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[Kid Icarus]

I guess what Bolt is trying to say is that since Scizor only has Pursuit and U-Turn to work with, it really doesn't gain much with sweeping potential. SD gives so much sweeping power, but you're using it only for landing one big hit, then the boosts are lost. Since the Scizor has more of a utility niche with that moveset, some people might think another support move would be more beneficial.

As for Suicune, Substitute isn't the best idea, as it drains Suicune of spare HP, and it needs the HP to maintain its bulkiness. That's why most Suicune sets use Rest, to avoid status. SleepTalk or Crocune sets work fairly well. You could use Sub if you want, but like other people think, it may not be the best option. And it's not like a sub will completely protect you from a switch-in counter. If it's a true counter, you'll have to retreat Suicune sooner or later.

 

[Eternal]

I guess what Bolt is trying to say is that since Scizor only has Pursuit and U-Turn to work with, it really doesn't gain much with sweeping potential. SD gives so much sweeping power, but you're using it only for landing one big hit, then the boosts are lost. Since the Scizor has more of a utility niche with that moveset, some people might think another support move would be more beneficial.

As for Suicune, Substitute isn't the best idea, as it drains Suicune of spare HP, and it needs the HP to maintain its bulkiness. That's why most Suicune sets use Rest, to avoid status. SleepTalk or Crocune sets work fairly well. You could use Sub if you want, but like other people think, it may not be the best option. And it's not like a sub will completely protect you from a switch-in counter. If it's a true counter, you'll have to retreat Suicune sooner or later.

As I'll state again. The purpose for Scizor isn't for sweeping. It has SD to maintain power with its bulkiness to not get walled by something like Cresselia.

For Suicune, it would most likely retreat to Celebi, which U-Turn from Scizor is there.

 

[Kid Icarus]

If Scizor isn't supposed to sweep, what's the point of even using SD? If it wasn't meant to sweep, then it shouldn't be worried about getting walled by anything. I think that's why most people are suggesting something like Light Screen, since you're saying you don't want to sweep. If the main objective for Scizor is to counter certain threats, and provide easy switching for other Pokemon, then why waste a moveslot with Swords Dance and exchange it for a move that can add to the support?

I just find it weird that you say you don't want to sweep with Scizor, yet you give it a move (SD) that's for sweeping, clearly for the intention of sweeping away a certain wall (Cresselia).

 

[Eternal]

If Scizor isn't supposed to sweep, what's the point of even using SD? If it wasn't meant to sweep, then it shouldn't be worried about getting walled by anything. I think that's why most people are suggesting something like Light Screen, since you're saying you don't want to sweep. If the main objective for Scizor is to counter certain threats, and provide easy switching for other Pokemon, then why waste a moveslot with Swords Dance and exchange it for a move that can add to the support?

I just find it weird that you say you don't want to sweep with Scizor, yet you give it a move (SD) that's for sweeping, clearly for the intention of sweeping away a certain wall (Cresselia).

C'mon man, read correctly. The purpose for Scizor isn't for sweeping. It has SD to maintain power with its bulkiness to not get walled by something like Cresselia. Light Screen isn't a way to solve that problem. SD is to maintain its power, even if I use it to lose the power by using U-Turn.

If you don't get the logic of this, I don't want to go through every details to explain it to you. So please don't post since I don't want any explanations about Scizor.

 

[Raquan95]

Scizor will never be walled by Cress end of discussion. If you're so paranoid give it X-Scissor.

 

[Kid Icarus]

Sigh, alright it's your thread so I won't expand on it.

Gengar has Focus Punch as a possible option. Focus Blast has low accuracy, and since you'll be abusing Substitute, Focus Punch remains as a reliable option. It also scares Blissey who would no doubt be a common switch-in. A switch in nature is good if you plan on going down this path.

If you really want to screw with Bronzong, and take down Blissey and Cresselia which will switch in on Heatran, Taunt could go over Roar. Of course, EQ from Bronzong is a risk. Blissey and Cress however get beaten pretty easily by Taunt Heatran. Blissey switches in, you Taunt, and you switch without the worry of T-Wave. Cress can't break Heatran even if it does stay in on the Taunt. If you want Roar too, Suicune could fill that role. Lava Plume is also a good move in tandem with Taunt to block their movepool, and make them worry of a burn.

 

[Pocket]

Yea, I also agree that Scizor is much useful when it comes to dispatching Gengar and Deoxys-E. The key advantage over Metagross is resistance to Shadow Ball (meaning that Gengar has to resort to Focus Punch or 70% accurate Focus Blast) and somewhat Technician Pursuit. Not to mention the utility of Uturn and not getting walled by Celebi. Metagross has Explosion, but one would want his / her Deoxys-E counter to persist throughout the game to prevent its end-game sweep.

I also have no qualms with Swords Dance. It's there to beat stuff like Spiritomb and Cresselia that would otherwise just sit there until Scizor is out of gas. A harder punch on Technician Pursuit and U Turn when it's time to get out doesn't seem like a bad idea either. Since Uturn would bring in the appropriate counter, the enemy's Pokemon has no chance of recovering that boosted Uturn's damage.

As for Heatran's Fire dilemma, Great Sage and TAY pretty much said it. 95 and 100 base power is IDENTICAL in power (you won't be OHKOing something with Heat Wave that Flamethrower can't) whereas the 10% accuracy difference is very significant. Additionally, as TAY mentioned, seeing the offensive nature of this team, you shouldn't be worried about running out of Fire Blast PP. Instead, preserve them by predicting Water / Cress / Blissey switch-ins and just Roar them out and do SR damage. If you still want PP and accuracy, then why contend with Heat Wave, which has only 16 PP compared to 25 PP and 90% accuracy compared to 100% accuracy of FT? If Flamethrower didn't cut it for you, neither would Heat Wave.

 

[Eternal]

Yea, I also agree that Scizor is much useful when it comes to dispatching Gengar and Deoxys-E. The key advantage over Metagross is resistance to Shadow Ball (meaning that Gengar has to resort to Focus Punch or 70% accurate Focus Blast) and somewhat Technician Pursuit. Not to mention the utility of Uturn and not getting walled by Celebi. Metagross has Explosion, but one would want his / her Deoxys-E counter to persist throughout the game to prevent its end-game sweep.

I also have no qualms with Swords Dance. It's there to beat stuff like Spiritomb and Cresselia that would otherwise just sit there until Scizor is out of gas. A harder punch on Technician Pursuit and U Turn when it's time to get out doesn't seem like a bad idea either. Since Uturn would bring in the appropriate counter, the enemy's Pokemon has no chance of recovering that boosted Uturn's damage.

As for Heatran's Fire dilemma, Great Sage and TAY pretty much said it. 95 and 100 base power is IDENTICAL in power (you won't be OHKOing something with Heat Wave that Flamethrower can't) whereas the 10% accuracy difference is very significant. Additionally, as TAY mentioned, seeing the offensive nature of this team, you shouldn't be worried about running out of Fire Blast PP. Instead, preserve them by predicting Water / Cress / Blissey switch-ins and just Roar them out and do SR damage. If you still want PP and accuracy, then why contend with Heat Wave, which has only 16 PP compared to 25 PP and 90% accuracy compared to 100% accuracy of FT? If Flamethrower didn't cut it for you, neither would Heat Wave.

Yes, I agree with you.