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Panic Station said:
Here's my thought: what happens if Caff flips green and we lose our Watcher?
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FMPOV, our town rn consists of myself, you, Lrr, Heal and TBZ, with Haruno and Raichu falling somewhere just below that.

With regard to the last three (which are the only alternatives to Caff I'm willing to vote, albeit with great reluctance):
  • I gave some of my issues with Haruno earlier in the game, but at this point I'm a bit more comfortable just chalking it up to personality. His behavior since the tracker claim does away with a lot of the devil-may-care undertones that were setting me off. I also think his claimed targets are pretty consistent with the direction his game is going. That being said, the combination of a tracker and a watcher co-existing with JK in this setup feels a bit lopsided based on the two red flips we've gotten. It's also kind of hard for me to put too much stock into the roleclaim, as our more likely CCs are coming from flavorclaims here.
  • Someone else mentioned that MegaPB's game has been almost as if he were still in RVS mode, which feels like a pretty fair assessment--and while I don't love the sudden tunnel vision, I don't really view it as alignment-indicative. Feels like a pretty natural consequence of being called out for just going with the flow--if someone wanted to, though, I'm sure a case could be made for him switching gears now that there are no living partners to play around. But overall I think it's pretty consistent with the kind of content-blind voting we've gotten from him most of this game. I'll add, too, that I can't picture a team with him on it that also kills Nuxl (who was pretty settled on him being new!Town rather than new!Scum)
 
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Haruno is approximately confirmed town because Caffeine has a watch result showing dopog visited him last night, which means Haruno couldn't have performed the kill without some sort of role fuckery. Haruno and Caffeine can't both be scum since we know it's a 10/3 game
 
Panic Station said:
It would be a pretty contrived way to bump up Mewtwo's postcount.
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yeah I guess but like, they could just have that conversation in their scumchat. You even said earlier you thought he was town because he didn't normally do this as scum and it could be a way of him pretending to contribute more

idk

885+886 are interesting, might be M2H's true feelings leaking through but idk. He basically ignored the Heal case/wagon other than this

M2H's caffeine case feels super far reaching and I feel like if he was actually trying to bus a buddy he'd have a stronger case, but instead he just hammered on the "Caffeine could only do this as scum"

what's interesting here is we know now that Clar likely was telling his team who to check since M2H had the same role as him, but Caff still went "aha, Clarinet must be the role cop"

1015 town spew Caffeine? not sure, but haruno/zaroco seemed to be relatively easy at the time and M2H had been kinda shading me for liking his posts as early as D1 (something that I think scum had discussed, it pinged me because this was the only thing Clarinet had to say about me when he listed his reads).

I think the most suspicious thing about caffeine here is that M2H was pushing him super hard, but seemed kinda willing to jump ship to wagons for players he hadn't talked about at all. Like, he can write paragraphs on why Caffeine is scummy but couldn't manage a sentence on someone else. Caffeine sorta does the same thing in 1054 where he's like "I agree with TBZ that haruno is super shady, but also M2H is scum"

Also it's super fucking weird to me that Caffeine in 1155 goes "I want M2H to claim" and M2H just does it. I don't know if this is alignment indicative of Caffeine at this point, but it's just weird. Do M2H and Caffeine plan this to try to give M2H town cred? M2H has basically stopped pushing caffeine at this point too

is 1189 spew? hmmm
1194 proof of town heal? There's a couple more posts like this after where Heal has a strong gut feeling this is shady. Heal was also the most receptive to my proposition of M2H scum as deadline approached. Feels like Heal only didn't push this further because he got in a fight with Haruno so the discussion derailed

actually as I read through this, does the host give scum a watcher and doc safeclaim? Do they have safeclaims? Then again he probably doesn't give the safeclaim if the Watcher exists so this is probably a moot point

1287-1289 for M2H's reads...

Can people who know M2H better than me answer me this: His scumbuddy just got lynched D1, they NK'd a vanilla. What does he do here? Does he try to distance and bus from his other buddy? If so how? He's consistently calling Heal town and I'm inclined to believe him. It feels a lot like him trying to pocket Heal

Caffeine's posts in the like, 1324-1326 range are weird.

apparently I subconsciously took the Mega=puppy comparison from Panic and Mega made the same response to both of us, A+

why is Clarinet liking D2 posts? don't do that dude

do we think we have a tracker/watcher/jailer? You can't docjerk with jailer+watcher like you can with doc+watcher. Hmmm

Does scum Caffeine make 1533?
Does town Caffeine try to CFD onto Mega in 1541 with M2H? Especially since Panic was expressing strong interest in this lynch. This feels super fucky to me since this is right after I push for a lynch between M2H and Caffeine and M2H suddenly gets like 3 votes (me, dopog, Mega) with Heal stating the case is convincing.

man maybe schia is right
 
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