rock
- Roar

Standard Swampert lead... Allows me to set up stealth rock and have some Electric coverage... Thanks rey ;)
Deadly Damage

Blitz (Zapdos) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/84 Def/170 Spd
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Roost
- Thunderbolt
- Heat Wave
- Hidden Power [Grass]




Zappy Is A Pure Beast with its great HP, Defense, and Special attack i cant complain.... he covers a lot of weaknesses here. and is able to roost

OH no Not A.....

Sargoth (Salamence) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 200 Atk/252 Spd/58 SAtk
Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage



DDance Salamence is a monster... Pull him out on most walls or attackers use ddance once and just sweep from there... Life orb is for extra damage

Weather Control

DinoSawr (Tyranitar) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP/152 Atk/108 Def
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Crunch
- Focus Punch
- Substitue
- Stone Edge



Tyranitar is mostly to absorb, ice beams t bolts psychic and Fire blasts lol he really matches well with latias and the sub punch set is a great set... This set counters Flying Psychics and Special walls like bliss To dam good

No Really Who Doesnt Have A..
Reverb (Scizor) (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/6 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)

- Bullet Punch
- Pursuit
- Superpower
- U-turn


Scizor is The most OU Pokemon the game and i need his support on my team ... Stab U turn is monstrous

The Fiery Heart

Hot Shit (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Earth Power
- Fire Blast
- Dragon Pulse
- Explosion




Pretty standard scarfran.. Explosion instead of HP Ice only because i have swampert with IB, and exploding is great for Ddance and BulkUpers hes great support and a really good revenge killer for dragons ie Dragon Pulse And Fireblast is his main stab move so yea ;)

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Well There you have it team Blitz Break

Ok Any Comments Ratings and Critiques are appreciated and thank you for reading all of this i hoped you enjoyed reading it as much as i did making it... This is a Great OU Team to use on Shoddy

 

[Sir-half]

Quick rate:

Latias should have CM or a status over psychic, because water/dragon hits everything literally, except empoleaon

 

[Styx]

As i said Psychic is for countering machamps which is really needed... id prefer if you would read it and rate because what i wrote actully has something to do with the team.. lol

 

[mc2094]

Psychic is poor choice. It has bad coverage and CM is usually better in most situations. Latias has troube switching into Machamp and several carry payback to hit Rotom-A. Latias seems a bit random to me. Like you said, almost everyone has Scizor and he will have no trouble trap killing Latias, same goes for Tyranitar. I would only suggest CM Latias on a team built around it or else you won't be sweeping often. Why Roost over Recover? I'm pretty sure you will lose levitate for the turn. I see a bit of a CB Tyranitar weakness as your only resist to rock is your own Tyranitar who can KO with EQuake or Aqua Tail. Consider something in place of Lati. Yache berry on Mence is a big no no. It makes mence 2x weak to ice rather than 4x weak, so your still being OHKOed by some of the stronger Ice type attackers such as Starmie. Also a +2 in attack is a 2x boost while as a +1 with Life Orb is a 1.8 boost so there is very little reason to go with Yache. Dragonite is infact better with the yache berry since he has better bulk and is still outspeeding pretty much everything after a +2 in speed. As for Scizor's EVs, give him 248 in HP. Gives you a number divible by eight which allows leech seed, sr, and the like to deal more damage yada yada. Also, why Swarm? Just a few things I noticed.

 

[reyscarface]

Whats up!

Hey at a first glance, its easy to recognize how much much of SD Lucario weak you are. The only thing that may stand up is your Zapdos, but even then a little bit of prior damage + SR will destroy you.
Also no SR is asking to get swept by Salamence and Gyarados, so we gotta fix that too!

First of all: Zapdos. It looks like if Zapdos was your only real counter to take on things like Scizor, Lucario and company, so IMO the best thing we can do is change it to a Bulky variant. With this, Lucario is not going to have fun at all, neither will Scizor. Also an Agilitysweeper Zapdos is not that good, specially since it lacks the raw power something like DD Gyara has.

Zapdos @ Leftovers
252 HP / 84 Def / 176 Spe Timid
~ Thunderbolt
~ Roost
~ Heat Wave / Hidden Power Ice
~ Hidden Power Grass / Roar

This also gives you a pretty good check to Machamp, which seems you really like to have.
The speed makes you outrun every Lucario out there, which means you have a pretty surefire Counter here. You also outspeed Heatran, Jolly Gyarados and Adamant Mence, which is a good plus to have.


Now onto Salamence, first of all change the spread to 252 Speed, 234 Attack, 24 Sp Attack. This is the best set for a DD Mence with Fire Blast, since it has enough power for Fire Blast to be vert effective. Now the nature. Hasty is horrible since the -Def leaves you easy revenged by Scizor, Lucario and other friends, so lets change that nature to Naive. Also, Yache Mence lacks a lot of power to be "threatening" so your best bet is going with a Life Orb.

Roserade is a good lead, but your team doesnt really need the Toxic support, and actually is crying to have SR support. I think you should change your Roserade lead with a Swampert lead. As you said a good offense needs also good defense, and Swampert will totally support your team by taking care of things like Metagross or Tyranitars, which can really harm your team. Swampert also gives you Stealth Rock, a great Dragons counter thansk to Ice Beam and phazing ability thanks to Roar!

Heres the set:

Swampert @ Leftovers Relaxed
252 HP/ 252 Def/ 4 Sp Def (Obviously you can make variations for more power or bulkyness)
- Ice Beam
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Roar/Protect

Last slot is pretty important. I would go with Roar, specially since your team actually lacks a reliably way of beating Gyarados. Roar + SR means a Gyarados will be taking high damage, while Swampert will be alive. Protect is more if Metagross leads hurt you, mainly to protect Explosions, although it can be helpful for Lefties recovery in some key situations.

Tyranitar is a good Pokemon? Yes, but i think something can be better in that last slot! Something like... hmm... got it!
A Scarfed Heatran seems like it will help a lot your team. Since your team is pretty slow, scarftran will help you revenge kill random things, as well as giving you another Scizor and Lucario check, not mentioning it can make what you wanted your T-tar to do, like take Flying, Fire, Ice, and Psychic attacks!

The set is this one:

Heatran @ Choice Scarf
252 Sp Att/ 252 Speed/ 4 Att Naive
- Fire Blast/Flamethrower
- Earth Power
- Explosion/HP Grass
- Dragon Pulse

That should act as your revenge killer, while taking the attacks you wanted Tyranitar to take. Dragon Pulse revenges Kingdra, Salamence, and company, while Fire Blast is your BAM STAB move and Earth Power completes coverage. In the last slot you need to pick either get Swampert nailed in the switchin if it causes trouble or use the Oh-shit move to get rid of something when you need it.

Scizor has a few nitpicks: First of all it should have Technician, not Swarm, and a better Spread can be 248 HP, while the rest dumped in Speed to beat other Scizors. 248 is a SR number which will let you switch into it with less damage.

Latias' set is bothering me a lot. It looks like you just wanted a cute dragon in there for no reason. First of all, Latias NEEDS Timid, to at least tie with Gengar, while beating Infernape and Maxed Base 100s like Salamence and Jirachi. I think your best bet would be changing the moveset to either a Calm Mind sweeper or a Life Orb 3 attacks set.
The Calm Minder offers you a great sweeper to beat stall, and tremendously bulky too, it also has the advantage of Refresh, so Latias can become your Status Absorber too.
The Life Orb 3 attacks is more about power, which is a good set for beating things like Infernape, Gyarados, and company.
Both have their disadvantages too. The CMer will get walled hard by Scizor and Tyranitar, thanks to their ability to use Pursuit and OHKO, so if you will use the Calm Minder, be sure you have destroyed those threats to be able to use Latias at full potential. And the 3 Attacks one doesnt hit Stall as hard, which means you will have to do something else to beat stall. Personally i think the CMer will help you more, since stall is a bitch, but you can pick the LO 3 attacks if you really feel like you need raw power.

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/latias Here you can find both sets.

I think thats everything for now, so all i have left to do is wish you luck with your team!

 

[Oddish On Fire]

You might want to change your Scizor's ability to technician :)

However, this post mainly is a reminder to myself to rate this team fully tomorrow.

 

[Styx]

Yo thanks for all the replys and a few of the things where just random and i fixed in edits.. lol i left it for a hour and got alot more posts yay

Swarm On Scizor Is changed to technition..Whoops
switched to suggestions you made Rey because i figure theyre right and i should test them

Changes made so far..

Swampert Lead.
Dropped Latias For heatran... thinking about a Rotom--H/Starmie.. i need a rapid spinner

Or im thinking about makeing Swampert Rest StealthRock IB Equake and switch the heatran for celebi so i get grass support and someone with heal bell...something like this


Celebi 252 HP 150 Special d 106Special Attack

TWave
Heal Bell
LeafStorm
Recover/Wish/Leech Seed.. idk

anything else?

 

[Oddish On Fire]

I finally got the time to rate this team! Okay, Heatran wants HP Ice over Dragon Pulse. Why? It hits Dragonite, Gliscor, Salamence, and Flygon with 4x damage. The other two dragons, Latias and Kingdra, will rape your Heatran anyway. Dragon Pulse will do laughable damage to Latias, and Rain Dance Kingdra will fucking rape your Heatran regardless. So, do you want 240 damage on 3/5s of the OU Dragons, or 190 on two, who will rape you anyway? Here's the scenario with a defensive Latias; They switch in, CM, and then your heatran tries hitting them with Dragon Pulse and gets raped. Here's the scenario with Kingdra; they use rain dance as you switch in, and then they waterfall you and you get raped. That's why HP Ice is better. It provides a much larger range of super-effective.

Regarding Scizor, you need to change its' EV spread to 248 HP, 252 Atk, 8 SDef. This is the reason why; http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53818&page=2

Also, the reason I'm telling you to put the extra EVs in SDef instead of speed is because it's beneficial to be slower than other Scizors. As an example, you both switch in Scizor at the same time. His Scizor is faster and uses Superpower, resulting in an Atk and Def drop. Since his Defence is now lower, your own superpower will do more damage and likely OHK.

Past that, I don't see any glaring weaknesses. Sorry I couldn't be anymore help :)

Also, you might want to put your pictures above the movesets, as that has become a standard layout for RMTs. Since your pictures were below the movesets, I kept confusing movesets with the wrong pokemon. For instance, I thought your Swampert had Heat Wave and HP Grass, so I was like WTF?!?

EDIT:

Dragon Pulse Hits Dragonite, Sallamence, Flygon, Latias, and Kingdra. ALL For Super with more damage than a HP Ice 68

Salamence is a Flying Dragon type, so he has a 4x weakness to ice, and the same goes for Dragonite. Flygon is a Ground Dragon, so he also has a 4x weakness. Using math, you can figure out that HP Ice 68 does more damage to them.

The damage dealt to Flygon, Salamence, and Dragonite is 272 (68x4). It also provides much better coverage than Dragon Pulse, which only hits one type for super-effective. Flygon, Salamence, Dragonite, Latias, and Kingdra are all hit for 2x damage with Dragon Pulse, so Dragon Pulse will do 180 damage. 272 > 180, so how does dragon pulse deal more damage? Once again, all variants of Kingdra will own your Heatran anyway, and Latias will only be dealth 44 more damage, while providing it a chance to CM.

So, I cannot think of a single reason to use Dragon Pulse.

 

[Styx]

Alright thanks for rating and first off

Okay, Heatran wants HP Ice over Dragon Pulse. Why? It hits Dragonite, Gliscor, Salamence, and Flygon with 4x damage. The other two dragons, Latias and Kingdra, will rape your Heatran anyway. Dragon Pulse will do laughable damage to Latias, and Rain Dance Kingdra will fucking rape your Heatran regardless. So, do you want 240 damage on 3/5s of the OU Dragons, or 190 on two, who will rape you anyway?

Dragon Pulse Hits Dragonite, Sallamence, Flygon, Latias, and Kingdra. ALL For Super with more damage than a HP Ice 68

in the case You Listed i woudnt pull out heatran Agaisnt Kingdra Setting Up rain..id pull out swampert Roar Switch in Sally and ddance once myself to counter him when hes phased out.... SO Therefore considering no Kingdra weakness the only difference in HP Ice and Dragon Pulse is Ground Coverage and Air Coverage which i don't need the coverage for i have Zappy,Sallamence,Scizor,Swampert all hitting those guys harder and at more neccasary times than i want heatran to anyways.. I see why you would make that suggestion but i already tried HP Ice over explosion and it didnt do me much help because anytime i needed ice support i had Swampy.


OK Now as far as scizor goes his Evs Are Changed Thank You
for posting the link ;)

Thanks For all the ratings on this team im using it to its full potential so far and has gotten me a 1306 Rating on Smogon in 2 days....


Any More People Want to Rate??? I Like all the help i can get lawl

 

[Styx]

24 Hour Bump.. I Dont really want to see this thread die

 

[Dormin]

Hmmm a lot of good things have already been said (sorry for the late PM response) but I think I can help with a few things.

First off, the core of your offense is obviously Salamence and Tyranitar. Right now, you don't really do much to help Salamence secure a sweep. You need a way to effectively take out Scizor. Without having to resort to a Scarf Magnezone over Heatran, I think you could change your Tyraniboah into a Dragon Dance set with a Babiri berry. Tyranitar tends to lure Scizor very well, and this set takes advantage of that for the KO. You can also sacrifice it to weaken common counters for both Tyranitar and Salamence like Swampert.

As for Salamence, SS damage+LO recoil+weakness to Stealth Rock means that it won't be living that long. For an item, I would suggest either a Lum Berry or Leftovers. Lum Berry has the bonus of taking a T-wave from Celebi or allowing you to recover from confusion after an Outrage. Leftovers will simply increase your survivability.

Zapdos' EV spread is not really accomplishing what it is supposed to--outrun all variants of SDLucario. Simply use a spread of 252 HP, 80 Def, and 176 Spe to ensure you outspeed even Jolly Luke.

Other than that you could experiment with SubRoostToxic Zapdos to wear down threats that might hinder a sweep from either Ttar or Salamence. Starmie might not be a bad option over Heatran to spin away rocks for Mence as well. Just stuff to chew on.

Anyway I hope I helped!