OU Porygon-Z (pseudo-analysis) [QC 2/2] [GP 1/1]

[Egor]

[OVERVIEW]
While it's true that after Z-Conversion Porygon-Z becomes a threatening sweeper, its overreliance on stat boosts from the aforementioned move, singular chance at sweeping, and reliance on a lot of support hold it back from being viable in the metagame. Furthermore, Porygon-Z's low stats, except Special Attack, mean that it's hard to find setup opportunities due to low defenses and lack of resistances, so Porygon-Z is outclassed by better setup sweepers like Zygarde and Magearna. Even after setup, Porygon-Z is still relatively easy to revenge kill with common forces like Choice Scarf Landorus-T and Ash-Greninja because Porygon-Z doesn't have priority to hit these revenge killers.

[SET]
name: Z-Conversion
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Recover
move 4: Conversion
item: Normalium Z
ability: Adaptability
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
This set attempts to use Z-Conversion at the right time and then sweep. STAB Thunderbolt after setup absolutely destroys Toxapex. Ice Beam gives Porygon-Z the best coverage possible alongside Thunderbolt. Recover gives many more opportunities to setup on lets Porygon-Z restore its HP after setting up on Pokemon like Celesteela and Assault Vest Magearna, allowing it to be left at higher HP. Porygon-Z isn't worth using, though, as it struggles to break past common defensive or just bulky Pokemon like Ferrothorn and Tyranitar, and the metagame has more consistent setup sweepers requiring less support like Magearna, Volcarona, Zygarde, and Mega Mawile due to their better movesets and typings.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Egor, 439341]]
- Quality checked by: [[Talah, 248449], [Indigo Plateau, 216712]]
- Grammar checked by: [[lotiasite, 302985]]

 

[Egor]

Ok, I think it's ready for qc.

 

[david0895]

Shouldn't Thunderbolt be the first, so Porygon-Z can OHKO Toxapex after the boost?

+1 252 SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Toxapex: 340-404 (112.2 - 133.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[Sabbio]

doesn't worth using

Isn't it "isn't worth using"? Also, I think that more or even more common examples of good set up sweepers might be made.

 

[talah]

[OVERVIEW]

change the last section ("Furthermore...") to explaining how it's frail & relatively slow before & after boosts, meaning it has trouble finding good opportunities to freely setup and even after setting up it still relatively easy to revenge kill with v common presences in the tier like Scarf Lando and Specs Gren.

[SET]

change it to this

Porygon-Z @ Normalium Z
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Conversion

[SET COMMENTS]

stab tbolt means u completely destroy toxapex which would otherwise be able to just stop u through hazing ur only setup opportunity, beam is the best possible coverage alongside tbolt, recover makes it so u have wayyy more opportunities to setup such as Zapdos, Koko and even Celesteela since ur no longer left at very low health. say how it still struggles to break through common defensive mons like ferrothorn & tyranitar and how it struggles to compete with other, better setup sweepers such as Volcarona, M-Mawile & Zygarde.

1/1

 

[Egor]

Isn't it "isn't worth using"?

My english is bad, sorry :/

[OVERVIEW]

change the last section ("Furthermore...") to explaining how it's frail & relatively slow before & after boosts, meaning it has trouble finding good opportunities to freely setup and even after setting up it still relatively easy to revenge kill with v common presences in the tier like Scarf Lando and Specs Gren.

[SET]

change it to this

Porygon-Z @ Normalium Z
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Conversion

[SET COMMENTS]

stab tbolt means u completely destroy toxapex which would otherwise be able to just stop u through hazing ur only setup opportunity, beam is the best possible coverage alongside tbolt, recover makes it so u have wayyy more opportunities to setup such as Zapdos, Koko and even Celesteela since ur no longer left at very low health. say how it still struggles to break through common defensive mons like ferrothorn & tyranitar and how it struggles to compete with other, better setup sweepers such as Volcarona, M-Mawile & Zygarde.

1/1

Implemented, ready for the second check.

 

[Indigo Plateau]

[OVERVIEW]
While it's true that after Z-Conversion Porygon-Z becomes a threatening sweeper, its overreliance on stat boosts from aforementioned move, only one setup opportunity, and requiring a lot of support hold it back from being viable in the metagame. Furthermore, Porygon-Z's low stats, except Special Attack, mean that it's hard to find setup opportunities due to low defenses and Speed, (a lot of setup sweepers in OU have less than 90 base Speed - change this to "low defenses and lack of resistances); then, finish this sentence by saying that it's outclassed by better setup sweepers like Magearna and Zygarde and make the next point about being easy to revenge kill a new sentence) and even after setup Porygon-Z is still relatively easy to revenge kill with common forces like Choice Scarf Landorus-T. (Add priority from Ash-Greninja here and also state that Porygon-Z doesn't have priority to hit these revenge killers)

[SET]
name: Z-Conversion
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Recover
move 4: Conversion
item: Normalium Z
ability: Adaptability
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
This set attempts to suck use Z-Conversion at the right time and then sweep. STAB Thunderbolt after setup absolutely destroys Toxapex. Ice Beam gives Porygon-Z a BoltBeam coverage. (emphasize "best coverage possible alongside Thunderbolt" like talah mentioned) Recover gives much more opportunities to setup, and Porygon-Z won't left at very low HP. (add that it lets you restore your health after setting up on Pokemon like Celesteela + another example like AV Magearna / Zapdos like talah mentioned) Porygon-Z isn't worth using, though, as it struggles to break past common defensive or just bulky Pokemon like Ferrothorn and Tyranitar, and metagame has more consistent setup sweepers requiring less support like Volcarona, Zygarde, and Mega Mawile (due to their better movesets and/or typing).

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Egor, 439341]]
- Quality checked by: [[Eternam, 248449], [<username2>, <userid2>]]
- Grammar checked by: [[<username1>, <userid1>]]

check is inside the reply, so make sure you open it
QC 2/2

 

[Egor]

check is inside the reply, so make sure you open it
QC 2/2

Implemented. Ready for gp.

 

[lotiasite]

GP 1/1

check

[OVERVIEW]
While it's true that after Z-Conversion Porygon-Z becomes a threatening sweeper, its overreliance on stat boosts from the aforementioned move, only onlack of more setup opportunity, and requiringies (this sounds a bit weird, since you talk about setup opportunities later. i think what you mean is that it only gets one chance to sweep, and if that is what you mean, say "singular chance at sweeping"), and reliance on a lot of support hold it back from being viable in the metagame. Furthermore, Porygon-Z's low stats, except Special Attack, mean that it's hard to find setup opportunities due to low defenses and lack of resistances, so Porygon-Z is outclassed by better setup sweepers like Zygarde and Magearna. Even after setup, (AC) Porygon-Z is still relatively easy to revenge kill with common forces like Choice Scarf Landorus-T and Ash-Greninja because Porygon-Z doesn't have priority to hit these revenge killers.

[SET]
name: Z-Conversion
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Recover
move 4: Conversion
item: Normalium Z
ability: Adaptability
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
This set attempts to use Z-Conversion at the right time and then sweep. STAB Thunderbolt after setup absolutely destroys Toxapex. Ice Beam gives Porygon-Z the best coverage possible alongside Thunderbolt. Recover gives much more opportunities to setup, and Porygon-Z won't left at very low HP. Recover alsoany more opportunities to setup on lets Porygon-Z to restore its HP after setting up on Pokemon like Celesteela and Assault Vest Magearna, allowing it to be left at higher HP. Porygon-Z isn't worth using, though, as it struggles to break past common defensive or just bulky Pokemon like Ferrothorn and Tyranitar, and the metagame has more consistent setup sweepers requiring less support like Magearna, Volcarona, Zygarde, and Mega Mawile due to their better movesets and/or typings.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Egor, 439341]]
- Quality checked by: [[Eternam, 248449], [Indigo Plateau, 216712]]
- Grammar checked by: [[<username1>, <userid1>]]lotiasite, 302985]]

also eternam is talah now so make sure you change that

 

[Egor]

GP 1/1

check

[OVERVIEW]
While it's true that after Z-Conversion Porygon-Z becomes a threatening sweeper, its overreliance on stat boosts from the aforementioned move, only onlack of more setup opportunity, and requiringies (this sounds a bit weird, since you talk about setup opportunities later. i think what you mean is that it only gets one chance to sweep, and if that is what you mean, say "singular chance at sweeping"), and reliance on a lot of support hold it back from being viable in the metagame. Furthermore, Porygon-Z's low stats, except Special Attack, mean that it's hard to find setup opportunities due to low defenses and lack of resistances, so Porygon-Z is outclassed by better setup sweepers like Zygarde and Magearna. Even after setup, (AC) Porygon-Z is still relatively easy to revenge kill with common forces like Choice Scarf Landorus-T and Ash-Greninja because Porygon-Z doesn't have priority to hit these revenge killers.

[SET]
name: Z-Conversion
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Recover
move 4: Conversion
item: Normalium Z
ability: Adaptability
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
This set attempts to use Z-Conversion at the right time and then sweep. STAB Thunderbolt after setup absolutely destroys Toxapex. Ice Beam gives Porygon-Z the best coverage possible alongside Thunderbolt. Recover gives much more opportunities to setup, and Porygon-Z won't left at very low HP. Recover alsoany more opportunities to setup on lets Porygon-Z to restore its HP after setting up on Pokemon like Celesteela and Assault Vest Magearna, allowing it to be left at higher HP. Porygon-Z isn't worth using, though, as it struggles to break past common defensive or just bulky Pokemon like Ferrothorn and Tyranitar, and the metagame has more consistent setup sweepers requiring less support like Magearna, Volcarona, Zygarde, and Mega Mawile due to their better movesets and/or typings.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Egor, 439341]]
- Quality checked by: [[Eternam, 248449], [Indigo Plateau, 216712]]
- Grammar checked by: [[<username1>, <userid1>]]lotiasite, 302985]]

also eternam is talah now so make sure you change that

Did it. Analysis is ready to upload.

 

[Gary]

Just because I'm uploading these doesn't mean ya'll shit mon fan boys need to PM me saying how terrible we are for denouncing your favorite meme of the month.

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