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Sun King said:
It also works with Lightningrod, and I'm not positive about Toxic, but I believe yes.
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According to Bulbapedia, even status moves are affected. Also, fun fact, Flying Press becomes Electric / Flying.

firehusky Zeb still clocks in at 116 speed, which is more than enough without a boost. It can also easily snag 2 LR boosts, especially because it matches up well against a lot of priority users and faster threats.
 
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Weavile + Moxie: Apparently, Weavile wasn't powerful enough. With its blistering fast speed, great dual stabs and the fact that it's not weak to priority, this makes it an extremely dangerous late game sweeper. Unfortunately, its typing leaves it weak to Stealth Rock, so you aren't going to get a lot of use out of a Focus Sash.

Cacturne + Sand Rush: Honestly, I don't really know what this does. I mean, it's got a great typing for sand teams, but offensively? Uh uh. Grass is horribly offensively, and I'm really not too sure on what Cacturne does to begin with. I'll look into Cacturne a bit more before I decide.

Pidgeot + Spikes: This one is really a favorite of mine, but I don't want it to win this slate simply because I want Pidgeot to get focus Blast or Nasty Plot. I mean I love Spikes but the problem is:
[8:22:31 PM] Recreant The Emo Babe: how does pidgeot get spikes tho
[8:22:31 PM] Recreant The Emo Babe: does it like
[8:22:35 PM] Recreant The Emo Babe: shoot out its hair
[8:22:40 PM] Recreant The Emo Babe: or something
Spikes really, really helps Pidgeot, since it allows you to wear down things like Heatran and T-Tar, but I'm much more of a fan of Electrify.

Zebstrika + Electrify: I'm honestly a huge fan of this one. Unlike Cacturne and Weavile, this one is actually very unique. This has a lot of creativity put into it. Electrify actually works differently, and I'm pretty sure you can just spam this move and get to a really high Special Attack stat. Its movepool isn't awful either. It actually has Overheat, just like Manectric, and it also has Flame Charge, meaning it can boost both its Speed and Special Attack. My vote will most likely go here, I absolutely love it.
 
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firehusky said:
Zebstrika + Electrify
Since I'm assuming that you can't get two boosts from motor drive/lightning rod, (that's how it works for flash fire), this isn't actually as good as it sounds.
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Lightning Rod continuously gives you a boost.

EDIT: Ninja'd while I was looking it up lol.
 
Recreant said:
Weavile + Moxie: Apparently, Weavile wasn't powerful enough. With its blistering fast speed, great dual stabs and the fact that it's not weak to priority, this makes it an extremely dangerous late game sweeper. Unfortunately, its typing leaves it weak to Stealth Rock, so you aren't going to get a lot of use out of a Focus Sash. This is my IRL BFF's entry so I'm really tempted to like it more, but idk.
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Umm not weak to priority? Lol, mach punch, bullet punch, pixilate quick attack etc... I'm pretty sure weavile doesn't resist any priority move.
Red vs Blue said:
Lightning Rod continuously gives you a boost.
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Yes I get that, about 4 people have already told me that. I already fixed that.
 
I'm really not liking Zebstrika myself tbh. On paper it seems really damn good, but this is literally the one thing it can do and it's way of boosting isn't as reliable as, say, Nasty Plot or Dragon Dance. It relies entirely on the opponent's move and they could outspeed you with a faster mon, use priority, they could switch out, etc. It's really one dimensional so it's not hard to figure out what it wants to do and priority is very common. Hell, I'd say it's set up fodder for a lot of mon like Dragon Dancers, Rock Polishers, Sableye could even prankster will-o it and proceed to CM/Recover up while Zebstrika just dies. You have to consider the opponent you're facing and that they won't be a massive moron. You don't let Slowbro set up CMs because you stayed in with your Charx trying to do something to it, you don't let Scizor SD in your face because you didn't switch your Chansey out, why is this any different?
 
Kurona said:
I'm really not liking Zebstrika myself tbh. On paper it seems really damn good, but this is literally the one thing it can do and it's way of boosting isn't as reliable as, say, Nasty Plot or Dragon Dance. It relies entirely on the opponent's move and they could outspeed you with a faster mon, use priority, they could switch out, etc. It's really one dimensional so it's not hard to figure out what it wants to do and priority is very common. Hell, I'd say it's set up fodder for a lot of mon like Dragon Dancers, Rock Polishers, Sableye could even prankster will-o it and proceed to CM/Recover up while Zebstrika just dies. You have to consider the opponent you're facing and that they won't be a massive moron. You don't let Slowbro set up CMs because you stayed in with your Charx trying to do something to it, you don't let Scizor SD in your face because you didn't switch your Chansey out, why is this any different?
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Not really. You presumably wouldn't be a moron and leave Zebstrika in on things that can outpace/have higher priority than it. It would likely excel late game when base 116 Speed is the fastest thing alive. At which point, literally no move can touch it.

Something I think is really fun is the fact that Sucker Punchers can't do anything against Zebby, so Bisharp gets wrek'd.
 
Mysteria said:
+1 252 SpA Life Orb Zebstrika Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 78-94 (22.1 - 26.7%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Mega Manectric Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 57-68 (16.1 - 19.3%) -- possible 8HKO after Leftovers recovery

+1 Zebstrika is much stronger lol, people need to realize lightning rod boosts spa

Moxie weavile is not broken because so many things can stop it lol (stealth rock metagross gyarados keldeo just off my head) but it's still probs going to be really good.
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Why would you Thunderbolt a Ferrothorn when you have Flamethrower or Overheat?
+1 252 SpA Life Orb Zebstrika Overheat vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 608-717 (172.7 - 203.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Mega Manectric Overheat vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 444-524 (126.1 - 148.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Both OHKO regardless.
Zebstrika would heavily rely on Electrify in order to actually outdamage Manectric, even with LO, making it set-up fodder.

And Weavile beats Metagross with Knock Off+Ice Shard after rocks, Gyarados is 2HKOed after rocks, and all non CM Keldeos are easy to wittle down, with it switching into Knock Offs and Icicle Crashes a lot. I was half joking when I said it was broken, but it is still a massive improvement.
 
Froggyboy said:
Why would you Thunderbolt a Ferrothorn when you have Flamethrower or Overheat?
+1 252 SpA Life Orb Zebstrika Overheat vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 608-717 (172.7 - 203.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Mega Manectric Overheat vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 444-524 (126.1 - 148.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Both OHKO regardless.
Zebstrika would heavily rely on Electrify in order to actually outdamage Manectric, even with LO, making it set-up fodder.

And Weavile beats Metagross with Knock Off+Ice Shard after rocks, Gyarados is 2HKOed after rocks, and all non CM Keldeos are easy to wittle down, with it switching into Knock Offs and Icicle Crashes a lot. I was half joking when I said it was broken, but it is still a massive improvement.
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Dude the calcs were supposed to show the damage difference LOL

Also read my last post on why electrify is actually not as unreliable
 
Mysteria said:
Dude the calcs were supposed to show the damage difference LOL

Also read my last post on why electrify is actually not as unreliable
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I would hope that Zebstrika could outdamage a mega at +1 with a Life Orb, pretty sure most Pokemon with a respectable attack stat can do that.
but still, SubElectrify sounds cool enough, but then it becomes 50/50s when the opposing Pokemon starts setting up as well, and with Substitute and Electrify, you lose out on a coverage move, so you could either be walled by Dragons, notably Mega Altaria and Lati@s, or by Ferrothorn, Zard-X and Heatran.

Not saying Zebstrika with Electrify is horrible, it actually sounds pretty good, but I would prefer using Mega Manectric, as it has the ability to pivot, has more immediate power, has better bulk with Intimidate, and it has the ability to run 4 moves.

I am going to stop this now before it gets out of hand, like last time.
 
Electrify Zebstrika gets walked all over by some calm mind sweepers, especially Unaware Clefable. Also some users of substitute can sit back and wait until it attacks, then OHKO it because of its piss poor defense. Still, if used wisely, it could wreck teams.
 
Froggyboy said:
I would hope that Zebstrika could outdamage a mega at +1 with a Life Orb, pretty sure most Pokemon with a respectable attack stat can do that.
but still, SubElectrify sounds cool enough, but then it becomes 50/50s when the opposing Pokemon starts setting up as well, and with Substitute and Electrify, you lose out on a coverage move, so you could either be walled by Dragons, notably Mega Altaria and Lati@s, or by Ferrothorn, Zard-X and Heatran.

Not saying Zebstrika with Electrify is horrible, it actually sounds pretty good, but I would prefer using Mega Manectric, as it has the ability to pivot, has more immediate power, has better bulk with Intimidate, and it has the ability to run 4 moves.

I am going to stop this now before it gets out of hand, like last time.
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Manectric also takes up a mega slot, so using Zebstrika frees up a little bit of team building.
 
Sun King said:
Well well well--Look who's calling the votes this time.

I'M BACK BITCHESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

We all apologize for the long wait. We had to make sure we had a good slate before calling the votes. Without further ado, I present your winner for this slate.

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+ Dark/Fairy Typing

The results of the voting were as follows…

Mega Absol + Dark/Fairy Typing: 34 (what the actual fuck)
Slowking + Kings Shield: 11
Dragalge + Agility: 6
Bronzong + Heal Bell: 3

Congratulations to Phione , Recreant , and Sacrificial Lambtias for winning this slate!

On to the next order of business…Ladies and Mentlegen, we have another slate…

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+ Moxie (Credit goes to Sacrificial Lambtias )
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+ Sand Rush (Credit goes to escarlata )
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+ Spikes
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+ Electrify

This slate has some exciting and fun things on it. You know what to do…

DISCUSS
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Terrorists win. gg Mysteria, we still love you.

Weavile + Moxie
Makes Weavile a better late-game cleaner but not impossible to stop.

Cacturne + Sand Rush
Odd, but workable. Being weak to Talonflame is a major pain, but having a Sucker Punch and Aqua Jet resistance helps it. NP and SD gives it some variety in sets (if you somehow setup).

Pidgeot + Spikes
Um... what? It could work thanks to U-turn, but lacking Taunt and switch-in opportunities hurts it.

Zebstrika + Electrify
This looks legit broken, since you won't be able to touch it with as it sets up bar Whirlwind or Roar.
 
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Idk, im debating between Cacturne and Zeb mainly cause of the potential to bring a non ou mon out with some good niches. The idea of having a secondary Sand Rush user that also has access to STAB Sucker Punch, Grass STAB for Rotom-W and sadly some bad type overlap would be a fun addition to work into teams. Sure outside of its offenses its still lackluster in its stats but I do think a cactus being able to act as a n assistant to a mole would be hilarious (almost like saying Exca slapping Rotom-W with a Cacturne club in essence).


ZEbstrika is taking an obscure poke, obscure move, and great speed into something that's sorta silly. Sure its hampered by the same issues of past electrics (mainly inability of coverage with Electric and possible debate of Hidden Powers and Overheat debate) yet is still able to be a pain for most attackers. Sure some ground types will stop it cold in its tracks and some assorted asses, but I still think the idea of seeing how this fella works would be a doozy to see. Its the idea of a nice complimental team member in Cacturne and a nice standalone mon in Zeb that will make this difficult for me here this slate.
 
Can someone please explain electrify to me (tbh thought it was an electric type pixilate), does it work on turn one say
turn 1
Zebstrika used electrify

bisharp used knock off

will bisharps knock off turn electric straight away?
 
Celticpride said:
According to Bulbapedia, even status moves are affected. Also, fun fact, Flying Press becomes Electric / Flying.

firehusky Zeb still clocks in at 116 speed, which is more than enough without a boost. It can also easily snag 2 LR boosts, especially because it matches up well against a lot of priority users and faster threats.
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Now we needa give Pikachu Electrify for dat Lightning Rod + Flying Press combo.

Seriously though Electrify Zebstrika sounds hilarious. Use a mixed Cell Battery set if real (barring in mind this is much worse than a special LO set, but you are doing it because you're a man).
 
Sun King said:
Yes
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So possibly a set like this

Zebstrika @ Life Orb
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Electrify
- Agility/flame charge
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Come in on something you threaten agility/flame charge nets you a speed increase (agility over flame charge if you fear flash fire mons switching in), electrify the incoming pokemon if there is a switch, proceed to gain sp.a increases and sweep with thunderbolt (hidden power ice for pokemon like landorous-T etc).

Nice creative idea giving electrify to zebstrika.
 
x MAD AXES x said:
So possibly a set like this

Zebstrika @ Life Orb
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Electrify
- Agility/flame charge
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Come in on something you threaten agility/flame charge nets you a speed increase (agility over flame charge if you fear flash fire mons switching in), electrify the incoming pokemon if there is a switch, proceed to gain sp.a increases and sweep with thunderbolt (hidden power ice for pokemon like landorous-T etc).

Nice creative idea giving electrify to zebstrika.
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You would probably want Substitute over Agility on that second slot to beat opposing Substitute users that are slower than you, but it would be a predicting game.
 
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