Platinum Illegal Movesets Workshop

[Wild Eep]

Miltank, Phanpy, Donphan, Houndour, Houndoom, Teddiursa, Ursaring, Sneasel, Weavile

Miltank:
~Dizzy Punch + Mega Punch,
~Dizzy Punch + Mega Kick,
~Dizzy Punch + Counter,
~Dizzy Punch + DynamicPunch,
~Hammer Arm + Mega Punch,
~Hammer Arm + Mega Kick,
~Hammer Arm + Counter,
~Hammer Arm + DynamicPunch,
~Punishment + Mega Punch,
~Punishment + Mega Kick,
~Punishment + Counter,
~Punishment + DynamicPunch,
~Scrappy + Mega Punch,
~Scrappy + Mega Kick,
~Scrappy + Counter,
~Scrappy + DynamicPunch;

Phanpy:
~Endeavor + Mimic,
~Ice Shard + Mimic;

Donphan:
~Endeavor + Mimic,
~Ice Shard + Mimic;

Houndour:
~Fire Spin + Charm,
~Pursuit + Charm,
~Rage + Charm,
~Reversal + Charm,
~Punishment + Body Slam,
~Punishment + Double-Edge,
~Punishment + Mimic,
~Punishment + Nightmare,
~Punishment + Charm,
~Thunder Fang + Body Slam,
~Thunder Fang + Double-Edge,
~Thunder Fang + Mimic,
~Thunder Fang + Nightmare,
~Thunder Fang + Charm;

Houndoom:
~Fire Spin + Charm,
~Pursuit + Charm,
~Rage + Charm,
~Reversal + Charm,
~Punishment + Body Slam,
~Punishment + Double-Edge,
~Punishment + Mimic,
~Punishment + Nightmare,
~Punishment + Charm;

Teddiursa:
~Crunch + Refresh,
~Take Down + Refresh,
~Yawn + Refresh,
~Close Combat + Mega Punch,
~Close Combat + Mega Kick,
~Close Combat + Body Slam,
~Close Combat + Seismic Toss,
~Close Combat + Mimic,
~Close Combat + Metronome,
~Close Combat + Defense Curl,
~Close Combat + DynamicPunch,
~Close Combat + Refresh,
~Cross Chop + Mega Punch,
~Cross Chop + Mega Kick,
~Cross Chop + Body Slam,
~Cross Chop + Seismic Toss,
~Cross Chop + Mimic,
~Cross Chop + Metronome,
~Cross Chop + Defense Curl,
~Cross Chop + DynamicPunch,
~Cross Chop + Refresh,
~Night Slash + Mega Punch,
~Night Slash + Mega Kick,
~Night Slash + Body Slam,
~Night Slash + Seismic Toss,
~Night Slash + Mimic,
~Night Slash + Metronome,
~Night Slash + Defense Curl,
~Night Slash + DynamicPunch,
~Night Slash + Refresh,
~Quick Feet + Mega Punch,
~Quick Feet + Mega Kick,
~Quick Feet + Body Slam,
~Quick Feet + Seismic Toss,
~Quick Feet + Mimic,
~Quick Feet + Metronome,
~Quick Feet + Defense Curl,
~Quick Feet + DynamicPunch,
~Quick Feet + Refresh;

Ursaring:
~Crunch + Refresh,
~Take Down + Refresh,
~Yawn + Refresh,
~Close Combat + Mega Punch,
~Close Combat + Mega Kick,
~Close Combat + Body Slam,
~Close Combat + Seismic Toss,
~Close Combat + Mimic,
~Close Combat + Metronome,
~Close Combat + Defense Curl,
~Close Combat + DynamicPunch,
~Close Combat + Refresh,
~Cross Chop + Mega Punch,
~Cross Chop + Mega Kick,
~Cross Chop + Body Slam,
~Cross Chop + Seismic Toss,
~Cross Chop + Mimic,
~Cross Chop + Metronome,
~Cross Chop + Defense Curl,
~Cross Chop + DynamicPunch,
~Cross Chop + Refresh,
~Night Slash + Mega Punch,
~Night Slash + Mega Kick,
~Night Slash + Body Slam,
~Night Slash + Seismic Toss,
~Night Slash + Mimic,
~Night Slash + Metronome,
~Night Slash + Defense Curl,
~Night Slash + DynamicPunch,
~Night Slash + Refresh;

Sneasel:
~Double Hit + Double-Edge,
~Double Hit + Mimic,
~Double Hit + Defense Curl,
~Double Hit + DynamicPunch,
~Double Hit + Nightmare,
~Punishment + Double-Edge,
~Punishment + Mimic,
~Punishment + Defense Curl,
~Punishment + DynamicPunch,
~Punishment + Nightmare,
~Pursuit + Double-Edge,
~Pursuit + Mimic,
~Pursuit + Defense Curl,
~Pursuit + DynamicPunch,
~Pursuit + Nightmare;

Weavile:
~Double Hit + Double-Edge,
~Double Hit + Mimic,
~Double Hit + Defense Curl,
~Double Hit + DynamicPunch,
~Double Hit + Nightmare,
~Punishment + Double-Edge,
~Punishment + Mimic,
~Punishment + Defense Curl,
~Punishment + DynamicPunch,
~Punishment + Nightmare,
~Pursuit + Double-Edge,
~Pursuit + Mimic,
~Pursuit + Defense Curl,
~Pursuit + DynamicPunch,
~Pursuit + Nightmare;

Lots of easy Field/Ground Egg Pokemon!

 

[Wild Eep]

Snubbull, Granbull, Girafarig

Snubbull:
~Close Combat + Mega Punch,
~Close Combat + Mega Kick,
~Close Combat + Body Slam,
~Close Combat + Double-Edge,
~Close Combat + Counter,
~Close Combat + Seismic Toss,
~Close Combat + Mimic,
~Close Combat + Defense Curl,
~Close Combat + DynamicPunch,
~Fire Fang + Mega Punch,
~Fire Fang + Mega Kick,
~Fire Fang + Body Slam,
~Fire Fang + Double-Edge,
~Fire Fang + Counter,
~Fire Fang + Seismic Toss,
~Fire Fang + Mimic,
~Fire Fang + Defense Curl,
~Fire Fang + DynamicPunch,
~Ice Fang + Mega Punch,
~Ice Fang + Mega Kick,
~Ice Fang + Body Slam,
~Ice Fang + Double-Edge,
~Ice Fang + Counter,
~Ice Fang + Seismic Toss,
~Ice Fang + Mimic,
~Ice Fang + Defense Curl,
~Ice Fang + DynamicPunch,
~Thunder Fang + Mega Punch,
~Thunder Fang + Mega Kick,
~Thunder Fang + Body Slam,
~Thunder Fang + Double-Edge,
~Thunder Fang + Counter,
~Thunder Fang + Seismic Toss,
~Thunder Fang + Mimic,
~Thunder Fang + Defense Curl,
~Thunder Fang + DynamicPunch;

Granbull:
~Close Combat + Mega Punch,
~Close Combat + Mega Kick,
~Close Combat + Body Slam,
~Close Combat + Double-Edge,
~Close Combat + Counter,
~Close Combat + Seismic Toss,
~Close Combat + Mimic,
~Close Combat + Defense Curl,
~Close Combat + DynamicPunch;

Girafarig:
~Double Kick + Body Slam,
~Double Kick + Double-Edge,
~Double Kick + Mimic,
~Double Kick + Nightmare,
~Mirror Coat + Body Slam,
~Mirror Coat + Double-Edge,
~Mirror Coat + Mimic,
~Mirror Coat + Nightmare;

Class will interrupt me from continuing from the back for now.

 

[SwinubToupée]

Cyndaquil, Quilava, Typhlosion

Cyndaquil:
~Blast Burn + Fury Swipes,
~Blast Burn + Reversal,
~Blast Burn + Thrash,
~Blast Burn + Foresight,
~Blast Burn + Covet,
~Blast Burn + Howl,
~Blast Burn + Crush Claw,
~Blast Burn + Double Kick,
~Blast Burn + Flare Blitz,
~Double Kick + Body Slam,
~Double Kick + Mimic,
~Flare Blitz + Body Slam,
~Flare Blitz + Mimic;

Quilava:
~Blast Burn + Fury Swipes,
~Blast Burn + Reversal,
~Blast Burn + Thrash,
~Blast Burn + Foresight,
~Blast Burn + Covet,
~Blast Burn + Howl,
~Blast Burn + Crush Claw,
~Blast Burn + Double Kick,
~Blast Burn + Flare Blitz,
~Double Kick + Body Slam,
~Double Kick + Mimic,
~Flare Blitz + Body Slam,
~Flare Blitz + Mimic;

Typhlosion:
~Double Kick + Body Slam,
~Double Kick + Mimic,
~Double Kick + Mega Punch,
~Double Kick + Mega Kick,
~Double Kick + Counter,
~Double Kick + Seismic Toss,
~Double Kick + Dynamicpunch,
~Flare Blitz + Body Slam,
~Flare Blitz + Mimic,
~Flare Blitz + Mega Punch,
~Flare Blitz + Mega Kick,
~Flare Blitz + Counter,
~Flare Blitz + Seismic Toss,
~Flare Blitz + Dynamicpunch;

The risk of two people posting the same family at the same time has never been greater!

I'll do Blissey's family next.

 

[SwinubToupée]

Happiny, Chansey, Blissey

Happiny:
~Present + Aromatherapy,
~Metronome + Aromatherapy,
~Heal Bell + Aromatherapy,
~Heal Bell + Gravity,
~Aromatherapy + Counter,
~Aromatherapy + Gravity;

Chansey:
~Wish + Present,
~Wish + Heal Bell,
~Wish + Aromatherapy,
~Wish + Gravity,
~Wish + Charm,
~Wish + Copycat,
~Wish + Sweet Kiss,
~Wish + Uproar,
~Sweet Scent + Present,
~Sweet Scent + Heal Bell,
~Sweet Scent + Aromatherapy,
~Sweet Scent + Gravity,
~Sweet Scent + Charm,
~Sweet Scent + Copycat,
~Sweet Scent + Sweet Kiss,
~Sweet Scent + Uproar,
~Gravity + Mega Punch,
~Gravity + Mega Kick,
~Gravity + Body Slam,
~Gravity + Seismic Toss,
~Gravity + Mimic,
~Gravity + Dynamicpunch,
~Charm + Mega Punch,
~Charm + Mega Kick,
~Charm + Body Slam,
~Charm + Seismic Toss,
~Charm + Mimic,
~Charm + Dynamicpunch,
~Copycat + Mega Punch,
~Copycat + Mega Kick,
~Copycat + Body Slam,
~Copycat + Seismic Toss,
~Copycat + Mimic,
~Copycat + Dynamicpunch,
~Uproar + Mega Punch,
~Uproar + Mega Kick,
~Uproar + Body Slam,
~Uproar + Seismic Toss,
~Uproar + Mimic,
~Uproar + Dynamicpunch,
~Present + Aromatherapy,
~Heal Bell + Aromatherapy,
~Heal Bell + Gravity,
~Aromatherapy + Gravity,
~Sweet Kiss + Mega Punch + Present,
~Sweet Kiss + Mega Punch + Heal Bell,
~Sweet Kiss + Mega Punch + Aromatherapy,
~Sweet Kiss + Mega Punch + Gravity,
~Sweet Kiss + Mega Kick + Present,
~Sweet Kiss + Mega Kick + Heal Bell,
~Sweet Kiss + Mega Kick + Aromatherapy,
~Sweet Kiss + Mega Kick + Gravity,
~Sweet Kiss + Body Slam + Present,
~Sweet Kiss + Body Slam + Heal Bell,
~Sweet Kiss + Body Slam + Aromatherapy,
~Sweet Kiss + Body Slam + Gravity,
~Sweet Kiss + Seismic Toss + Present,
~Sweet Kiss + Seismic Toss + Heal Bell,
~Sweet Kiss + Seismic Toss + Aromatherapy,
~Sweet Kiss + Seismic Toss + Gravity,
~Sweet Kiss + Mimic + Present,
~Sweet Kiss + Mimic + Heal Bell,
~Sweet Kiss + Mimic + Aromatherapy,
~Sweet Kiss + Mimic + Gravity,
~Sweet Kiss + Dynamicpunch + Present,
~Sweet Kiss + Dynamicpunch + Heal Bell,
~Sweet Kiss + Dynamicpunch + Aromatherapy,
~Sweet Kiss + Dynamicpunch + Gravity,
~Aromatherapy + Counter + Charm,
~Aromatherapy + Counter + Copycat,
~Aromatherapy + Counter + Sweet Kiss,
~Aromatherapy + Counter + Uproar,
~Aromatherapy + Metronome + Charm,
~Aromatherapy + Metronome + Copycat,
~Aromatherapy + Metronome + Sweet Kiss,
~Aromatherapy + Metronome + Uproar;

Blissey:
~Wish + Present,
~Wish + Heal Bell,
~Wish + Aromatherapy,
~Wish + Gravity,
~Wish + Charm,
~Wish + Copycat,
~Wish + Sweet Kiss,
~Wish + Uproar,
~Sweet Scent + Present,
~Sweet Scent + Heal Bell,
~Sweet Scent + Aromatherapy,
~Sweet Scent + Gravity,
~Sweet Scent + Charm,
~Sweet Scent + Copycat,
~Sweet Scent + Sweet Kiss,
~Sweet Scent + Uproar,
~Gravity + Mega Punch,
~Gravity + Mega Kick,
~Gravity + Body Slam,
~Gravity + Seismic Toss,
~Gravity + Mimic,
~Gravity + Dynamicpunch,
~Charm + Mega Punch,
~Charm + Mega Kick,
~Charm + Body Slam,
~Charm + Seismic Toss,
~Charm + Mimic,
~Charm + Dynamicpunch,
~Copycat + Mega Punch,
~Copycat + Mega Kick,
~Copycat + Body Slam,
~Copycat + Seismic Toss,
~Copycat + Mimic,
~Copycat + Dynamicpunch,
~Uproar + Mega Punch,
~Uproar + Mega Kick,
~Uproar + Body Slam,
~Uproar + Seismic Toss,
~Uproar + Mimic,
~Uproar + Dynamicpunch,
~Present + Aromatherapy,
~Heal Bell + Aromatherapy,
~Heal Bell + Gravity,
~Aromatherapy + Gravity,
~Sweet Kiss + Mega Punch + Present,
~Sweet Kiss + Mega Punch + Heal Bell,
~Sweet Kiss + Mega Punch + Aromatherapy,
~Sweet Kiss + Mega Punch + Gravity,
~Sweet Kiss + Mega Kick + Present,
~Sweet Kiss + Mega Kick + Heal Bell,
~Sweet Kiss + Mega Kick + Aromatherapy,
~Sweet Kiss + Mega Kick + Gravity,
~Sweet Kiss + Body Slam + Present,
~Sweet Kiss + Body Slam + Heal Bell,
~Sweet Kiss + Body Slam + Aromatherapy,
~Sweet Kiss + Body Slam + Gravity,
~Sweet Kiss + Seismic Toss + Present,
~Sweet Kiss + Seismic Toss + Heal Bell,
~Sweet Kiss + Seismic Toss + Aromatherapy,
~Sweet Kiss + Seismic Toss + Gravity,
~Sweet Kiss + Mimic + Present,
~Sweet Kiss + Mimic + Heal Bell,
~Sweet Kiss + Mimic + Aromatherapy,
~Sweet Kiss + Mimic + Gravity,
~Sweet Kiss + Dynamicpunch + Present,
~Sweet Kiss + Dynamicpunch + Heal Bell,
~Sweet Kiss + Dynamicpunch + Aromatherapy,
~Sweet Kiss + Dynamicpunch + Gravity,
~Aromatherapy + Counter + Charm,
~Aromatherapy + Counter + Copycat,
~Aromatherapy + Counter + Sweet Kiss,
~Aromatherapy + Counter + Uproar,
~Aromatherapy + Metronome + Charm,
~Aromatherapy + Metronome + Copycat,
~Aromatherapy + Metronome + Sweet Kiss,
~Aromatherapy + Metronome + Uproar;

Sweet Kiss is available both as Chansey's special XD move and as Happiny levels up. As a result it is legal with an egg move or a 3rd gen tutor move but not with both.

I'll continue with Hoothoot in a few minutes.

 

[pineapplesrule]

Lol what ISN'T illegal on lickilicky?
xD

 

[RBG]

Doduo:
~Tri Attack + Brave Bird,
~Tri Attack + Mirror Move,
~Body Slam + Mirror Move,
~Body Slam + Brave Bird,
~Double Edge + Mirror Move,
~Double Edge + Brave Bird,
~Mimic + Brave Bird,
~Mimic + Mirror Move,
~Supersonic + Flail,
~Supersonic + Mirror Move,
~Haze + Flail,
~Haze + Mirror Move,
~Faint Attack + Flail,
~Sky Attack + Brave Bird,
~Sky Attack + Mirror Move,
~Flail + Brave Bird,
~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Tri Attack,
~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Body Slam,
~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Double-edge,
~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Mimic,
~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Faint Attack,
~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Sky Attack;

Dodrio:
~Body Slam + Mirror Move,
~Body Slam + Brave Bird,
~Double Edge + Mirror Move,
~Double Edge + Brave Bird,
~Mimic + Brave Bird,
~Mimic + Mirror Move,
~Supersonic + Flail,
~Supersonic + Mirror Move,
~Haze + Flail,
~Haze + Mirror Move,
~Faint Attack + Flail,
~Flail + Brave Bird,
~Double Hit + Baton Pass,
~Sky Attack + Brave Bird,
~Sky Attack + Mirror Move,
~Baton Pass + Quick Attack,
~Baton Pass + Supersonic,
~Baton Pass + Haze,
~Baton Pass + Faint Attack,
~Baton Pass + Flail,
~Baton Pass + Mirror Move,
~Baton Pass + Brave Bird,
~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Tri Attack,
~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Body Slam,
~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Double-edge,
~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Mimic,
~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Faint Attack,
~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Sky Attack;

When we finish with all the pokemon, I have a list of various items that will need to be checked before I send this list off to doug.

 

[Wild Eep]

Murkrow, Honchkrow

Murkrow:
~Confuse Ray + Mirror Move,
~Confuse Ray + Perish Song,
~Drill Peck + Featherdance,
~Drill Peck + Perish Song,
~Drill Peck + Screech,
~Featherdance + Screech,
~Mirror Move + Screech,
~Perish Song + Whirlwind,
~Perish Song + Screech,
~Screech + Double-Edge,
~Screech + Mimic,
~Screech + Nightmare,
~Screech + Sky Attack,
~Confuse Ray + Drill Peck + Whirlwind,
~Confuse Ray + Featherdance + Whirlwind,
~Drill Peck + Whirlwind + Double-Edge,
~Drill Peck + Whirlwind + Mimic,
~Drill Peck + Whirlwind + Nightmare,
~Drill Peck + Whirlwind + Sky Attack,
~Featherdance + Perish Song + Double-Edge,
~Featherdance + Perish Song + Mimic,
~Featherdance + Perish Song + Nightmare,
~Super Luck + Double-Edge,
~Super Luck + Mimic,
~Super Luck + Nightmare;

Honchkrow:
~Confuse Ray + Mirror Move,
~Confuse Ray + Perish Song,
~Drill Peck + Featherdance,
~Drill Peck + Perish Song,
~Drill Peck + Screech,
~Featherdance + Screech,
~Mirror Move + Screech,
~Perish Song + Whirlwind,
~Perish Song + Screech,
~Screech + Double-Edge,
~Screech + Mimic,
~Screech + Nightmare,
~Screech + Sky Attack,
~Confuse Ray + Drill Peck + Whirlwind,
~Confuse Ray + Featherdance + Whirlwind,
~Drill Peck + Whirlwind + Double-Edge,
~Drill Peck + Whirlwind + Mimic,
~Drill Peck + Whirlwind + Nightmare,
~Drill Peck + Whirlwind + Sky Attack,
~Featherdance + Perish Song + Double-Edge,
~Featherdance + Perish Song + Mimic,
~Featherdance + Perish Song + Nightmare;

I'm in the middle of working on the Hoppip family, but it won't be up for another few hours.

 

[SwinubToupée]

Hoothoot, Noctowl

Hoothoot:
~Agility + Double-edge,
~Agility + Mimic,
~Agility + Snore,
~Agility + Nightmare,
~Night Shade + Double-edge,
~Night Shade + Mimic,
~Night Shade + Snore,
~Night Shade + Nightmare,
~Supersonic + Night Shade,
~Agility + Night Shade,
~Mirror Move + Supersonic + Faint Attack,
~Mirror Move + Supersonic + Whirlwind,
~Supersonic + Faint Attack + Featherdance,
~Supersonic + Wing Attack + Featherdance,
~Supersonic + Whirlwind + Featherdance,
~Supersonic + Featherdance + Double-edge,
~Supersonic + Featherdance + Mimic,
~Supersonic + Featherdance + Snore,
~Supersonic + Featherdance + Nightmare,
~Mirror Move + Supersonic + Double-edge,
~Mirror Move + Supersonic + Mimic,
~Mirror Move + Supersonic + Snore,
~Mirror Move + Supersonic + Nightmare,
~Supersonic + Faint Attack + Wing Attack + Agility,
~Supersonic + Faint Attack + Whirlwind + Agility;

Noctowl:
~Agility + Double-edge,
~Agility + Mimic,
~Agility + Snore,
~Agility + Nightmare,
~Night Shade + Double-edge,
~Night Shade + Mimic,
~Night Shade + Snore,
~Night Shade + Nightmare,
~Supersonic + Night Shade,
~Agility + Night Shade,
~Mirror Move + Supersonic + Faint Attack,
~Mirror Move + Supersonic + Whirlwind,
~Supersonic + Faint Attack + Featherdance,
~Supersonic + Wing Attack + Featherdance,
~Supersonic + Whirlwind + Featherdance,
~Supersonic + Featherdance + Double-edge,
~Supersonic + Featherdance + Mimic,
~Supersonic + Featherdance + Snore,
~Supersonic + Featherdance + Nightmare,
~Mirror Move + Supersonic + Double-edge,
~Mirror Move + Supersonic + Mimic,
~Mirror Move + Supersonic + Snore,
~Mirror Move + Supersonic + Nightmare,
~Supersonic + Faint Attack + Wing Attack + Agility,
~Supersonic + Faint Attack + Whirlwind + Agility;

 

[SwinubToupée]

Sentret, Furret

Sentret:
~Charm + Body Slam,
~Charm + Mimic,
~Charm + Dynamicpunch,
~Covet + Body Slam,
~Covet + Mimic,
~Covet + Dynamicpunch;

Furret:
~Charm + Body Slam,
~Charm + Mimic,
~Charm + Dynamicpunch,
~Covet + Body Slam,
~Covet + Mimic,
~Covet + Dynamicpunch;

Xatu seems to be the only unclaimed family remaining so I'll do that next.

 

[SwinubToupée]

Natu, Xatu

This thread's become a useful resource in its own right.

Natu:
~Baton Pass + Haze,
~Baton Pass + Drill Peck,
~Baton Pass + Quick Attack,
~Baton Pass + Faint Attack,
~Baton Pass + Featherdance,
~Baton Pass + Refresh,
~Drill Peck + Featherdance,
~Drill Peck + Refresh,
~Faint Attack + Refresh,
~Haze + Quick Attack + Featherdance,
~Haze + Quick Attack + Refresh,
~Haze + Featherdance + Refresh + Double-edge,
~Haze + Featherdance + Refresh + Mimic,
~Haze + Featherdance + Refresh + Nightmare,
~Haze + Featherdance + Refresh + Sky Attack;

Xatu:
~Baton Pass + Haze,
~Baton Pass + Drill Peck,
~Baton Pass + Quick Attack,
~Baton Pass + Faint Attack,
~Baton Pass + Featherdance,
~Baton Pass + Refresh,
~Drill Peck + Featherdance,
~Drill Peck + Refresh,
~Faint Attack + Refresh,
~Haze + Quick Attack + Featherdance,
~Haze + Quick Attack + Refresh,
~Haze + Featherdance + Refresh + Double-edge,
~Haze + Featherdance + Refresh + Mimic,
~Haze + Featherdance + Refresh + Nightmare,
~Haze + Featherdance + Refresh + Sky Attack;

Xatu almost gets away without any illegal tutor sets thanks to its new egg moves being Platinum tutor moves as well. Unfortunately the Haze/Featherdance/Refresh combination requires a 4th gen Altaria!

 

[Wild Eep]

Hoppip, Skiploom, Jumpluff

Here's the grand finale!

Hoppip:
~Amnesia + Confusion,
~Amnesia + Aromatherapy,
~Confusion + Encore,
~Confusion + Aromatherapy,
~Encore + Aromatherapy,
~Aromatherapy + Mimic,
~Aromatherapy + Defense Curl,
~Worry Seed + Mimic,
~Worry Seed + Defense Curl,
~Amnesia + Psych Up + Worry Seed,
~Encore + Psych Up + Worry Seed,
~Encore + Reflect + Worry Seed,
~Psych Up + Reflect + Aromatherapy,
~Psych Up + Aromatherapy + Worry Seed,
~Leaf Guard + Mimic,
~Leaf Guard + Defense Curl;

Skiploom:
~Amnesia + Confusion,
~Amnesia + Aromatherapy,
~Confusion + Encore,
~Confusion + Aromatherapy,
~Encore + Aromatherapy,
~Aromatherapy + Mimic,
~Aromatherapy + Defense Curl,
~Worry Seed + Mimic,
~Worry Seed + Defense Curl,
~Amnesia + Psych Up + Worry Seed,
~Encore + Psych Up + Worry Seed,
~Encore + Reflect + Worry Seed,
~Psych Up + Reflect + Aromatherapy,
~Psych Up + Aromatherapy + Worry Seed;

Jumpluff:
~Amnesia + Confusion,
~Amnesia + Aromatherapy,
~Confusion + Encore,
~Confusion + Aromatherapy,
~Encore + Aromatherapy,
~Aromatherapy + Mimic,
~Aromatherapy + Defense Curl,
~Worry Seed + Mimic,
~Worry Seed + Defense Curl,
~Amnesia + Psych Up + Worry Seed,
~Encore + Psych Up + Worry Seed,
~Encore + Reflect + Worry Seed,
~Psych Up + Reflect + Aromatherapy,
~Psych Up + Aromatherapy + Worry Seed;

Researching all these combinations was a lot of fun! What's the next step for these combos?

 

[RBG]

Ok, here is a list of what I would like checked:

1) XD Special Moves <---Done!
2) Sky Attack Tutors <---Done!
3) Nightmare Tutors
4) Self Destruct Tutors
5) Event Move List 1
6) Event Move List 2 (Not at the same time as number 5)
7) Pokemon With New Abilities <---Done!
8) Pokemon with NO Illegal Combinations
9) Format of all Illegal Move Combinations (Last)
10) Shoddy's previous list of illegal movesets.

Can anyone else think of any major thing I might have missed?

Post which you are doing, then any corrections with links to the pokemon. When you are done, post DONE in size 6.

 

[SwinubToupée]

Doduo:
~Faint Attack + Mirror Move,

Murkrow can provide that combination.

I'll start with check #7 in a bit.

 

[RBG]

XD Special Moves

DONE!
Forgot Refresh Raticate:

Raticate:
~Me First + Body Slam,
~Me First + Mimic,
~Me First + Defense Curl;

Forgot Refresh Hitmonlee:

Hitmonlee:
~Bullet Punch + Mega Punch,
~Bullet Punch + Seismic Toss,
~Bullet Punch + Double Edge,
~Bullet Punch + Body Slam,
~Bullet Punch + Mimic,
~Bullet Punch + Metronome,
~Bullet Punch + DynamicPunch,
~Reckless + Mega Punch,
~Reckless + Double Edge,
~Reckless + DynamicPunch,
~Reckless + Metronome;

Everyone else got it right.

Done checking.
Time to fix.

Edit: Fixed Both. Number 1 is done
DONE!

 

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New Ability Check

Done!

By which I mean to say that all the posted families incorporate their new abilities into illegal sets. Where a Pokémon's new ability is not mentioned (e.g. Hitmontop, Granbull), the poster seems to be correct in asserting that there are no conflicts.

Remaining Grey Area: Smeargle.

We have Smeargle listed as a Pokémon with no illegal movesets, which makes sense at first. However, it has sometimes been discussed that there may be moves like Memento that are possible to Sketch in third gen that are not sketchable in fourth gen. If that's true (I haven't tried it myself) then any recently unsketchable move would be illegal with Technician.

I'll try to sketch Memento myself in Diamond and see if there's really a problem or not.

 

[RBG]

First problem area: Smeargle.

We have Smeargle listed as a Pokémon with no illegal movesets, which makes sense at first. However, it has sometimes been discussed that there may be moves like Memento that are possible to Sketch in third gen that are not sketchable in fourth gen. If that's true (I haven't tried it myself) then any recently unsketchable move would be illegal with Technician. It's something to think about while I go through the rest of the families.

To my knowledge, the only unsketchable move is Chatter. Every other move can be sketched by doing a double ingame battle, and having a fast smeargle sketch the pokemon the replaced the memento one.

 

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Sky Attack Check

I took Skuntank, Smeargle, and Slakoth to Route 209 to have a double battle with the couple there.

Round 1: Skuntank uses Memento and faints, Smeargle wastes a turn.
Round 2: Slakoth replaces Skuntank, Smeargle sketches Slakoth, Sketch fails.

I also tried sketching Skuntank immediately after it faints. That also fails.

Does this approach to sketching Memento work in the GBA games? I can't test them myself. If it does there may be a legality issue for Smeargle after all.

EDIT: Putting Smeargle away to continue with the task at hand. I'll do check #2 now.

Sky Attack XD tutor:

Done!

Dodrio's family needs these additional lines:

Doduo:
~Sky Attack + Brave Bird,
~Sky Attack + Mirror Move,

Dodrio:
~Sky Attack + Brave Bird,
~Sky Attack + Mirror Move,

All other posted families either include Sky Attack in illegal sets or are correct in not mentioning it (i.e. it's also an egg or level up move.)

EDIT: Dodrio may need a few more corrections. Supersonic and Mirror Move should be a legal combo in fourth gen through Chatot. There's no Chatot in third gen so the moves would remain illegal in combination with third gen tutor moves including Sky Attack. The extra sets would be:

~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Tri Attack,
~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Body Slam,
~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Double-edge,
~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Mimic,
~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Sky Attack,

You may want to recheck Dodrio altogether, though. It's probably necessary to use the "Double-edge" spelling rather than "Double Edge", too.

It's possible that other species I've checked correctly include Sky Attack but don't include combinations that used to be illegal and remain illegal combined with it. Those Pokémon have more problems than just Sky Attack, however, and one assumes that when they're corrected Sky Attack will be part of the corrections since it's already listed with the other tutor moves.

 

[RBG]

I took Skuntank, Smeargle, and Slakoth to Route 209 to have a double battle with the couple there.

Round 1: Skuntank uses Memento and faints, Smeargle wastes a turn.
Round 2: Slakoth replaces Skuntank, Smeargle sketches Slakoth, Sketch fails.

I also tried sketching Skuntank immediately after it faints. That also fails.

Does this approach to sketching Memento work in the GBA games? I can't test them myself. If it does there may be a legality issue for Smeargle after all.

EDIT: Putting Smeargle away to continue with the task at hand. I'll do check #2 now.

Sky Attack XD tutor:

Done!

Dodrio's family needs these additional lines:

Doduo:
~Sky Attack + Brave Bird,
~Sky Attack + Mirror Move,

Dodrio:
~Sky Attack + Brave Bird,
~Sky Attack + Mirror Move,

All other posted families either include Sky Attack in illegal sets or are correct in not mentioning it (i.e. it's also an egg or level up move.)

EDIT: Dodrio may need a few more corrections. Supersonic and Mirror Move should be a legal combo in fourth gen through Chatot. There's no Chatot in third gen so the moves would remain illegal in combination with third gen tutor moves including Sky Attack. The extra sets would be:

~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Tri Attack,
~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Body Slam,
~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Double-edge,
~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Mimic,
~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Sky Attack,

You may want to recheck Dodrio altogether, though. It's probably necessary to use the "Double-edge" spelling rather than "Double Edge", too.

It's possible that other species I've checked correctly include Sky Attack but don't include combinations that used to be illegal and remain illegal combined with it. Those Pokémon have more problems than just Sky Attack, however, and one assumes that when they're corrected Sky Attack will be part of the corrections since it's already listed with the other tutor moves.

Hmmm, smeargle is surprising.

And I'll go through and check all of mine for illegal 3 rd gen move combos just to make sure. (Oh, and ~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Tri Attack, should be legal for dodrio bu not doduo)

 

[Wild Eep]

To be thorough, I figured I'd try the 3rd gen way of sketching Memento in the 4th gen to see what would happen. The log was something like this:

(Facing the Pachirisu twins, who were irrelevant)

Go! Misdreavus!
Go! Parasect!

Misdreavus used Shadow Sneak!
Pachirisu took lol% damage!
Parasect used Spore!
Misdreavus fell asleep!

Parasect, come back! Go Smeargle!
Misdreavus is enjoying its beauty nap! (Selected Memento)

Smeargle used Blaze Kick!
Its attack missed!
Misdreavus is having a really weird dream! (Selected Memento)
(just to make sure Smeargle saw Memento being selected)

Smeargle used Sketch!
Smeargle Sketched... Shadow Sneak!?
Misdreavus woke up!
Misdreavus used Memento!
Goodbye, cruel world!

So Sketching Memento in the 4th generation looks like a really tall order. But what I find really interesting (not sure how entirely relevant it is though) about this is that Smeargle never "saw" Shadow Sneak being used or selected but was still able to Sketch it anyway.

This implication could affect more than Smeargle's unobtainable combinations and change its movepool (maybe no Healing Wish or Lunar Dance?). Selfdestruct/Explosion + Technician should still be fine thanks to the possibility of the Exploder Skill Swapping Damp onto itself before switching the formerly Damp Pokemon out for Smeargle.

The other Sketchability concern beyond suicide moves are moves that call other moves. Can a Smeargle be a Technician and know Metronome at the same time?

 

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Nightmare Check

Smeargle can sketch Metronome in fourth gen without difficulty. You're right that having a Damp Pokémon does allow the exploding moves to be sketched. You might think to try Clear Body as "Memento's Damp" but it doesn't cause Memento to fizzle because its user faints before it attempts to apply the stat drop to its target. It'll be interesting to see whether we can figure out a way to sketch suicide moves in fourth gen.

Sorry for not distinguishing between Doduo and Dodrio in my earlier post. I should offer corrections for each member of a family rather than blanket corrections which apply to members of a family to different extents.

Having a fresh look at it right now I think that the family also needs:

Doduo:
~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Faint Attack,

Dodrio:
~Supersonic + Mirror Move + Faint Attack,

Hoothoot has those same three egg moves and doesn't seem to have a legal way to obtain all three simultaneously.

Back on task, I'll continue with Check #3.

EDIT:
Nightmare XD Tutor

Done!

Clefairy's family is the first to be missing Nightmare.

Cleffa:
~Magic Guard + Nightmare,
~Covet + Nightmare,
~Fake Tears + Nightmare,

Clefairy:
~Covet + Nightmare,
~Fake Tears + Nightmare,

Clefable:
~Covet + Nightmare,
~Fake Tears + Nightmare,

There's also an extra tilde at the start of Clefable's section that will eventually need to be cleaned up.

Meowth also needs to incorporate Nightmare:

Meowth:
~Flail + Nightmare,
~Odor Sleuth + Nightmare,
~Punishment + Nightmare,
~Technician + Nightmare,

Persian:
~Flail + Nightmare,
~Odor Sleuth + Nightmare,
~Punishment + Nightmare,

Meowth and Persian also have some instances of "Double Edge" that will eventually have to be changed to "Double-edge".

Dunsparce:

Dunsparce:
~Magic Coat + Nightmare,
~Trump Card + Nightmare,

Shedinja:

Shedinja:
~Bug Bite + Nightmare,
~Bug Buzz + Nightmare,
~Night Slash + Nightmare,
~Faint Attack + Silver Wind + Nightmare,

Roselia:

Roselia:
~Leaf Storm + Nightmare,
~Pin Missile + Nightmare,
~Razor Leaf + Nightmare,
~Sleep Powder + Nightmare,
~Water Sport + Nightmare,
~Worry Seed + Nightmare,
~Uproar + Nightmare,
~Extrasensory + Nightmare,

Roserade:
~Leaf Storm + Nightmare,
~Pin Missile + Nightmare,
~Razor Leaf + Nightmare,
~Sleep Powder + Nightmare,
~Water Sport + Nightmare,
~Worry Seed + Nightmare,
~Uproar + Nightmare,
~Extrasensory + Nightmare,

Same post as Dunsparce, I should have noticed!

 

[RBG]

Send a PM to Misaki to make sure it gets fixed. Also, don't worry about how double edge is spelled, Ill fix it once its in the final document

And I'm working on checking all of mines and fixxing that mistake

 

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Starmie

Starmie:
~Refresh + Power Gem,
~Nightmare + Power Gem;

Checking for Nightmare compliance revealed that Starmie has illegal sets after all. Power Gem did not exist in the third generation and only Staryu can learn it today. It is therefore illegal with Starmie's third gen exclusives.

 

[Wild Eep]

Starmie:
~Refresh + Power Gem,
~Nightmare + Power Gem;

Checking for Nightmare compliance revealed that Starmie has illegal sets after all. Power Gem did not exist in the third generation and only Staryu can learn it today. It is therefore illegal with Starmie's third gen exclusives.

Good catch re: Nightmare + Power Gem! I'll edit that into my old post. I already found the Refresh combos.

In other news, Healing Wish is Sketchable. Healing Wish will fail if you don't have any remaining Pokemon to replace it, so a party consisting of only Smaergle and a Healing Wish user can get Healing Wish onto Smeargle. I don't currently have the resources to test Lunar Dance, but I'd guess it'd work the same way.

For the record, how is Metronome Sketched in the 4th generation? Won't Sketch just get the move Metronome called?

 

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For the record, how is Metronome Sketched in the 4th generation? Won't Sketch just get the move Metronome called?

It sketches Metronome rather than the move that Metronome uses. If I remember correctly, when I tested it Metronome used Sweet Kiss and Smeargle learned Metronome just the same.

 

[Wild Eep]

It sketches Metronome rather than the move that Metronome uses. If I remember correctly, when I tested it Metronome used Sweet Kiss and Smeargle learned Metronome just the same.

Just tested this again and I can confirm. There goes my plan of distributing Smeargles that know random moves from Sketching Metronome users.

Thanks for letting me know. Should all the other moves that call other moves work the same way?