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OU: Triple Earthquake Immunity
- Thread starter Magic Umbreon
- Start date
nice to see you redoo this with the description but just fill in the exact ev's so we can help you there for example on donphan if you are going 252 Hp, 252 Atl, 6 Def then there are better things to take that position, if you are going to use it as rapid spinner possibly remove the band and put attack ev's into def but just list them as it's much more usefull than Hp/Atk
thanks for following my EV advice, it currently looks quite good and dont listen to the person who said modest, if you do that then the other now common Timid Scarfgars will outspeed u 100% you may even consider scarfed azelf as your lead as it can outrun all scarfgars and is a real threat, the only thing you would be losing is Hypnosis and the rest can be either matched or substituted in as a hidden power (fighting) still if you want to keep gar consider just maxing speed fully and MAYBE consider replacing Focus Blast as gengar is so frail that you dont want to be missing at a critical point
A lot of gengars are timid now to outspeed modest scarf-gars... So basically you need Timid to at least compete with the others.
if your worried about gengar's hypnosis and focus blast missing you would probably be best off switching it entirely for Azelf either scarf it or dont is up to you but I use scarf, I currently run this MS
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Azelf@Choice Scarf
Levitate
Naive (252Sp.Atk, 220 Speed, 36 Atk)
-U-Turn
-HP (Ground)
-Thunderbolt
-Grass Knot
of course if u cant get the HP u can go with Flamethrower or somthing else to help cover weaknesses
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Azelf@Choice Scarf
Levitate
Naive (252Sp.Atk, 220 Speed, 36 Atk)
-U-Turn
-HP (Ground)
-Thunderbolt
-Grass Knot
of course if u cant get the HP u can go with Flamethrower or somthing else to help cover weaknesses
Well, you have a good point, but I'd still go with Focus Blast over Explosion or Focus Punch. If Focus Blast misses, you're right that it's pretty much end game for Gengar. Hypnosis isn't necessarily that bad, however. Mostly depends on what you are trying to put to sleep.
If it does worry you, though (and if either move misses it can mean trouble) then you COULD change to Azelf. You would lose Hypnosis, although Breloom can usually activate the Sleep Clause for you. So basically whichever way you want to go, there.
lol hilarious! Never ever take spore off breloom it alone is what makes breloom useable. If you are going to remove a sleep move get rid of hypnosis in which case I suggest ditch gar altogether for azelf, there is no reason to keep gar without hypnosis unless it is a rapid spin blocker which you have absolutly no need for so Azelf is the better option
Just a few things I've noticed:
-Timid Scarfgar is an absolute must in today's metagame. As others have stated, Scarfzelf could prove to be a better option because you already have Breloom as a sleep inducer.
-Petaya definitely seems like your best bet with Jolteon because it means your Zelf/Gar gets a big boost to its Sp. Atk and has a chance to sweep with their boosted Speed, and with the Petaya, boosted Sp. Atk as well.
-Choice Band Donphan is a nice choice. I can't remember the calcs on it though but I do remember when I ran a Life Orb Resttalk Donphan and it took many people off guard. This, combined with Gyarados, could be enough of a reason to go with a Leichi Berry on Jolteon but Jolteon is till capable of sweeping and has a chance to use its own berry and both Gyarados and Donphan have boosted attacks.
The only real problem I think you might face would be against some of the major hitters of the game, but overall, the team looks pretty solid to me.
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-Timid Scarfgar is an absolute must in today's metagame. As others have stated, Scarfzelf could prove to be a better option because you already have Breloom as a sleep inducer.
-Petaya definitely seems like your best bet with Jolteon because it means your Zelf/Gar gets a big boost to its Sp. Atk and has a chance to sweep with their boosted Speed, and with the Petaya, boosted Sp. Atk as well.
-Choice Band Donphan is a nice choice. I can't remember the calcs on it though but I do remember when I ran a Life Orb Resttalk Donphan and it took many people off guard. This, combined with Gyarados, could be enough of a reason to go with a Leichi Berry on Jolteon but Jolteon is till capable of sweeping and has a chance to use its own berry and both Gyarados and Donphan have boosted attacks.
The only real problem I think you might face would be against some of the major hitters of the game, but overall, the team looks pretty solid to me.
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How do we take care of opposing Gengar here? I'm sure revenge killing isn't reliable considering Gengar will take out a Pokemon before you get chance to bring in your Gengar. If their Gengar has Choice Scarf, then it rules out your Jolteon's chances to get rid of it effectively.
I'm sure we can find Jolteon a replacement here. You do have some noticable defense here in Cressilia / Donphan. I'm thinking of a Rest Cressilia and Donphan with Celebi / Blissey using Heal Bell so the team's sturdeness increases drastically.
If we add Celebi over Jolteon - You have a Pokemon that will take care of Gyarados without risking the chance of the opposing Gyarados using Waterfall on your Gengar switch (with Gengar being your lead, they could find out the set pretty quickly, which will warn them that they can't sweep straight away, and they'll predict you bring in Gengar so he uses Waterfall and there goes your answer to Gyarados).
However, we could give EVs to Cressilia that looks like 252 Hp and 252 Defense with a Bold nature so Gyarados doesn't need 1 flinch on your Cressilia. This would give you room to add in Blissey over Jolteon.
Let me aide you with visual changes because there's so much we can do to give the team a better look in today's metagame.
Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/216 Def/40 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Thunder Wave / Stealth Rock
- Recover
- Heal Bell
- Grass Knot
Starmie @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 172 HP/104 Def/216 Spd/16 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam / Toxic / Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 16 HP/252 Def/240 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Seismic Toss / Stealth Rock
- Softboiled
- Wish
- Ice Beam
Replacing Donphan, Jolteon and Breloom.
Blissey, Gyarados, Gengar, Cressilia, Celebi and Starmie. There's one Pokemon that this team will have problems with and that's Tyranitar. Which leads me to advise this change to Cressilia:
Cresselia (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Psychic / Reflect
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Toxic / Hidden Power [Fighting]
You can now take down Tyranitar with everything but Blissey. Even if Tyranitar will take down a certain Pokemon, you have an answer to it.
Ask questions, and I will be able to answer them for you. ^_~
I'm sure we can find Jolteon a replacement here. You do have some noticable defense here in Cressilia / Donphan. I'm thinking of a Rest Cressilia and Donphan with Celebi / Blissey using Heal Bell so the team's sturdeness increases drastically.
If we add Celebi over Jolteon - You have a Pokemon that will take care of Gyarados without risking the chance of the opposing Gyarados using Waterfall on your Gengar switch (with Gengar being your lead, they could find out the set pretty quickly, which will warn them that they can't sweep straight away, and they'll predict you bring in Gengar so he uses Waterfall and there goes your answer to Gyarados).
However, we could give EVs to Cressilia that looks like 252 Hp and 252 Defense with a Bold nature so Gyarados doesn't need 1 flinch on your Cressilia. This would give you room to add in Blissey over Jolteon.
Let me aide you with visual changes because there's so much we can do to give the team a better look in today's metagame.
Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/216 Def/40 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Thunder Wave / Stealth Rock
- Recover
- Heal Bell
- Grass Knot
Starmie @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 172 HP/104 Def/216 Spd/16 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam / Toxic / Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 16 HP/252 Def/240 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Seismic Toss / Stealth Rock
- Softboiled
- Wish
- Ice Beam
Replacing Donphan, Jolteon and Breloom.
Blissey, Gyarados, Gengar, Cressilia, Celebi and Starmie. There's one Pokemon that this team will have problems with and that's Tyranitar. Which leads me to advise this change to Cressilia:
Cresselia (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Psychic / Reflect
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Toxic / Hidden Power [Fighting]
You can now take down Tyranitar with everything but Blissey. Even if Tyranitar will take down a certain Pokemon, you have an answer to it.
Ask questions, and I will be able to answer them for you. ^_~
Yeah. I just got tired of all the n00b teams over there, so...
Very good, but perhaps not so many changes? This is close to a new team, here. XD However, I see no problems with it, except for using HP Fighting over Toxic for T-Tar. Of course, using Cress as a T-Tar counter is pretty gutsy in the first place, but it could work no problem.
And yes, never ever take Spore off of Breloom. If anything, take it off of Gengar (which is definitely something I don't recommend, but at least Gengar can function with out it, unlike Breloom). Even though they do overlap somewhat, having two sleepers on your team isn't impossible, especially with how frail the pair are. However, Taylor's changes would take care of that pretty well, I'd say.