Please RMT: Pokemon X&Y and BW2 - Super Good UBERS Team!!

Fireflame

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Hello. I'm Fireflame479 and I would like you to rate this team. I have been playing for about a week now, and I made a team for every tier. However, I thought my Ubers team was amazing. I have been playing Ubers somewhat extensively compared to the rest of the time that I have played. I have been doing really well with this team. I feel I have gotten enough practice with it to make an RMT. Please leave any kind of suggestion you like, and also tell me what I'm doing right/wrong and what I can do better. I will be grateful for any kind of advice and I will take it into consideration. Thank you :toast:.

Team Preview:
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Team Building Process:
So here's how I made my team:

First I wanted a physical attacker and a special attacker that I wanted to use. I chose Arceus-Normal and Mewtwo Y:
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Next, I wanted a very strong lead. I had a few options, but I chose Darkrai because he can put something to sleep easily and he is a good special sweeper:
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Seeing that I have 2 special sweepers, I decided that I needed another physical attacker. I chose Rayquaza because he has a massive movepool and personally I don't like any non-legendary Uber Mega Evolutions:
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Now I wanted a physical wall and a special wall. I chose Groudon as my physical wall because he has super high Attack and Defense and he has access to Stealth Rocks. I chose Lugia as my special wall because I thought he was the best special wall in Ubers:
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In Depth:
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Darkrai: Leftovers
Ability: Bad Dreams
Timid Nature (+Spe, -Atk)
EVs: 252 SpA, 252 Spe, 4 HP
-Dark Void
-Nasty Plot
-Dark Pulse
-Ice Beam

I use Darkrai as my suicide (kind of) lead and one of my special sweepers. My goal for Darkrai is to put something to sleep first turn so I can get free Nasty Plots up. In my hours of Ubers experience, I'm pretty sure that if I get 2 Nasty Plots up, I can 1-2-KO any Ubers Pokémon that doesn't resist its moves. Leftovers seems like a weird item to put on Darkrai, but I find that it works very well on him because I want Darkrai with the most amount of HP as possible. I have max speed instead of max special attack because I want to be the first person to go in order to use Dark Void immediately. Furthermore, I always see other Darkrai leads, and max speed helps me out-speed and win speed ties. Dark Pulse is the obvious STAB move, but Ice Beam is for type coverage. I could replace Ice Beam with Focus Blast, but I find the need to use Ice Beam a lot.


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Mewtwo: Mewtwonite Y / Life Orb
Ability: Pressure (Insomnia when in Mega Evolution)
Modest Nature (+SpA, -Atk)
EVs: 252 SpA, 252 Spe, 4 HP
-Psystrike
-Aura Sphere
-Ice Beam
-Fire Blast

Mewtwo is my other special sweeper. I personally find that Mewtwo/Mega Mewtwo-Y is the best special sweeper in all of Pokémon. I use Mewtwonite Y when I'm playing X&Y and I use Life Orb when I'm playing BW2 (but 99% of the time I play X&Y). I have max special attack to get the most out of my damage. When I activate my mega evolution, my special attack goes higher than 530, which is absolutely ABSURD. Mewtwo can shred through any team. Psystrike is a very good STAB, especially against special walls. Aura Sphere, Ice Beam, and Fire Blast is for type coverage. I find that I need to use Fire Blast often though.

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Arceus-Normal: Leftovers
Ability:Multitype
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spe, 4 HP
-Swords Dance
-Extreme Speed
-Outrage
-Shadow Claw

I LOVE this Arceus set. Arceus-Normal might not seem like the best option, but I have tried out different Arceus types (such as Steel, Ghost, Grass, and Electric), but I thought they weren't good. However, when I play Arceus-Normal, I love that my STAB is a +2 priority move that has 80 Base Power (120 with STAB). Arceus-Normal is one of my physical attackers. I have Leftovers on Arceus-Normal because I always want to be at max HP. I have max attack to get the most out of my damage. I have Swords Dance to raise my Attack to unreachable heights. I always seem to find a way to get 1 or 2 Swords Dances. I really love the Swords Dance + Extreme Speed combination because you can do HUGE damage with a +2 priority move. I have Outrage and Shadow Claw for type coverage because I couldn't find any other moves to put on him that were good physical moves.

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Rayquaza: Life Orb
Ability: Air Lock
Naïve Nature (+Spe, -SpD)
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spe, 4 HP
-Dragon Dance
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-V-Create

I use Rayquaza as my other physical attacker. I really love Rayquaza and he can wreck face with anything after a couple of Dragon Dances. I have Life Orb to maximize my damage potential. I honestly didn't know if I should have max attack or max speed, but I played it safe and used max speed, which is what Smogon said to do. I have Dragon Dance to up my attack and speed in order to sweep. Outrage is a pretty awesome move for Rayquaza because it has 180 base power with STAB. I honestly didn't know what else to put on him. I had a lot of good physical moves, but I decided to put Earthquake and V-Create for type coverage.

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Groudon: Leftovers
Ability: Drought
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
EVs: 252 Atk, 130 Def, 126 HP
-Stealth Rocks
-Earthquake
-Fire Punch
-Stone Edge

I use Groudon as my physical wall and aggressive Stealth Rock user. I personally like Groudon because it is a pretty decent physical wall with the potential to kill Pokémon easily (unlike "The Great Wall" Lugia set and "The Great Wall" Giratina set). Groudon's goal is to set up Stealth Rocks whenever I can and then play accordingly. I have max Attack to and a little Defense and HP so I can take a hit and then do big damage. I don't have any Speed investments because he acts as a wall that has offensive capability, not a sweeper. I chose Stealth Rock to put hazards up, which I find extremely important in Ubers. I have Earthquake as my obvious STAB and Fire Punch and Stone Edge as type coverage. I chose Fire Punch because it acts as a seudo STAB courtesy of Drought, and I have Stone Edge to hit Pokémon that I can't hit with Earthquake, such as Ho-oh and Rayquaza.

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Lugia: Leftovers
Ability: Multi Scale
Careful Nature (+SpD, -SpA)
EVs: 252 HP, 130 Def, 126 SpD
-Protect
-Recover
-Toxic
-Dragon Tail

OMG. I LOVE Lugia. He is one of the superstars of this team. He can take any kind of hit with his stats and ability, and he is the perfect wall for this team. Lugia can also stall extraordinarily well with the Protect+Recover+Toxic combination. Lugia can also shuffle teams around so they take Stealth Rock damage as well as poison another Pokémon. Lugia is also my counter to set up sweepers. I have max HP because Lugia is 100% wall, and some defensive EVs to increase his Defense and Special Defense. I have Toxic in order to cripple down anything and I have Protect in order to scout what move a Pokémon has or to stall. I played it safe and used Recover for my recovery move instead of Roost. I did this because when you use Roost to recover, you remove your flying type. That can be a good thing, but it can also be a bad thing. I have Dragon Tail as my only attacking move, which shuffles the enemy team. I am thinking of replacing it with Roar, but then I lose some damage. However, Roar is more accurate and can hit Fairy types. I chose Dragon Tail because of the damage.

Possible Threats:
As for any team, there are a few threats that I have. Some of them aren't really threats but more so dangers that if I'm not careful they will become threats.

Rayquaza:
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Rayquaza can pose a huge threat to my team because I have no safe switch-in to it. If Rayquaza gets the opportunity to set up, he can do A LOT of damage to my team. I will have to rely on my Darkrai or Mewtwo out-speeding it in order to fire off an Ice Beam.

Palkia:
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Just like Rayquaza, I have no safe switch in to Palkia. And any Draco Meteor, Hydro Pump, Surf, Aura Sphere, or Thunder can do a lot of damage to my team. I will have to rely on my Lugia to Dragon Tail it away.


Arceus:
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Because Arceus can be any type, Arceus can pose a huge threat if it is certain types. I can rely on all of my team members, but Arceus can do a lot of damage.


Mewtwo:
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Any form of Mewtwo is a big threat to almost any team. They all do a lot of damage with their god-like stats and their massive movepool. I will have to rely on my Darkrai to out-speed it.


Kyogre:
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Just like Rayquaza and Palkia, I have no safe switch in to Kyogre. Kyogre has a massive movepool with the access to Water Spout, Surf, Ice Beam, and Thunder. My only thing to rely on is Lugia, but a Thunder will do a lot of damage to it.


Xerneas:
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OMG! OMG. Xerneas... is the most dangerous thing on the planet. Once it gets an opportunity to set up, you can't kill it. It's broken moveset that consists of Geomancy+Power Herb combination and Moonblast can destroy life. I have to kill it before it gets to set-up. My only counter to set-up sweepers is Lugia, but I can't drag it away because I have Dragon Tail, which Xerneas is immune to.


Minor Threats:
These are Pokémon that are not threats, but can pose dangerous/as threats if I am not careful.

Mega Blaziken:
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Mega Blaziken can pose a threat once my Mewtwo is dead. It's Flare Blitz and Close Combat can work wonders against my team without Mewtwo. I will have to rely on Mewtwo or possibly Lugia to counter it.


Mega Kangaskhan:
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Mega Kangaskhan isn't all that dangerous. It's just that it does a lot of damage and every time when I see one it kills 3 of my Pokémon.


Darkrai:
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Just like any Darkrai, it can put something to sleep and then start setting up. I don't have a safe switch in to it. My Mewtwo knows Aura Sphere, but my only other counters are my Arceus with Extreme Speed and possibly my own Darkrai.

Ho-oh:
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I don't have a safe switch-in to Ho-oh. It can do a lot of damage to my team with Sacred Fire and Brave Bird. I can use Darkrai to outspeed and put him asleep, Lugia to stall him out, or use Stone Edge with Groudon.

Genesect:
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Genesect can be a pain to deal with. It is usually a lead and can outspeed my Darkrai and use U-Turn to do a lot of damage. It also has a good movepool that consists opf U-Turn, Bug Buzz, Ice Beam, Flamethrower, and Thunderbolt. I have a good counter with Lugia as well as Mewtwo's Fire Blast and Groudon's Drought boosted Fire Punch.


Things to Consider:
  • Putting Focus Blast on Darkrai
  • Putting Shadow Ball on Mewtwo
  • Getting rid of Fire Blast on Mewtwo? (possibly)
  • Changing Arceus' type coverage, which is Outrage and Shadow Claw
  • Making Rayquaza a mixed attacker
  • Changing Rayquaza's type coverage, which is Earthquake and V-Create
  • Changing Groudon's EVs and Nature
  • Learning a Dragon move on Groudon
  • Replacing Recover with Roost for Lugia
  • Replacing Dragon Tail with Roar for Lugia (but then Lugia won't have any damaging moves)

Conclusion:
Well, that's my Ubers team for you. I really think it is super good. Please rate my team because I worked really hard on this RMT. My whole thread got deleted because of an error, and I had to restart it. I also spent about 30 minutes trying to find working animated Pokémon sprites. I will accept any suggestions and I will be grateful for them. THANK YOU!:toast:.

Animated Pokémon Sprites (the animated back-sprites don't work. Only the front ones do): http://www.pkparaiso.com/xy/sprites_pokemon.php
 
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Hey look, a team with six viable mons along with formatting that doesn't make you want to commit sudoku.

Things to Consider:
  • Putting Focus Blast on Darkrai
  • Putting Shadow Ball on Mewtwo
  • Getting rid of Fire Blast on Mewtwo? (possibly)
  • Changing Arceus' type coverage, which is Outrage and Shadow Claw
  • Making Rayquaza a mixed attacker
  • Changing Rayquaza's type coverage, which is Earthquake and V-Create
  • Changing Groudon's EVs and Nature
  • Learning a Dragon move on Groudon
  • Replacing Recover with Roost for Lugia
  • Replacing Dragon Tail with Roar for Lugia (but then Lugia won't have any damaging moves)
Sludge Bomb > Ice Beam on Darkrai
Ice isn't really super useful coverage anymore, especially for a special attacker. Sludge Bomb allows Darkrai to actually significantly damage fairies and has decent coverage when combined with Dark Pulse. Focus Blast can be useful if it even hits, but really Sludge Bomb is all around better.

Taunt > Aura Sphere on MM2Y
Fast Taunt is a great asset for a team to have when against defensive builds, and Aura Sphere is a pretty weak move with little added coverage anyways. Shadow Ball on MM2Y is meh, as it can't really do enough damage while against some ghosts, Mewtwo's other coverage is better anyways (i.e. against Giratina and Aegislash).

Fire Blast on MM2Y is fine
I see no reason to change this, fire + ice coverage along with Psystrike is nasty giving few things able to switch in without taking a ton of damage or being scared out anyways.

Earthquake > Outrage on EKiller
Outrage hits virtually nothing. Earthquake is pretty mandatory on EKiller as coverage imo anyways.

Extreme Speed > Earthquake on Rayquaza
Rayquaza benefits greatly from this move, and while Earthquake can be useful, in most cases it is far outclassed by strong priority. Many offensive threats pressure you hard anyways and more priority helps this a bit.

Choose either offensive SR or defensive SR for Groudon
Offensive EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe / Adamant @ Earth Plate
Defensive EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def / Impish @ Leftovers

Roost > Recover on Lugia
Basically a mandatory move on Lugia.

Whirlwind > Dragon Tail + Aeroblast > Protect on Lugia
Whirlwind is more reliable in general and goes beyond subs as many set up sweepers and all BP teams make use of this move (you also complain about Geo Xern but this doesn't fully fix the problem). If you want an offensive move on Lugia run Aeroblast over Protect since Protect isn't actually that useful.


The title of this RMT is confusing, but since this is posted in XY as Ubers I assume it is that (I don't know enough about BW2 Ubers to suggest anything). Keep in mind that there are many other optimizations to make and tons of shit that just outright beats you anyways, but this stuff should get you started and answer your questions from your "things to consider" section.


Please optimize the following as well:

Adamant > Naive on Rayquaza
I can't think of anything crucial that 252+ Ray beats that 252 doesn't.

Timid > Modest on MM2Y
Beating Mega Gengar, Darkrai and Skymin is needed.

Lum Berry > Leftovers on EKiller + 56 Speed EVs minimum
With your EVs I would run a Lum Berry and add 56 speed EVs to retain bulk while beating some common stuff. Some other raters may suggest going to full 252+ speed with Life Orb.
 
Hey look, a team with six viable mons along with formatting that doesn't make you want to commit sudoku.


Roost > Recover on Lugia
Basically a mandatory move on Lugia.

Whirlwind > Dragon Tail + Aeroblast > Protect on Lugia


really? recover always over roost due to not giving up flying type and there being NO OTHER REASON NOT TO. why you would use roost instead of recover is way beyond me.

whirlwind > Dragon tail?
Depends on what you need, since whirlwind saves you from geoxern. dragon tail's positive is that it does damage.

Aeroblast > Protect

i have no words.
to be honest you need defog support more than anything. defog > protect.
aeroblast. just stop please.
 
Aeroblast > Protect

i have no words.
to be honest you need defog support more than anything. defog > protect.
aeroblast. just stop please.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/lugia-gp-2-2.3500558/
I think that Aeroblast is more viable than you think buster. This team does need Defog support tho, and since you need a switch-in to Kyogre, maybe Arceus-Water over EKiller since you have Ray as a cleaner and you want a Ho-Oh switch-in (to an extent). Also Lugia's moveset should look like this to suit your team's needs:

move 1: Roost
move 2: Toxic
move 3: Whirlwind
move 4: Aeroblast
ability: Multiscale
item: Leftovers
evs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
nature: Bold

You can defeat MegaBlaze and MM2X, in addition to being able to phaze GeoXern. Most problems solved.
 
Who said this team was primarily offensive? It's balanced: 2 physical sweepers, 2 special sweepers, 1 physical wall, and 1 special wall. But my physical wall has offensive capability.

And there's no need to post the same comment twice. Like seriously?
 
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