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SPOILERS! Pokemon Legends: Arceus *Leak Thread*
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I don't know if we should be so sure that new moves that pokemon learn in PLA will even be transferrable to home. We could have the let's go situation where movesets are generated on import to home. They have the opportunity for example to give piplup roost through the pla/bdsp piplup distribution but they chose not to.
Is there any trainer docs? I know only that Volo have Cynthia's team, except that Milotic swapped for H-Arcanine.
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Banned deucer.
Starters new forms:
-dark knight samurai, Yasuke, dishonored, sucker punch
-wandering warior monk, will get priority moves in future
-mujina; badgers and shamanism, https://japanesegallery.com/yoshitoshi-tsukioka-old-badger-one-hundred-aspects-of-the-moon
If DLC rumor is true we could get more... Are all misty maped locations accesible?
-dark knight samurai, Yasuke, dishonored, sucker punch
-wandering warior monk, will get priority moves in future
-mujina; badgers and shamanism, https://japanesegallery.com/yoshitoshi-tsukioka-old-badger-one-hundred-aspects-of-the-moon
If DLC rumor is true we could get more... Are all misty maped locations accesible?
I have no idea if PLA battle style can be applied on PS, probably it will demand a great workaround. It's not clear what exactly is a turn, it seems it uses a cycle of speed calculations based on style, move and speed status.
I think sadly not, also waiting for it.
But someone confirmed Volo's Team being as you wrote:)
252 SpA Arceus-Fighting Judgment vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blissey: 236-282 (33 - 39.4%) -- 99.9% chance to 3HKO
252 SpA Arceus-Fighting Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Blissey: 200-236 (28 - 33%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 SpA Arceus-Fighting Judgment vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 198-234 (28.1 - 33.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 SpA Arceus-Fighting Judgment vs. 248 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 158-188 (22.4 - 26.7%) -- 25.9% chance to 4HKO
252 SpA Arceus-Ice Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Giratina: 198-234 (39.2 - 46.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
(Multiscale makes displaying the Calcs weird, but it's a 3HKO against physically defensive Lugia as well)
Losing the 20% boost from the type plate was a big deal here, there's a few of those calcs that are an extra hit because of that.
Yes, Arceus can set up in that situation, but if it gets statused while it does, that's a problem. And as others have mentioned, the speed tier is a bigger problem. Honestly, a bulky set may be a better option than an outright sweeper. A lot is going to depend on how Arceus's type is decided from among the options. Random would probably be strongest, because if there's any order, look for of teams to start carrying specific coverage based on what Arceus is likely to be against their team, similar to imposter-proofing.
252 SpA Arceus-Fighting Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Blissey: 200-236 (28 - 33%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 SpA Arceus-Fighting Judgment vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 198-234 (28.1 - 33.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 SpA Arceus-Fighting Judgment vs. 248 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 158-188 (22.4 - 26.7%) -- 25.9% chance to 4HKO
252 SpA Arceus-Ice Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Giratina: 198-234 (39.2 - 46.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
(Multiscale makes displaying the Calcs weird, but it's a 3HKO against physically defensive Lugia as well)
Losing the 20% boost from the type plate was a big deal here, there's a few of those calcs that are an extra hit because of that.
Yes, Arceus can set up in that situation, but if it gets statused while it does, that's a problem. And as others have mentioned, the speed tier is a bigger problem. Honestly, a bulky set may be a better option than an outright sweeper. A lot is going to depend on how Arceus's type is decided from among the options. Random would probably be strongest, because if there's any order, look for of teams to start carrying specific coverage based on what Arceus is likely to be against their team, similar to imposter-proofing.
Apparently, as some of us speculated, Hyper Beam's drawback is a speed penalty like a Strong Style move.
Naturally, Mastery mitigates that because of Agile Style, or you can just choose violence and pull the trigger on Strong Style because the only added drawback is the PP cost.
(Style moves cost 2pp instead of one.)
Naturally, Mastery mitigates that because of Agile Style, or you can just choose violence and pull the trigger on Strong Style because the only added drawback is the PP cost.
(Style moves cost 2pp instead of one.)
Honestly zoroark is usually so frail that it doesnt get his gimmick off more than or a few times after that. Using your illusion to nuke someone off the planet or gravely wound it might be worth running hyper beam for.
I don't think it is necessarily safe to assume the Legend Plate will lose the 20% buff given it is obviously intended to be a super plate. I do agree with your overall contention that Arceus will require some setup though -- 120 special attack is just not that impressive by Ubers standards, even with the plate boost. Marshadow manages with similar offensive stats on account of its amazing coverage, but it is reliant on a boosting item and higher BP moves to meet important KO benchmarks and I think Arceus might struggle without either being freely available.
A defensive setup set could work, but... Judgement and Calm Mind are strictly necessary and that only leaves two moveslots to deal with everything you can throw at it. Iron Defense? Recover? Substitute? Rest? It's not immediately obvious which to use. Then again, it can still force guessing games if the opponent doesn't know which specific strategy will work against it.
A defensive setup set could work, but... Judgement and Calm Mind are strictly necessary and that only leaves two moveslots to deal with everything you can throw at it. Iron Defense? Recover? Substitute? Rest? It's not immediately obvious which to use. Then again, it can still force guessing games if the opponent doesn't know which specific strategy will work against it.
In an roundabout way, a rest/sleep talk set could be a workaround for Judgement's low PP. Sleep Talk only draws PP from itself, and can still successfully execute moves with no PP left. It might even avoid Pressure since it technically self-targets.
Or this could just be me once again insisting on the most convoluted way of doing something possible
Or this could just be me once again insisting on the most convoluted way of doing something possible
surprised they didnt go for something like 250 at minimum.
No need to be dissuaded, Decidueye fans, the new Sun mechanics should circumvent its low speed in Legends Arceus!
Do we know how Cherrim will change form without its ability btw??
Do we know how Cherrim will change form without its ability btw??
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It's an interesting possibility for getting around its weakness to status. You won't always be able to attack, but that means lower speed opponents won't always know what type you'll be on their turn, which could limit their ability to capitalise on wasted turns.
it will just be innate to the pokemon. Which I'm pretty sure it was to begin with
Let's indulge in some speculation based on the pokedex numbers.
TL;DR: We're probably going to Eterna first, Oreburg Second, Pastoria third, Veilstone fourth, Sunnyshore fifth, Mt. Coronet caves sixth, Snowpoint last because who even wants early ice types anyways?
We know we're based around Jubilife, and the earliest route mons are the same as in DPPt.
With the exception of Eevee, all families up to Golem (48) can be found by heading north towards Eterna Forest, Valley Windworks, and Route 206 in DPPt. Despite this including the geodude and zubat lines, entering a cave is not required. I strongly suspect this is the direction we'll be heading first. Wyrdeer is #50, and stantler is not found in DPPt, so I expect it closes off that region.
The next few mons include most of the remaining mons from aboveground west Sinnoh, including the honey tree mons. This section also contains pikachu and Mime Jr (trophy garden in sinnoh), paras (new), and the chimchar line. The mon grouping ends at 79 with Ambipom so it might be blending slightly with the next section, as the likely Noble for this area in Kleavor is only #74
#80 is magikarp, implying we get fishing access around this time. Following it are two more water-type families: shellos and Qwilfish. After that, we get our first mon from eastern Sinnoh: the Happiny line. Roserade also appears here quite a bit later than in DPPt, likely because the first area is snowier. Happiniy indicating we crossed the mountains to the south is backed up by the next block having a swamp theme, including Carnivine, Croagunk, Tangela, and Barboach. Section ends with both the peat bog-based Ursaluna, and Goodra, number 117.
The next section leads with three rock types, and then moves on to mons from the Solaceon and Veilstone area, ruins included. In addition to the expected Gastly, Spiritomb, and Unown, this section also includes the turtwig and more noticably Porygon lines. I think this is where the time travel plot thread is starting to pick up. We get a couple more oceanic mons in Spheal and Remoraid, then caps off with Arcanine at #151, fitting for the Legendary Pokemon :P.
Next section is short, seems to indicate that it leads to Sunnyshore with mantyke and Chatot, contains piplup, and ends with Basculegion at #166. Certainly seems later than getting Surf after gym 5.
The next part is interesting. After vulpix-A and two more families of sea filler, we hit the industrial mon selection. Magnemite, bronzor, electabuzz/magmortar, and Nosepass are all here, as well as some extra mountain and cave mons in Gligar and Gible. There's a possibility that we end up heading to Canalave and Iron Island, but the mon distribution leans towards Mt. Coronet itself. Electrode is near the end of this section, at #193. However, it continues to have focus on the lower parts of the mountain with Chingling and Cleffa, so this area probably ends with #204, weavile.
As expected from Weavile's distribution in sinnoh, we have the ice area up next. Late as always... Anyway, the fossil mons are also here, and it ends off the regular mon selection with Zoroark (#220) and Braviary(#222). Lucario occurs after this, which to me implies its a gift mon.
All remaining mons are legendary, and don't provide much info on location. Title legendaries and Arceus are grouped together between the others and the mythicals, and it otherwise follows normal Dex order.
With the exception of Eevee, all families up to Golem (48) can be found by heading north towards Eterna Forest, Valley Windworks, and Route 206 in DPPt. Despite this including the geodude and zubat lines, entering a cave is not required. I strongly suspect this is the direction we'll be heading first. Wyrdeer is #50, and stantler is not found in DPPt, so I expect it closes off that region.
The next few mons include most of the remaining mons from aboveground west Sinnoh, including the honey tree mons. This section also contains pikachu and Mime Jr (trophy garden in sinnoh), paras (new), and the chimchar line. The mon grouping ends at 79 with Ambipom so it might be blending slightly with the next section, as the likely Noble for this area in Kleavor is only #74
#80 is magikarp, implying we get fishing access around this time. Following it are two more water-type families: shellos and Qwilfish. After that, we get our first mon from eastern Sinnoh: the Happiny line. Roserade also appears here quite a bit later than in DPPt, likely because the first area is snowier. Happiniy indicating we crossed the mountains to the south is backed up by the next block having a swamp theme, including Carnivine, Croagunk, Tangela, and Barboach. Section ends with both the peat bog-based Ursaluna, and Goodra, number 117.
The next section leads with three rock types, and then moves on to mons from the Solaceon and Veilstone area, ruins included. In addition to the expected Gastly, Spiritomb, and Unown, this section also includes the turtwig and more noticably Porygon lines. I think this is where the time travel plot thread is starting to pick up. We get a couple more oceanic mons in Spheal and Remoraid, then caps off with Arcanine at #151, fitting for the Legendary Pokemon :P.
Next section is short, seems to indicate that it leads to Sunnyshore with mantyke and Chatot, contains piplup, and ends with Basculegion at #166. Certainly seems later than getting Surf after gym 5.
The next part is interesting. After vulpix-A and two more families of sea filler, we hit the industrial mon selection. Magnemite, bronzor, electabuzz/magmortar, and Nosepass are all here, as well as some extra mountain and cave mons in Gligar and Gible. There's a possibility that we end up heading to Canalave and Iron Island, but the mon distribution leans towards Mt. Coronet itself. Electrode is near the end of this section, at #193. However, it continues to have focus on the lower parts of the mountain with Chingling and Cleffa, so this area probably ends with #204, weavile.
As expected from Weavile's distribution in sinnoh, we have the ice area up next. Late as always... Anyway, the fossil mons are also here, and it ends off the regular mon selection with Zoroark (#220) and Braviary(#222). Lucario occurs after this, which to me implies its a gift mon.
All remaining mons are legendary, and don't provide much info on location. Title legendaries and Arceus are grouped together between the others and the mythicals, and it otherwise follows normal Dex order.
TL;DR: We're probably going to Eterna first, Oreburg Second, Pastoria third, Veilstone fourth, Sunnyshore fifth, Mt. Coronet caves sixth, Snowpoint last because who even wants early ice types anyways?
I mean it is paper why not just go nuclear.
While horrifyingly good and having a battle theme that slaps, still can't get over the shitty modeling of Dialga's legs. Gods, so awful.
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Giratina-O's Shadow Force animation showing its red glowing claws is peak
That's Go -> Let's Go. Let's Go moves persist when transferring out, ask anyone annoyed with the prevalence of Teleport spam in SwSh OU lol
Seems more of a research than implementation issue the way you describe it. At the end of the day a turn is still a turn. And there already exist moves that prompt the player to make extra inputs mid-turn, so I suppose all bases are covered.
The Showdown battle engine is more robust and versatile than many would imagine; e.g. it even supported trading mons between sides mid-battle.
Pretty sure the question isn't "can it be implemented" but rather "how would it work".
The game doesn't have any PvP, there's no way to know how exactly certain moves, expecially environmental ones used by Nobles, would behave in a player vs player scenario.
On top of well, if it's even worth the effort to code in a special mode that noone would play anyway.
For exclusively NPC elements there is always the Eternamax treatment. A hypothetical PLA OM would be more concerned about the generic mechanics, such as styles, status conditions, and weathers imo.
That was part of what I referred with "no way to know", because the game doesn't have a way to check a player vs player interaction of stuff like styles and weather, so you'd have to work on hypoteticals.
Which I mean... you can do... but is it even worth it? Probably not.