Project PU Victim of the Week! Finished

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Winners

Checks

UserPokemonSet
Choice Scarf (8 votes)
Curse RestTalk (6 votes)

Counters

UserPokemonSet
Defensive Pivot (8 votes)
Katy
Bulky Attacker (7 votes)

I know this isn't the AOA set with a Silk Scarf but this one can still be deadly and I am speaking from experience, but i digress. Great submissions and voting from all of you. I expect nothing less from you guys and girls.

Honorable mentions:

Checks
Primeape - 8
Regirock - 6
Lycanroc - 5
Sableye - 1
Lurantis - 0

Counters
Tangela - 8
Gurdurr - 7
Mudsdale - 5
Mawile - 0
Qwilfish - 0




Week 8
The mon to dispose of this time is...........

Musharna @ Colbur Berry
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpA
Bold Nature
- Psyshock
- Dazzling Gleam
- Calm Mind
- Moonlight / Healing Wish

I went a little unconventional this time with Musharna. Since Mesprit left, the meta has been looking for its next closest replacement. While Musharna has the physical bulk, coverage moves, ability to check Gurdurr, Primeape, and Hitmonchan, and utility moves in Calm Mind and Healing Wish, it will never live up to Mesprit's legacy. However, it can be very good in the right situations. Have fun with this one guys!

Condition:
At +1 SpA, SpD
 

Sandslash-Alola @ Leftovers
Ability: Slush Rush
EVs: 252 HP / 208 SpD / 48 Spe
Careful Nature
- Icicle Crash
- Earthquake
- Toxic
- Rapid Spin

Snowslash is a nice counter to Musharna as it can cripple it with Toxic while ignoring Synchronize. It also shrugs off both of Musharnas attacks. Especially without Leftovers it’s worn down very quickly while Snowslash can just wear it down with Icicle Crash.

+1 8 SpA Musharna Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Sandslash-Alola: 59-70 (16.6 - 19.7%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery
+6 8 SpA Musharna Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Sandslash-Alola: 156-185 (44 - 52.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Sandslash-Alola Icicle Crash vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Musharna: 75-88 (17.2 - 20.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after toxic damage
 
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Clefairy @ Eviolite
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Encore
- Seismic Toss
- Soft-Boiled
- Toxic

A switch-up to something unorthodox makes this one a counter to Musharna. It can easily withstand a +1 of either Psyshock or Dazzling Gleam. Whether Musharna wants to just keep damaging it or set up some more, Encore will ensure they stay locked into that move. Toxic can be swapped out with Stealth Rock, but I had it there for the fact that Toxic into Synchronize will keep Clefairy from getting buggered by something else that can cause paralysis, freeze, or sleep. Also, bonus points for being one of the only non-steel types to counter it, maybe?

+1 8 SpA Musharna Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Eviolite Clefairy: 111-132 (32.2 - 38.3%)
+1 8 SpA Musharna Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 0+ SpD Eviolite Clefairy: 80-95 (23.2 - 27.6%)
 
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Katy

Banned deucer.
probopass

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Probopass @ Leftovers
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 172 HP / 252 SpA / 84 Spe
Modest Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Flash Cannon
- Hidden Power Fire
- Toxic

Probopass is a counter because it resists both of Musharnas Attacks as Probopass is part Steel and Probopass can use Toxic to wear down Musharna in the long run or can proceed to set Stealth Rocks
up as Musharna won't stay in on Probopass as Probopass is unbreakable for Musharna and Musharna can't 1v1 Probopass in the long run, instead Probopass can Toxic Musharna and whittle it down and can
Attack with its STAB Flash Cannon to speedup the process of killing Musharna.

Calcs:
252+ SpA Probopass Flash Cannon vs. +1 248 HP / 0 SpD Musharna: 70-84 (16 - 19.3%) -- possible 5HKO after Stealth Rock
8 SpA Musharna Psyshock vs. 172 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 33-39 (10.8 - 12.8%) -- possibly the worst move ever
8 SpA Musharna Dazzling Gleam vs. 172 HP / 0 SpD Probopass: 22-26 (7.2 - 8.5%) -- possibly the worst move ever
+1 8 SpA Musharna Psyshock vs. 172 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 50-59 (16.4 - 19.4%) -- possible 7HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+1 8 SpA Musharna Dazzling Gleam vs. 172 HP / 0 SpD Probopass: 32-38 (10.5 - 12.5%) -- possibly the worst move ever
+2 8 SpA Musharna Psyshock vs. 172 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 66-78 (21.7 - 25.6%) -- possible 5HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+2 8 SpA Musharna Dazzling Gleam vs. 172 HP / 0 SpD Probopass: 43-51 (14.1 - 16.7%) -- possible 9HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
 
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Inspired by Oathkeepre literally posting it in his last post as an honourable Kangaskhan check, I'm nominating Metang here as a counter to Musharna.


Metang @ Eviolite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Atk / 80 Def
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake
- Toxic
+6 8 SpA Musharna Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 80 Def Eviolite Metang: 56-66 (17.2 - 20.3%)
+6 8 SpA Musharna Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Metang: 98-116 (30.2 - 35.8%)

And this is at +6. It's safe to say that Metang can switch into this thing repeatedly, cripple it with Toxic (if it doesn't switch) and slowly begin to whittle at it with Meteor Mash.
176+ Atk Metang Meteor Mash vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Musharna: 84-99 (19.3 - 22.7%)
While it's not too relevant to the set Oath posted, it's worth noting that Metang also does not care about Barrier or Fairium Z sets.
 
Pinsir @ Life Orb
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- X-Scissor
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge

Pinsir beats Musharna with a +2 X-Scissor.
Earthquake and Stone Edge hits pokemon like Probopass and Swanna super-effectively.
 

Squash

UTA Overlord
Reserving ferrossed

Ferroseed @ Eviolite
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Leech Seed
- Stealth Rock
- Protect
- Gyro Ball

Musharna at +6 in SpAtk can’t kill ferro, and he can PP stall the moonlight with leech seed + tect + gyro ball. It’s definitely a very good counter to musharna
(Sry can’t show calc cause I write this post on phone :blobsad:)

Edit : +6 8 SpA Musharna Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Ferroseed: 93-111 (31.8 - 38%) -- 94.3% chance to 3HKO

Thanks to jonago for send me the calc !
 
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Reserving Unaware Quagsire as a counter

Quagsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Waterfall
- Curse
- Recover​

Quagsire acts as a counter to Musharna. Unaware lets it ignore Musharna's boosts from Calm Mind. And it just naturally takes it's moves really comfortably. Curse allows it to start boosting up, while Recover keeps it healthy. With enough boosts it can break through Musharna. Pretty self-explanatory, nothing interesting here. Remember that EQ even at +6 can't OHKO Musharna tho. And watch out for Energy Ball!
8 SpA Musharna Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 75-88 (19 - 22.3%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
8 SpA Musharna Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Quagsire: 88-104 (22.3 - 26.3%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

4 Atk Quagsire Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Musharna: 76-90 (17.4 - 20.6%) -- possible 5HKO
+6 4 Atk Quagsire Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Musharna: 301-355 (69.1 - 81.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
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please do not hate Scyther :c
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Scyther @ Eviolite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Bug Bite
- Aerial Ace
- Roost​

The calcs on Musharna vs Eviolite Scyther are interesting. Scyther is able to tank many from Musharna's hits - even boosted ones. Since there is no Stored Power, Psyshock should be Musharna's strongest attack due to it being STAB. But when looking at the calcs for that, you notice, that even at +2 you won't be able to 2HKO Scyther reliably! That allows Scyther to come in even on a second Calm Mind and then follow up with an SD into two Bug Bites.
If Stealth Rocks are up, it's not that easy to defeat Musharna with Scyther, since you have to use a turn to roost which would give Musharna an opportunity to setup even further. To be precise: On the turn Scyther switches in, Musharna gets, in worst case, a second CM. Then, Scyther has to Roost while Musharna gets its third CM. Now Scyther can't be considered a counter anymore, because Musharna 2HKOs Scyther with Psyshock. So, a nice check we got here!

Thanks Oathkeepre for reminding me to do my post.:psyglad:
 

Drifblim @ Flame Orb
Ability: Flare Boost
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hex
- Calm Mind
- Air Cutter
- Will-O-Wisp

Submitting this glorious Drifblim set as a check to Musharna. Flame Orb combined with Flare Boost allows you to boost your Special Attack after a turn, during which you can use Will-O-Wisp to get the Hex boost. This results in a huge 3x multiplier for the b i g d a m a g e . However this set is not a counter as it cannot reliably switch into Psyshock after rocks.

252+ SpA Flare Boost Drifblim Hex (130 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Musharna: 566-668 (130.1 - 153.5%) -- pew pew
 

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Raticate-Alola @ Normalium Z
Ability: Hustle
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Double-Edge
- Knock Off
- Sucker Punch
- Swords Dance

Offensive check. If Alolacate can risk coming in on a Psyshock or safely coming in, it can SD on its first turn, take a Dazzling Gleam even at +1:

+1 8 SpA Musharna Dazzling Gleam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Raticate-Alola: 220-260 (75.6 - 89.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

and then Z-Double Edge on the next turn and bye bye Mushy:

+2 252 Atk Hustle Raticate-Alola Breakneck Blitz (190 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Musharna: 501-589 (115.1 - 135.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Checks
UserPokemonSet
jonago
Swords Dance

Counters

Vote for 2 checks AND 2 counters!

Checks: jonago's Scyther, Sir Pin's Drifblim
Counters: TTK's Aggron, uhuhuhu7's Metang
 
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