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Pokemon, a science

That reminds me of that quote someone said here one time, that Nintendo flew their Dodrios over realism or something....
 
The anime explaineed that dodrio doesn't fly but jumps extremely high. Still I would love to see Dodrio jump from Twin Leaf town all the way to Snow point city
 
Superman's abilities as well as his physics have changed over the generations. For Example: at one point, Superman was able to turn back time.

One of the incarnations of Superman actually didn't fly, he just jumped really really high and really really far.
 
Well, dark types were introduced because ghost and psychic types were dominating the game. But I always had the same line of thinking as Iron Thorn. And by the way, pokemon evolution seems to me more like transmutation O_o'. You know when the nucleus of an atom becomes another (I'm a chem major xP).


transmutaton makes sense i suppose, is it anything like emitting beta decay? thats what i concluded about pokemon evolution releasing energy AND getting bigger at the same time you know, carbon 14 releasing a beta particle and getting an extra proton at the same time?
 
Eh.
Radiation leaking from the stones could have been exposed to the Pokemon, causing it to mutate.

That sounds a lot more morale that general spontaneous mutation.
 
technically, he can only learn tms and hms which make sense if you think of mew as some kind of original pokemon in terms of darwinistic evolution

from mew, other species divergently evolved, haha, evolved...

and so mew can learn all the tms and hms which can be considered primal moves, and those pokemon like marowak, who cant learn surf and stuff, learns exclusive moves like bone club to make up for its evolutionary progress

or something


Actually, it doesn't really make much sense...as the ancestor would be expected to have less capabilities. Fish evolved into all the vertebrates on land, meaning the original fish is the "ancestor land animal that isn't an insect, arachnid, etc"; although some land animals are in capable of swimming (meaning they lost an old ability), they've gained vast amounts of new ones; could you see a fish agilely swing around in trees like a monkey, or flip over giant boulders with a paw like a grizzly bear, or run at extreme speeds like a cheetah?
This does somewhat fit I guess, in that TMs could be called the primoral moves, such as swimming, that something like a Chimp may have lost, and the "vine swinging", "boulder flipping", and "ridiculously fast running" could be level up moves such as bone club...

This actually does seam somewhat plausible in that case...

How can Zubat use Fly to carry any trainer anywhere?

With enough LSD anything is possible.

If Flying types can fly away from Ground attacks, why can they be, say, Bitten?

Flying type pokemon hover just a little off the ground, which is why ground type moves don't effect them, however, they are extremely low so your Poochyena can still bite it, or the Snorlax can still body slam it by jumping up a little...
The birds remain close so that they can still attack and fight, by pecking, etc.
When they actually do fly high (useing the move fly) then they are to high to really be able to hit by anything at all (and your bite misses)...

Why are Bug type attacks super effective on Psychics?

One could probably somewhat easilly make up an excuse; bugs are extremely unusual in many catagories such as resisting poison, radiation, etc, and their own weapons might be resistant to the defenses psychic types have.

Why do Bugs receive half damage from Fighting attacks?

Fighting type attacks are like martial arts in a way, as in they are designed to be effective moves against normal opponents (and also rocks and steel by bending them or something), but, these strategies simply don't work well against the exoskeleton of a bug type.

iirc it can't learn fly, only Crobat does. I remember in gsc I wanted him to be my flier but I had to wait ages to get it to evolve.

Well, in that case, what about pidgey?
Show me a pidgeon carrying someone around....

No... They have talons. ^^

Thats the same thing as claws...



Now, here are the odities I'm pointing out:
The weights given to pokemon are absolutely rediculous and dumb:
Aron weighs 132lbs, and it is extremely small...okay, so it is very dense.
Then, what happens when it terns into a giant Aggron? Aggrons are about 6 feet tall, and only weigh about 700lbs...what happened to all that dense rock and metal armor?
Bagons are 2 feet tall and 90 lbs...also a little bit of a stretch considering they aren't made out of metal or anything...

Worst of all, however, is this:
Wailord weighs under 900lbs, and it is more then 47 feet long.
Now, I don't know much about animals and their dimensions compared to weight, however, I once heard from someone that a 1,500lb grizzly bear was shot by a hunter...and how long was it? Not even 11 feet because of how heavily muscles it is and how heavy muscles are, etc...

Now, a bear is no where near as big around as a whale, so, why the hell would a huge bear be 1,500lbs and around 10-11 feet long, whereas your average whale pokemon 47 feet long, and only less then 900 lbs?

That defies all logic, even if the thing is hollow, it still has to have muscles, etc, inside of it somewhere...
And being filled with helium doesn't work for an animal that dives however many thousand feat under water (dp pokedex entry), and hydrogen works even less because then it's ability would be the opposite of it being unable to get a burn "blows up when fire or electric move is used".
I think whoever put it's weight in forgot multiple 0s at the end of it's weight.
 
Actually, it doesn't really make much sense...as the ancestor would be expected to have less capabilities. Fish evolved into all the vertebrates on land, meaning the original fish is the "ancestor land animal that isn't an insect, arachnid, etc"; although some land animals are in capable of swimming (meaning they lost an old ability), they've gained vast amounts of new ones; could you see a fish agilely swing around in trees like a monkey, or flip over giant boulders with a paw like a grizzly bear, or run at extreme speeds like a cheetah?
This does somewhat fit I guess, in that TMs could be called the primoral moves, such as swimming, that something like a Chimp may have lost, and the "vine swinging", "boulder flipping", and "ridiculously fast running" could be level up moves such as bone club...

This actually does seam somewhat plausible in that case...



With enough LSD anything is possible.



Flying type pokemon hover just a little off the ground, which is why ground type moves don't effect them, however, they are extremely low so your Poochyena can still bite it, or the Snorlax can still body slam it by jumping up a little...
The birds remain close so that they can still attack and fight, by pecking, etc.
When they actually do fly high (useing the move fly) then they are to high to really be able to hit by anything at all (and your bite misses)...



One could probably somewhat easilly make up an excuse; bugs are extremely unusual in many catagories such as resisting poison, radiation, etc, and their own weapons might be resistant to the defenses psychic types have.



Fighting type attacks are like martial arts in a way, as in they are designed to be effective moves against normal opponents (and also rocks and steel by bending them or something), but, these strategies simply don't work well against the exoskeleton of a bug type.



Well, in that case, what about pidgey?
Show me a pidgeon carrying someone around....



Thats the same thing as claws...



Now, here are the odities I'm pointing out:
The weights given to pokemon are absolutely rediculous and dumb:
Aron weighs 132lbs, and it is extremely small...okay, so it is very dense.
Then, what happens when it terns into a giant Aggron? Aggrons are about 6 feet tall, and only weigh about 700lbs...what happened to all that dense rock and metal armor?
Bagons are 2 feet tall and 90 lbs...also a little bit of a stretch considering they aren't made out of metal or anything...

Worst of all, however, is this:
Wailord weighs under 900lbs, and it is more then 47 feet long.
Now, I don't know much about animals and their dimensions compared to weight, however, I once heard from someone that a 1,500lb grizzly bear was shot by a hunter...and how long was it? Not even 11 feet because of how heavily muscles it is and how heavy muscles are, etc...

Now, a bear is no where near as big around as a whale, so, why the hell would a huge bear be 1,500lbs and around 10-11 feet long, whereas your average whale pokemon 47 feet long, and only less then 900 lbs?

That defies all logic, even if the thing is hollow, it still has to have muscles, etc, inside of it somewhere...
And being filled with helium doesn't work for an animal that dives however many thousand feat under water (dp pokedex entry), and hydrogen works even less because then it's ability would be the opposite of it being unable to get a burn "blows up when fire or electric move is used".
I think whoever put it's weight in forgot multiple 0s at the end of it's weight.


What explains those 70+ pound bugs (look at Butterfree)? :)
 
I like how the developers avoid using "Pokemon" and instead use "prey" in the Pokedex. Seriously, what do carnivorous pokemon eat? And humans?

Also, some typings just don't make sense. Steel is immune to poison? I suppose Acid wouldn't burn through it then? Why doesn't Water just make Steel rust as well? Why is Dark and Ghost good against Psychic? Shouldn't Ground types be able to avoid damage from Flying types by going underground?
 
Dark and Ghost against Psychic doesn't really have any logical reasoning. In GSC, Game Freak needed to nerf Psychic a bit from its dominance in RBY, so they made Ghost SE against it and then invented Dark. Also, Ground Pokemon only go underground when they use Dig. Also, don't tell me that a huge Hippowdon can go underground.
 
When I first heard about Steel I really thought it would be weak against Electric, they should short circuit or something.

But this is a both stupid and interesting thread ;P
 
Water shouldn't be weak to electric. Pure water doesn't conduct electricity (Suicune, anyone?).
I guess the only logical explanation behind it is that so water wouldn't be overpowered, but then why couldn't they just make poison SE against water instead of electric?
 
Poison should be SE against water. Water gets polluted.

The salt content in bodies makes the water more conductive. If electricity had to travel throught a pool with a metal drain (its target) and a person floating in it, it would go straight through the person to get more conductivity.
 
Dark and Ghost against Psychic doesn't really have any logical reasoning. In GSC, Game Freak needed to nerf Psychic a bit from its dominance in RBY, so they made Ghost SE against it and then invented Dark. Also, Ground Pokemon only go underground when they use Dig. Also, don't tell me that a huge Hippowdon can go underground.

I'm sure people could bs something.

What explains those 70+ pound bugs (look at Butterfree)? :)
In our atmosphere, a bug with that weight would die...
Lets just asume they have lungs =).

The pokedex entry in I think the original RBY said Pidgeot eat magikarp, so they do eat each other.

Now what Garchomps eat, and several other pokemon, I'm not sure.

Also, the largest mistake in typing that I had somehow forgotten:
Electricity vs. ground and flying.

If something is in the air, and then someone touches them with some electric thing (lets say a spark plug; they have high voltage...), will it get shocked? No, as the electricity wont even go through them because it can't get anywhere (the target is always the ground).
Air planes flying often get hit by lightning...what happens? They get a scorch mark from the extreme heat, if even that, nothing else, as the electricity itself doesn't effect it because it is in the air.

Now, if it was on the ground, with a wire leading into it (and not non-conducting rubber tires like those cars have) it's electrical components would get fried.

Being "grounded" fucks you over when you come into contact with electricity, being the opposite, as in having no contact with it, as would be the case if your sitting on rubber tires, or on nothing at all (as in, if your in the air) then you'd be completely immune from the electricity (but not necessarily the heat, so lightning, which is hotter then the suns surface, will kill you no matter).

Clearly, Game Freak got a little confused here; ground should be weak to electricity, and flying immune.

Water shouldn't be weak to electric. Pure water doesn't conduct electricity (Suicune, anyone?).
Water is never pure naturally things such as salt and other minerals make it conductive, and other things that would be necessary for animals to be able to live in it I'm sure as well.
Their is a difference between being "pure" and "not polluted".

Steel and even rock should probably be imune to poison, except for the move "acid"; poison normally works by having enzymes that disolve tissues...you tell me how that'd work on a rock or chunk of metal.

Stainless steel doesn't rust, as well as other types of high quallity steel.

Steel shouldn't be weak to electricity, in that they don't have computer components, etc, they just have an armor made of metal...and probably aren't any more conductive then normal pokemon, in that steel isn't the most conductive metal. Though, actually, being weak to electricity probably makes a lot more sense then being weak to fire, unless you honestly expect the pokemon to get anywhere near it's melting point (or point where the steel begins to weaken).
Normal types would die long before temperatures like that, and I don't see them having a fire weakness.
 
transmutaton makes sense i suppose, is it anything like emitting beta decay? thats what i concluded about pokemon evolution releasing energy AND getting bigger at the same time you know, carbon 14 releasing a beta particle and getting an extra proton at the same time?
In Beta decay, while the atomic number does increase, it doesn't just "gain an extra proton". A neutron seperates into an electron (aka Beta particle) and a proton, which is left in the nucleus. No mass is gained, but is in fact lost due to the loss of an electron as well as Mass Error, which does result in a significant amount of energy being released.
 
What the fudge is aura? Apparently all living things generate it, but how does a freaking sunflower do that? Do Razz and Bluk berries give off aura? I suppose a Stantler or a Pupitar would give off aura, perhaps it's brain waves, but plants have no brains so that can't be it.
 
Dark pokemon live in darkness. We can assume that they, like emos, shut themselves out from the outside world, and therefore don't display their thoughts to mind probes (Psychic pokemon). Therefore, the only Psychic moves that could hurt it would be physical, like Zen Headbutt. Hehe...Zen Headbutt.

Also: How does Heatran use Attract? I know it can have a gender, but who would want that ugly thing as a partner?

Also Also: Normal types should be weak to a lot of things. A bunny rabbit takes neutral damage from a freaking thunderbolt.
 
What explains those 70+ pound bugs (look at Butterfree)? :)


"Meganeura monyi was a prehistoric insect of the Carboniferous period(300 million years ago), resembling and related to the present-day dragonfly. With a wingspan of more than 75 cm (2 feet) wide, it was the largest known flying insect species ever appear on earth..."

...Controversy has prevailed as to how insects of the Carboniferous period were able to grow so large. The way oxygen is diffused through the insect's body via its tracheal breathing system puts an upper limit on body size, which prehistoric insects seem to have well exceeded. It was originally proposed (Harlé & Harlé, 1911) that Meganeura was only able to fly because the atmosphere at that time contained more oxygen than the present 20 percent..."

"This theory was dismissed by fellow scientists, but has found approval more recently through further study into the relationship between gigantism and oxygen availability. If this theory is correct, these insect giants would have been perilously susceptible to falling oxygen levels and certainly could not survive in our modern atmosphere."

Earth doesn't have enough Oxygen in its atmosphere to support larger Bug-type Pokemon, so Pokemon must not take place on Earth. And if that's the case, how unlikely would it be that Humans would be present on this other planet as well, and with a culture and technology that is so similar to our own without influence from us here on Earth, who don't have the technology or ability to exert such an influence?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meganeura

Note: Meganeura Monyi appears to be a little smaller than Yanmega, who weighs in at 113.5 lbs.
 
Also: How does Heatran use Attract? I know it can have a gender, but who would want that ugly thing as a partner?

It's a Legendary Pokémon. Other Pokémon are attracted to Heatran for its power and status, rather than its appearance *shot*.

Another thing which always bothered me is why your character passes out every time he loses. It makes him look like such a hypersensitive freak, or at the best case, having a disturbingly close bond with his Pokémon. You don't see Psychics collapsing when they lose!

And then you lose half your money (which I assume is taken by whoever transported you back to the Pokémon Centre as payment for services rendered in accordance with the Celadon Samaritan Act of '97). At least in D/P the money loss isn't so outrageous.
 
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