Quality Control Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 In-Game Tiers

atsync

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Just some thoughts I had:

Azurill
  • The typing section says that there aren't any Electric-type trainers to worry about, but surely Elesa is a thing? Elesa could probably be mentioned in Major Battles too I guess.
  • Minor nitpick: in Additional Comments, I would change "the other abilities" to "Thick Fat" just because it's the only alternative in this context.
  • I wonder if its poor Speed needs to be emphasized a little more? It's briefly mentioned in Stats but I would think it might be a problem late game when it has to take hits frequently and requires healing. The game does provide numerous heals though so it seems to be a minor problem.
Jolteon
  • Apparently there's a hidden Thunder Stone near the Pokemon Centre in Nimbasa City. Not sure what the normal strategy is for Jolteon in B2W2 but that might warrant a mention.
  • Needs to mention Volt Switch by Elesa's TM in movepool - it seems to be its only special STAB for quite a while. Thunder Wave TM can also be purchased in Nimbasa City Mart, allowing it much earlier access to the move.
 
Heatmor, Durant, Cryogonal, Mantyke, and Wailmer are on the regional Pokedex but not in this list. If they're unobtainable, shouldn't they at least be untiered? Also why are the untiered Pokemon in Pokedex order when everything else is alphabetical?
 

Conni

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Here's some of my thoughts, although generally the top 5 entries are really well done imo.

Cobalion
  • I think its Special Defense deserves a mention in Stats as super effective coverage or strong special attack STAB moves can take it out quickly
  • In the E4, it does moderately I'd say, it does has good resistances against most Pokemon but coverage moves, such as special attacks like Flamethrower from Hydreigon or just generally strong special attacks like Psychic from Reuniclus do decent damage. I wouldn't mention all of this, but I'd just say to be wary of special coverage or just strong special moves in general
Azumarill
  • Just one thing I'd mention that Azumarill is quite bulky, but exceptionally powerful Pokemon will still be big trouble for it like Conkeldurr (eg. approximately 2HKOs Azumarill with Hammer Arm), nevertheless it is a solid pick against the E4.
Jolteon & Espeon
  • I think that its crucial to mention that these two have mediocre physical Defense, so if it doesn't defeat the opponent it can be hit quite hard which can make late-game opponents like the E4 quite troublesome for these two as they the Pokemon they use are generally bulky and hit quite hard as well.
 

Its_A_Random

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Back on my bullshit.

Starting from now I will aim to look at one entry a day (maybe two) and do some minor cleanup, looking for some further input to get these entries as solid as possible.

Starting with:

Name: Axew
Availability: Axew can be found in Mistralton Cave with a 20% Chance.
Stats: Average bulk, but above average Speed and a whopping base 147 Attack in its final form.
Typing: Dragon is solid all around, offering an excellent neutral STAB and useful resistances.
Movepool: Great offensive movepool with good physical coverage, but the real gems lie in Dragon Claw and Dragon Dance. It needs to be tutored Low Kick or Superpower, or learn Dig through TM, to beat Steel-types.
Major Battles: Axew does not have a single horrible matchup. Against most major battles, it is a matter of using Dragon Dance 1-2 times against an appropriate opponent and sweeping. Otherwise, you can make use of Axew's strength to deal heavy damage against those you cannot reliably use Dragon Dance against.
Additional Comments: Mold Breaker is the preferred ability as it allows Axew to bypass Sturdy. Do note that it is difficult to raise Axew in the beginning due to its late evolutions.

Changes
-Replaced Brick Break with Dig as a mention as the Brick Break TM (PWT) is too inefficient to get and Dig works just as well.
-Minor rewrites.

Name: Azurill
Availability: Azurill can be found in Floccesy Ranch with a 20% Chance. Its evolution, Marill, can be found in Route 6 with a 5% Chance.
Stats: Only really lacking in Speed, but Azumarill is both bulky and packs a real punch when using Huge Power. It has essentially 150 Base Attack.
Typing: Water is a great typing both offensively and defensively. Water STAB in general is a huge asset and are not too many Grass- and Electric-type trainers to worry about.
Movepool: Azurill gets access to Frustration as soon as it is obtained, and then Return immediately after the first gym. This goes well with its Normal typing and its evolution type. After evolving, it gets Aqua Tail at level 21, and later Waterfall and Superpower, and Ice Punch through tutoring.
Major Battles: It has uses against most of the gyms, just through sheer strength. Clay should prove no obstacle, and you can even smash through Drayden's Dragons. Against the Elite Four its sheer strength helps, but its low speed means that it will be relying on its bulk to pull through (and even that might not be enough). With Ice Punch you can take on Iris in a similar fashion, taking hits and firing back with super effective moves. Elesa is a problematic matchup since it is weak to Volt Switch and its bulk can only go so far.
Additional Comments: Only use Huge Power; all you need is to take advantage of that wonderful Attack.

Changes
-Removed other ability mentions altogether; Huge Power being a must use makes mentioning Thick Fat redundant.
-Adjusted Major Battles and Typing based on atsync's and Conni's suggestions.
-Minor rewrites.

Would definitely appreciate some more input and/or fact checking. I'll look at Cobalion in a few months at least in the next couple of days.
 

Its_A_Random

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Only looked at Cobalion today.

Name: Cobalion
Availability: Cobalion can be found on Route 13 as an interactive encounter.
Stats: Cobalion will rely on its high physical bulk and Speed. Its Attack stat average at best, and its special bulk is nothing spectacular.
Typing: Cobalion also relies on its typing. Steel/Fighting is great defensively, while it grants Cobalion a good offensive STAB.
Movepool: It starts off with Sacred Sword and Iron Head. These will be its main moves throughout the rest of the game. It will learn Swords Dance at Lv49 which will help it take down opponents easier with its subpar Attack stat.
Major Battles: Cobalion does not really struggle against what is left. Drayden will not be difficult to deal with. The only real problems are Marlon and Marshal, and needs to watch out against strong special attackers in the Pokemon League (e.g. Iris' Hydreigon).

Changes
-Added Conni's suggestions with regards to special bulk (though I want a little more input on mentioning league stuff in major battles since Cobalion should be outrunning most things and Caitilin's Reuniclus might be free in practice since you could just set up Swords Dance on Musharna).
-Minor rewrites.

Definitely would like a little more input on Cobalion before finalising it. I'll look at Espeon/Jolteon next time around.
 

Its_A_Random

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Name: Eevee - Espeon
Availability: Eevee can be found in the grass in Castelia City with a 5% chance.
Stats: As Espeon, Eevee has a high 130 base Special Attack. Its Speed sits at a high base 110. Bad physical bulk means it will take a lot of damage lategame.
Typing: Psychic hits Fighting- and Poison-type super effectively, which will give it some good matchups. Defensively, it can't go up against Ghost-, Dark-, and Bug-types.
Movepool: Evolving Eevee before Level 21 is necessary in order to learn Psybeam. Afterwards, Psychic and Morning Sun are Espeon's best level-up moves. Espeon also wants the Shadow Ball TM and Signal Beam from a Move Tutor.
Major Battles: For major battles, the best situation you can use Espeon in is against Marshall in the Pokemon League. However, with its high Special Attack and Speed, Espeon succeed in a lot of major battles, like against Marshall and Caitlin.
Additional Comments: Since Eevee evolves into Espeon through happiness, you can get Espeon really early in the game, but it will eat up some of your time.

Changes
-Rewrote the movepool section
-Added physical bulk mention as per Conni's suggestion
-Minor rewrites

Name: Eevee - Jolteon
Availability: Eevee can be found in the grass in Castelia City with a 5% chance.
Stats: Jolteon's Speed is at a high 130, while its Special Attack is a high 110. Bad physical bulk means it will take a lot of damage lategame.
Typing: Its pure Electric typing gives a good offensive STAB, but will leave it vulnerable to Ground-types.
Movepool: Jolteon has does not have much early on. Thunder Fang, Work Up, and the Volt Switch TM will suffice until Discharge. Signal Beam from the Move Tutor and the Shadow Ball team give it useful coverage later on.
Major Battles: Skyla and Marlon are Jolteon's best matchups. Its ability will also allow it to do very well against Elesa.
Additional Comments: A hidden Thunder Stone can be found near the Nimbasa Pokemon Center.

Changes
-Rewrote the movepool section, added Volt Switch as per atsync's suggestion
-Added physical bulk mention as per Conni's suggestion
-Added an AC section to mention Thunder Stone as per atsync's suggestion
-Minor rewrites

I'll look at Vaporeon, Elekid, and Lillipup next up, some input on those entries would be appreciated.
 
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Heatmor, Durant, Cryogonal, Mantyke, and Wailmer are on the regional Pokedex but not in this list. If they're unobtainable, shouldn't they at least be untiered? Also why are the untiered Pokemon in Pokedex order when everything else is alphabetical?
 

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