[OU RMT] Team TSS

Honest

Overview:
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Introduction:
I decided to return to competitive Pokemon after a long time. I have not played any games from the 4th gen, so my knowledge of the metagame are limited to what I read in the forums.

Update:
After results from the last version of this team, as well as responses from the forum, I decided to have a slight revamp. For those who are interested, the previous team was Swampert/Blissey/Flygon/Rotom-h/Skarmory/Tyranitar. The team no longer has Sand Stream, so TSS would be Toxic Spikes Stealth Rock instead.
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Swampert (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP/216 Def/52 SAtk
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Stealth Rock
- Surf
Description:
Lead. Bulky enough to get SR up almost every game. Works well against common leads like Aerodactyl, Jirachi and Metagross. Its important to keep Swampert alive as I have a slight problem against MixMence otherwise. The moves provide good coverage and force switches, which helps.
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Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def/80 SAtk/176 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Flamethrower
- Protect
- Toxic
- Wish
Description:
Standard special wall. Toxic allows me to out-stall any special sweeper, and Wish over Softboiled as both Swampert and Tentacruel lacks a healing move. I've had the indignity of having it being flinched to death by a Togekiss though. Stupid hax.
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Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/220 Def/36 Spd
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Grass Knot
- Perish Song
- Recover
- U-turn
Description:
With the amount of threats, SkarBliss just can't wall everything anymore. Thats where this guy comes in, this set is just fantastic. Perish Song breaks up BP-chains and ensures that I do not lose to the last stat-upper Pokemon that can block Toxic.
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Rotom-h @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/120 Def/136 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Discharge
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Will-o-wisp
Description:
Spin-blocker. Beats common Rapid Spinners and can support the team with WoW. I ran the STalker set because I needed a status-absorber.
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Skarmory (M) @ Shed Shell
Ability: Keen Eye
EVs: 252 HP/64 Atk/176 Def/16 Spd
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Brave Bird
- Roost
- Spikes
- Whirlwind
Description:
Physical wall and Spiker. Other half of the dynamic duo. I used to run a Forretress here, but I have problems against bulky stat-uppers hiding behind a Substitute (DDKingdra comes to mind). Perish Song is not enough, so I needed a psuedo-hazing move somewhere.
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Tentacruel (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Liquid Ooze
EVs: 252 HP/120 Def/136 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Rapid Spin
- Sludge Bomb
- Surf
- Toxic Spikes
Description:
Rapid Spinner and Toxic Spiker. I wanted to fit Knock Off somewhere, but Sludge Bomb is too important against Celebi and Breloom.
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Main:
I went full-stall after taking locopoke's advice and this team actually works very well! I only lost a few times so far, but I still feel it can use some improvement.

Problems:
SubLatias - This is the 1 Pokemon that I have no answer for. Skarmory can't switch in, and a +6 Latias will beat Blissey eventually. My only hope is Celebi, and sometime it works. But sometimes it doesn't.

Ending:
Thanks for reading!
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have you had any problems with machamp? just rom taking a quick look it looks like it can be a big problem for flygon, t-tar, rotom, and blissey (if the set includes ice-punch, dynamic punch and payback, which i usually have on my machamp b/c of the increased use of latias.)
 
I haven't played against any Machamps yet, but it does look like it will post problems. I'm guessing I'll predict and switch in Rotom-h on Dynamic Punch and WoW it. But yea, not too convincing.
 
yea thats true but even if you do switch in rotom in on a dynamic punch you will still take damage from payback and if its a rest-talk set he can rest it off, or if its not and you keep rotom in, it will take another payback before you get your WoW off.
 
yea, if you do have problems with machamp being the only real problem to your team then replacing WoW with reflect would be a good idea, helping the whole team out at the same time
 
With a Choice-Banded Tyranitar locked into Crunch/Pursuit/Stone Edge , it is easy for a Lucario with this moveset to sweep your team :

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Lucario @ Life Orb
Ability : Inner Focus
EVs : 4 HP 252 Atk 252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Extremespeed
- Crunch

Even Skarmory has a chance of being OHKO-ed after Stealth Rock.
IF, i am correct , all your pokemon are being OHKO-ed by Lucario.


So, i'd recommend a Gliscor with this moveset to solve this problem.

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Gliscor @ Leftovers
Ability : Sand Veil
EVs : 252 HP 40 Def 216 Spd
Jolly Nature (+ Spd, -SAtk )
- Earthquake
- Roost
- Stealth Rock
- Taunt / Swords Dance

I would recommend you replace it with Swampert , however the decision is yours.
 
I don't understand what you're trying to do with this team. Based on Swampert, Rotom-H, Skarmory, and Blissey, it looks like a Stall team, but then Tyranitar and Flygon really don't fit in. To be honest, I kind of suggest that you go full-stall with this, and still maintain the idea of sandstorm, except with possibly Hippowdon. You could replace Swampert with Hippowdon as your new Stealth Rocker, and then replace Tyranitar with something more bulky. Also, on a team like this, I really suggest some form of toxic spikes, a Tentacruel could work, possibly a Drapion. I also like the idea of RestTalk Rotom-H. I believe the Rotom forms need to carry something that they can heal with.

That's all really, I'm not too sure what to do with Flygon but I'm sure the other people replying to this thread can/will give you some good suggestions.
 
I really dont like SludgeBomb on tentacruel, it has IIR equal power to surf, but HP [Electric] would be better. Also the gliscor set would be nice on this team to clean up.
 
Sludge Bomb does more against Breloom, Celebi and Machamp. Those Pokemons pose more problems to the team then stuff I would HP [Electric], such as Gyarados or Vaporeon. Gliscor would help against Lucario, but what would I switch for? I like Swampert alot as a lead.
 
Honest said:
Sludge Bomb does more against Breloom, Celebi and Machamp. Those Pokemons pose more problems to the team then stuff I would HP [Electric], such as Gyarados or Vaporeon. Gliscor against Lucario, but what would I switch for? I like Swampert alot as a lead.
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does same amount as surf to machamp*
 
Ah, ok. I always thought Poison was super-effective against Fighting. The reasoning for the other 2 still applies.
 
OK well stall has needed a revamp namely a very effective Lucario and Scizor counters your counters as they are will simply not achieve this due to the abundance of pursiut T-Tar. My favourite counter for Luke and Scizor is the defensive rest talk gyarados set.

Gyarados
impish
252hp/252def
@leftovers

waterfall
roar
sleep talk
rest

This replaces tentacruel.

We can now use forretress to fulfill skarmory and tentacruels role this is the set which will achieve this.

252hp/252spdef
sassy
@shed shell
Toxic Spikes
Spikes
Explosion
Gyro Ball

Incidently this also massively helps against Latias who can cause your team problems if it gets to many CMs and has refresh. Or if blissey gets tricked. As this can act as a pseudo special wall exploding on any potent threat. It can also counter gengar perfectly.

If toxic spikes and rapid spin are not entirely necessary then there is always the option of dropping forrey for Skarm i wonder what you think about this.
 
makes sense i suppose, but think about it like this. Ice beam also scores SE against those 2 and dragons, no STAB but its a nice move. However would seem redundant with swampert.
 
You appear to be incredibly weak to SD Infernape. SDNape can take down Tentacruel with a +2 Stone Edge or often even Close Combat. His Fire attack of choice wipes out Rotom, Skarm, and Celebi, and Close Combat deals with Swampert and Blissey. Nothing on your team outspeeds him or carries a priority move to take him down. NPApe also does a number on this team if Tentacruel is taken out.

My suggestion? Replace Tentacruel with Starmie. This will keep you with a spinner while taking care of Infernape. Starmie can also run Ice Beam, Signal Beam, or Shadow Ball for a powerful outspeeding hit on Latias, though Calm Mind hampers this damage. Toxic Spikes are overrated in the current metagame anyways. Almost all commonly used Pokemon have one of the following: Flying Typing, Steel Typing, Poison Typing, Natural Cure, Levitate, Immunity.
 
iKitsune said:
OK well stall has needed a revamp namely a very effective Lucario and Scizor counters your counters as they are will simply not achieve this due to the abundance of pursiut T-Tar. My favourite counter for Luke and Scizor is the defensive rest talk gyarados set.
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Rotom-h and Tentacruel actually counters Scizor quite well, which brings back to the Lucario problem. Hippowdon seems to be a good answer and counters both Lucario and Scizor, but that makes this team too similar to Obi's. I will try a Gliscor lead, is that fine?
Edit:
Gyarados over Tentacruel and Forretress over Skarmory does seem to be a good idea. If I was to use that Gyarados set, I would have 2 STalkers. Is that too much? Should I change Rotom-h's set?

wildfire393 said:
You appear to be incredibly weak to SD Infernape. SDNape can take down Tentacruel with a +2 Stone Edge or often even Close Combat.
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I have yet to see a SD Infernape, but I ran some calcs and a +2 Infernape will fail to OHKO my Tentacruel with Close Combat or Stone Edge. Worst case scenario, I will sacrifice 1 of my Pokemon to switch Tentacruel in safely. Infernape is very frail and with the many entry hazards it will have a hard time switching in. Same with NP Infernape.

Thanks for the help!
 
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