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Tournaments RBYOMPL Format Discussion

There was a OM team tournament that was current Gen stuff but also had Orre Colosseum (Gen 3 VGC) as one of the formats and it was a pretty fun way of mingling an old gen Nintendo format community with the Smogon community and I think including NC97 would be a cool way to do that here, but with greater impact. There ended up being some people from each community introduced to other formats and that was cool, but I think a lot of the time it was only one or two players on a team practicing with those specifically drafted for Orre. With this all being Gen 1 stuff there wouldn't be the barrier of current gen Smogon players not knowing old gen mechanics and vice versa while anyone drafted for NC97 should also be able to know enough to help others on the team practice other formats and vice versa.

So I think that it would be pretty cool to have a Nintendo format and NC97 seems like the best pick since Teh just ran a pretty good tournament for it that has already sparked some overlap between communities.
 
SU definitely has a pool of people who would sign up exclusively for the RBY SU slot without much strain considering the community and interest overlaps with ZU. RBY SU Open had a solid turnout, and there's a ton of passion for this tier within the SU community, like sleid, gerrychu, and gastlies all mentioned. If I were to sign up for this tour, I'd be doing it for SU.

There's anticipation for a new RBY ZU VL at this point in time, which we plan to use to update the SU tierlist. Since Magneton's ban in April 2024, there's only been two non-Pokemon bans: Confuse Ray and partial trapping. We've had a pretty stable tierlist since Magneton's ban for the most part, as the other bans have only removed elements related to cheese. When tier shifts happen, most of what we've built over the last year won't be usable anymore, especially if tier-critical Pokemon like Muk rise. For reference, the last tier shift in April of last year took staples like Weezing, Rhyhorn, Wartortle, and Ponyta. We're also anticipating more drops than rises given ZU is on the larger side for a lower tier at 21 Pokemon, 6 of them being new Pokemon. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of SU players are going to need extra support for testing when the tier is going to be very fresh. This upcoming upheaval should be something to consider for inclusion, drafting, and team organization.

The SU community also independently hosts tours in the SU Discord, and OMPL is pretty certain to overlap with the RBY SU Seasonal that we're planning on using to observe the new metagame. A forum team tour is more likely to get attention, but my concern is that splitting attention between a forum and Discord tour may create strain on some players, and that transfers to the rest of the teams and the tournament. Given some of the issues with the upcoming tierlist change and planned Discord tour, I can understand torkon's perspective of RBY SU not being a clear-cut addition for this tour. I don't know if fatigue and newness are a huge problems though, as I mentioned above that there's a good collection of very passionate SU players.

I hate to tier bash, but I'm in agreement with gastlies on 7U. 7U doesn't have the same kind of consistent interest, base, and support that SU has.

Not sure how I feel about bo5 for SU. I understand the case for it if ZU is bo5, but we've usually kept it to bo3 in all the individual tours we've done to this point. From what I've described about the upcoming changes to the tierlist, this could go either way of fatiguing people into creating a lot of teams for a week or compensating for the lack of player and builder experience with the new tierlist. No one within the SU community has really made a big case for bo5 in our tours either.

I'm really happy to see SU up for consideration in a forum tour. Big thanks to the RBY community for your support! :rb/clefairy:
 
As someone that has deep dived in to Stadium Rentals for things like Speedruns and such, I had no idea it was an option as a tier.

Will also say that while me and a few others have looked at RBY LC, it really needs some solidified rules to be included in a tour such as this. I have no doubt it would be popular but there is a severe under exploration of legality and implementation if it includes tradebacks, and a severe lack of legal Pokemon if it doesn't. As it stands the half/half that works on PS is frustrating to manage in the builder hence why people would want to play lvl 100 LC.

I would love to see relatively easy entry tiers be explored in such a tournament and would definitely want to get involved with fringe tier communities, but they need to have at least some of oversight if not already very easy to implement and manage.
 
Brammi said:
Will also say that while me and a few others have looked at RBY LC, it really needs some solidified rules to be included in a tour such as this. I have no doubt it would be popular but there is a severe under exploration of legality and implementation if it includes tradebacks, and a severe lack of legal Pokemon if it doesn't. As it stands the half/half that works on PS is frustrating to manage in the builder hence why people would want to play lvl 100 LC.
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Not sure what this is about, we already have a ruleset and there are no issues with move/mon legality at level 5. We already have run a tournament of this, too, with around 90 players.
 
You can't build it because it's not implemented.
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You get errors everywhere bc it's not a standardised tier buildable on PS.
Even in tradebacks it still flags the level up moves breedable by parents.
 
Brammi said:
You can't build it because it's not implemented.
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You get errors everywhere bc it's not a standardised tier buildable on PS.
Even in tradebacks it still flags the level up moves breedable by parents.
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Yes and exactly none of this is a real issue and is easily circumvented with a challenge code, because there are no move or pokemon incompatibilities that are difficult to understand - all unevolved + evolvable pokemon are legal and the only moves you can’t use are banned moves, there are no unobtainable moves or illegal move combinations. Again we ran a tournament with zero issues with any of this
 
I am in full support to the tiers where communities are thriving.
Su, Zu and Nc97 have a strong community as far as I know.

I am in full support to giving other tiers some spot light.

I will be obstinate and say that LITTLE CUP LEVEL 100 is slightly more fun (in my opinion) than LEVEL 5. It is quick, fast paced, versatile and in all actuality quite balanced.

If my voiced matter, I would litterally promote
Little Cup (L: 100) over all other tiers.
 
I love playing in most of those niche formats and I would personally lean to the following tiers :
- RBY ZU
- RBY Tradebacks
- RBY STABMons
- RBY 1v1
- RBY Little Cup
- Flex tier (I don't really know, maybe Modern Gen I which is kinda original I guess)
 
As a representative for SU, here is why I think it should be included for RBY OMPL:
SU has recieved a sizeable player base in its recent forum tour, boasting 32 signups. There is a regular playerbase of over a dozen potential players, and it is looking like the potential Discord tour is receiving 16+ signups. Furthermore, there would be plenty of people outside of ZU who would be interested in SU. Players such as Sleid, Gerrychu, and Lillith would all be solid representatives of SU while having the ability to provide quality games for everyone to witness.

My proposed 6 tiers:
RBY ZU
RBY SU
RBY LC
Stadium OU
NC 1997
RBY 1v1 (bo7)

As a member of the LC community as well as SU, I believe Little Cup deserves some representation as it has one of the more active communities suggested and it has a lot of potential to produce quality games. Stadium OU and the slightly altered mechanics compared to standard OU brings upon a lot of really exciting options such as Persian and Kangaskan seeing greater value. RBY 1v1 best fits as a bo7 over a bo5 as that is the general format for 1v1 and with the fast paced nature of such games and the luck heavy aspects towards the tier, a bo7 makes sense to reduce such possibilities (I'm not experienced in Stadium OU/RBY 1v1 so take my comments with a grain of salt, but they have great communities and I would love to see them be represented in a team tour like this)

Going back to my initial point, SU holds a special place in my heart as it is where I've first took a leap into competitive Pokemon, and I would love to see it get some form of team tournament representation on Smogon. Regardless if it gets in or not, I believe this will be a thrilling team tour and I can't wait to get involved!
 
Howdy! Thank you to everyone who participated in this thread and completed the survey. After careful consideration, this will be the lineup of tiers for RBYOMPL:
RBY 1v1 (best-of-7)
RBY Little Cup (best-of-3)
Nintendo Cup 1997 (best-of-3, team preview, no changing teams within a set)
RBY STABmons OU (best-of-3)
Stadium OU (best-of-3, team preview)
RBY SU (best-of-3)

I hope this lineup is satisfactory to the RBY Community. I really wish we had the numbers to include eight or even more tiers, but I believe this is the most that we can sensibly justify. I expect a few questions about this lineup.

RBY 7U, Modern Generation I, and RBY Tradebacks OU simply did not have the numbers to justify their inclusion. Based on survey results, it seemed they would all struggle to field the six required players.

RBY ZU was the hardest to cut, but I ultimately decided against my initial judgement because ZU is already seeing a significant amount of support with regular individual and team tournaments, in addition to inclusion in the RBY Grand Slam. I wanted to give the open slot to a tier that I think needed the opportunity more. Moreover, the list of players interested in the tier had considerable overlap with those looking to play SU. I sincerely hope that ZU players looking to participate in the tournament will take up slots in SU, as well as look into the other tiers. I promise they're great and you might enjoy giving them a shot. We're still happy to have you.

I hope this decision finds you all well. You can expect manager signups for RBYOMPL to go up tomorrow evening and player signups to go up within about a week after that.

Cheers!
 
Volk said:
RBY ZU was the hardest to cut, but I ultimately decided against my initial judgement because ZU is already seeing a significant amount of support with regular individual and team tournaments, in addition to inclusion in the RBY Grand Slam. I wanted to give the open slot to a tier that I think needed the opportunity more. Moreover, the list of players interested in the tier had considerable overlap with those looking to play SU. I sincerely hope that ZU players looking to participate in the tournament will take up slots in SU, as well as look into the other tiers. I promise they're great and you might enjoy giving them a shot. We're still happy to have you.
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I'm quite confused by this reasoning. The only ZU teamtour featuring RBY ZU to my knowledge is ZUOL, a tournament hosted and maintained by the ZU community. The inclusion to RBY Grand Slam is also still in discussion and it hasn't been part of it in previous years as far as I know. I'm always happy to include the RBY community to ZU tournaments when possible and that's why we added RBY ZU to one of our team tournaments, and I'm disappointed to see that when given the opportunity to reciprocate the RBY community prefers to include SU, a format not even supported on the site, and leaving ZU as the only lower tier without a spot in a RBY forum team tournament.
 
PKMN Master™ said:
I find that stats are too close together for L:5
damage output becomes far to similar snd detrimental.
Why not do L: 100?
Why specifically L:5?
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Because Little Cup is traditionally played at level 5, you could say the same thing about any future LC. Why not play at level 100 so the game's slower?

Tuthur said:
I'm quite confused by this reasoning. The only ZU teamtour featuring RBY ZU to my knowledge is ZUOL, a tournament hosted and maintained by the ZU community. The inclusion to RBY Grand Slam is also still in discussion and it hasn't been part of it in previous years as far as I know. I'm always happy to include the RBY community to ZU tournaments when possible and that's why we added RBY ZU to one of our team tournaments, and I'm disappointed to see that when given the opportunity to reciprocate the RBY community prefers to include SU, a format not even supported on the site, and leaving ZU as the only lower tier without a spot in a RBY forum team tournament.
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ZU inclusion in slam is looking likely and I'm going to keep pushing for it in RBYPL in the future, but to be frank and with no offense intended I don't imagine RBYOMPL being a super regular occurrence with a ton of entrants so I'd rather not hold it up as the standard for inclusion for ZU when RBYPL is right there and very achievable. There has only ever been one RBY forum teamtour until recently when World Cup, an OU-only tour, got added, so there's only ever even been one tour to include it in; I'd rather keep working toward what feels like an inevitable eventual inclusion than throw it in with Other Metagames when it's just a regular tier that has support on Smogon.
 
torkonpeter said:
the level 5 comes from stadium 2 mini cup the predecesor of litle cup and they likely picked level 5 as in gsc eggs hatch at level 5
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Stadium 2, huh?
I am now more convinced not to have RBY use L:5

Furthermore, I follow cartridge as much as I can so, these Mons are now all glitch mons.

(yeah, yeah, I know, the Dvs are not meant to be perfect in rby cartidge, but then again, I simply call Rby Ou …. tradebacks with Rby legal movesets in my own heart and mind).
 
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