Yeah it’s not getting banned from OU but with Weavile it’s a 50/50. If they switch out then it lives and you’re stuck in Ice Shard. If you expect the switch and click Pursuit but they stay in then you’re dead.
Haze from Toxapex essentially lets this use Draco Meteor drawback-free as Haze resets even the -2 Sp.Atk. Toxapex in a way is setup fodder for this.I think "it won't last long in OU" it's exaggerating it. Moreover it's really frail:
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dragalge: 240-284 (83.6 - 98.9%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Aerilate Pinsir-Mega Quick Attack vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dragalge: 117-138 (40.7 - 48%) -- 59% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
While it's resistances are really nice, it's sheer bulk is really underwhelming, so unless it's a weak attack I can see it really hard to come in, besides VoltTurns or after sacks.
It can pick off a weakened pex as I said, but it oftentimes carries Haze, so you're kinda useless against those. It can't do much in return besides scalding tho, but that's it. And on a frail mon which already suffers hazards a lot, every bit of chip it's important.
Actually, no, neither of those can revenge kill, because its beast boost will give it a speed boost, which is exactly why this mon will be extremely scary to face.Phermosa has way better speed which really put it over the top. There’s numerous things in OU faster than it and things like Mega Alakazam and scarf Latios can revenge kill it pretty well unless Naganadel itself is scarfed.
Beast Boost gives this Speed boost so scarfer outside of Greninja is of no usePhermosa has way better speed which really put it over the top. There’s numerous things in OU faster than it and things like Mega Alakazam and scarf Latios can revenge kill it pretty well unless Naganadel itself is scarfed.
The issue with that is you’re not killing anything else if you used Draco Meteor unless you were already at +2.Actually, no, neither of those can revenge kill, because its beast boost will give it a speed boost, which is exactly why this mon will be extremely scary to face.
Really good points indeed. I guess we'll see how it turns out to be in practice.Haze from Toxapex essentially lets this use Draco Meteor drawback-free as Haze resets even the -2 Sp.Atk. Toxapex in a way is setup fodder for this.
I mentioned Weavile because it can sort of revenge this. However, in the meta context, Weavile isnt that great so you cant think "oh, Weavile can Ice Shard this. I'll use Weavile" while in reality, using Weavile opens hole for Shift Gear Magearna and so many other things.
As the old Deoxys and the more recent Pheromosa have proven, fraility does NOT matter when you hit hard and are fast. Naganadel is bulkier than both of these and hits hard enough for its poor bulk to not be a problem.
Of course, i could be overselling this but it's still strong AF.
It's a very dangerous sweeper indeed, even though Draco drops its NP boosts, +2 Draconium assures you a kill even on 252 HP/ 4 SpDef Heatran after rocks.This Pokémon is out of control. That Speed, excelent movepool (Poison-Dragon-Fire combination) and almost the same SpA as Latios. I mean... what? Just with that Speed and Beast Boost + Nasty Plot it'll easily rampage through teams.
I've learnt that Pokémon like this in the hands of a good players doesn't need anything, just a turn to set up. And, while all of this is pure theorymon, for a Pokémon of these stats it shouldn't be difficult. Its switch ins are too predictable because they practically don't exist and ppl are talking about Heatran as if Heatran, by itself, could handle this threat eternally. This shit can learn U-turn, it can run Specs and fire nukes the same as Latios but with Beast Boost too. I think while fighting against the over-hyping some ppl are understimating this guy. This is a beast.It's a very dangerous sweeper indeed, even though Draco drops its NP boosts, +2 Draconium assures you a kill even on 252 HP/ 4 SpDef Heatran after rocks.
One thing I'd like to note tho, I personally feel it's somewhat difficult to build around since of its hazard weakeness and its nigh zero defensive capabilites. Yeah resitances are nice for set-up, but I'll reconsiderate my previous point on it's ability to practically set up.
To be fair, if it gets a kill is nigh impossible to revenge kill without priority. Thanks to beast boost, Naganadel gets a +1 speed, and no mon with >127 speed can actually beat it down from full.Naganadel one caught me completely by surprise, but it's probably the best new mon we have. The only things in OU that stop a NP set with Draconium Z are Chansey and Hetaran, and both of those still take a lot from +2 Devastating Drake, and aren't actually too hard to wear down. And obviously, the speed tier is great even by the current ultra-high standards of the OU tier. The only thing really holding it back is that its bulk is pretty bad (it's about on par with Weavile) and makes it a bit difficult to find NP opportunities, but the typing kinda remedies that by giving it key resists to Water, Electric and Fighting.
It's entirely possible that this may end up being banned, but the tier has become so fast that it may actually be too slow to be broken. Common offensive stuff like Tapu Koko, Greninja, Hawlucha in Electric terrain, Swampert in Rain, Mega Lopunny and a bunch of Scarfers can revenge kill it. I highly doubt it's going to be that much of a threat to offensive teams. Balance teams are going to have a hell of a bad time dealing with it though, and we may see a return of the slow, bulky Heatrans of gen 6, but this time with Earth Power. More than anything, it's giving me flashbacks of ORAS Greninja which is... not a great sign, especially since it will definitely be more threatening to defensive teams.
oh my god I completely forgot about Beast Boost, please ignore what I said about it not being a problem for offense lolTo be fair, if it gets a kill is nigh impossible to revenge kill without priority. Thanks to beast boost, Naganadel gets a +1 speed, and no mon with >127 speed can actually beat it down from full.
I'm slowly shifting from "yeah it's really cool let's not overhype it tho" to "on paper it's really really busted, expecially if Lele is on the team".
For offense it actually may not be too bad, as between the lack of a boosting item and the need to set up to do big actual damage, it kinda gets offensively overwhelmed.oh my god I completely forgot about Beast Boost, please ignore what I said about it not being a problem for offense lol
Still, AV T-Tar the goat can avoid the ko from +2 devastating drake into +2 Draco meteorThank u.
Realistically though, this thing doesn’t have a whole lot of defensive counterplay. AV Gear can comfortably take a +2 Fire Blast and OHKO (after rocks) in turn with Fleur. Chansey... Seismic Toss 3HKOs, admittedly, but +2 Devastrating Drake + +2 Draco actually kills. There’s a couple 50/50s there. But I think it breaks Chansey... eventually. It probably takes enough damage to comfortably get revenged by Weavile, though. Specially Defensive Tran can take a +2 Drake and retaliate with Earth Power, but I think it dies to the next Draco too.
It’s sad because I really want to use this in OU.