With almost 20 established OU players in the pool (bee, amaranth, g7, sceptross, maris, river, laroxyl, vileman, bd, narwhal, gsg, rozes, ctown, serpi, spies, isza, lnumbers, chuva, kaz), many of which are Invitational participants, having two BO5 OU slots looks like a really powerful way to make this tour even more stellar
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Tournaments RBYPL VI - Commencement
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Even this late I'd personally be keen, I considered pushing for it in Format Discussion, and we definitely have the signups for it. From my estimate at current signups, there's ~20 established / solid RBYers willing to to do it
EDIT: Lol spies sniped me on it, his list is very similar to mine.
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With almost 2 established NU players in the pool (amaranth, tree69420), many of which are grand slam participants, having BO5 NU slots looks like a really powerful way to make this tour even more stellar
Just for fun I will be running an RBYPL VI bingo! To play simply join the bingo here, generate a card, and play along!
The prize:
I will draw you one shitty MSpaint Generation 1 Pokemon! If I'm feeling nice I may extend this to "a Pokemon in general." Examples of my past bad drawings are at the bottom of this post.
The rules:
1. Any line of 5 consecutive squares horizontally, vertically, or diagonally is a winner. First person to claim a win on forums or discord wins the prize!
2. Please save any relevant links to replays, forum posts, etc. to provide context for squares.
3. For any subjective squares, feel free to ask me on Discord what counts.
4. This is a silly game with a silly prize, please don't cheat or be a jerk about it.
5. You do not have to be in RBYPL to play - you just have to be a user in good community standing (not banned from RBYcord + don't get banned on Smogon mid-tournament).
My "art" if you're generous with that word:
The prize:
I will draw you one shitty MSpaint Generation 1 Pokemon! If I'm feeling nice I may extend this to "a Pokemon in general." Examples of my past bad drawings are at the bottom of this post.
The rules:
1. Any line of 5 consecutive squares horizontally, vertically, or diagonally is a winner. First person to claim a win on forums or discord wins the prize!
2. Please save any relevant links to replays, forum posts, etc. to provide context for squares.
3. For any subjective squares, feel free to ask me on Discord what counts.
4. This is a silly game with a silly prize, please don't cheat or be a jerk about it.
5. You do not have to be in RBYPL to play - you just have to be a user in good community standing (not banned from RBYcord + don't get banned on Smogon mid-tournament).
My "art" if you're generous with that word:
Mechanics
The 8 questions about speed mechanics awarded a total of 2.5 points (7 or 8 correct = full marks, taking away 0.5 for each incorrect answer under 7), and were mostly intended as a chump check. Turns out a lot of good players aren't rock solid on them either, while a lot of less established players aced this.
(Correct answers as follows:
TW then Agility = 2x
Agility then TW = 1/2x
TW Psydrop = 1/16x
TW Psydrop Agility = 2x
TW Agility Psydrop = 1/2x
TW Rest = 1/4x
TW Agility Amnesia = 1/2x
TW Amnesia Agility = 2x)
The sleep turns were honestly mostly for my personal amusement, it only gave a half point. It's still good knowledge to have but I didn't put much weight into it. (Correct answer is 0-6 or 1-7, depending on how you count it, wrong answers were 0-7 or 1-6)
Counter question awarded 7 points.
1 = grave misunderstandings of the mechanics
2 = niche misunderstanding that might eventually cost you but is Probably OK
3 = correct but basic answer (the whole "it works on normal and fighting type moves" stuff)
4 = correct, covers multi-turn counters, but otherwise still simple
5 = correct, covers multi-turn counters, additionally covers one of the further nuances (desyncs / status moves breaking the storage / etc)
6 = correct, covers multi-turn counters, additionally covers multiple further nuances
7 = correct, covers everything
Game Analysis
The early game question (after TWaving Jynx and it sleeping your Zam, what next) - I was looking for the general concept of trying to push sleep past the Jynx for top marks, since it's more or less the whole point of your Chansey set and of the double Sleep bring.
This question awarded 6 points - generally, I stuck to these score guidelines: 1 for people who do something actively bad (like hard Lax on the blizzards or lines that risk twaving the chansey and not sleeping anything at all etc), 2-3 for people who go Chansey but settle for sleep on Jynx, 4-6 for people who mention pushing sleep past the jynx, with more points for more detail about the concrete ideas to achieve that goal
The midgame question (ZamEggZap w/ no ice chansey - you've traded sleeps and traded your Egg for their Chans, what next) had a fair amount of nuance, but the big thing I was looking for is whether people identify how big of a threat Rhydon is. In keeping with that idea I scored down answers that immediately volunteered the Tauros for trading since it's your only real stop to enemy Rhydon at this point. The right answer to 'what do you send next' was Snorlax, though I was open to non-Tauros answers if well reasoned with long-term ideas.
The question awarded 7 points in total, with 3 of them being dependant on whether you identify the Rhydon danger or not, and 4 on Everything Else.
(To the people who said "I would never get into this spot because it's terrible into Rhydon": congratulations, you got the point of the question and scored well)
The endgame situation (Zam+Tauros+one sack vs Starmie+Lax w/ 1 turn burnt) broadly the right answer is "go Zam click buttons and see", but since the situation doesn't have many variables, you can get deep into a bunch of possibilities and provide lines in each possible outcome.
The question awarded 7 points, and I evaluated both the quality of the analysis and the depth. I reserved 1 of the 7 points for people who identified the absolute danger of letting Lax have a free turn, since it's the main way for opp to flip the endgame from unfavored to favored; other than that, my scoring was relatively freeform here, rewarding people who explored lines many turns in the future with both depth and accuracy.
Prepping
Scout 1 (this is an old Serpi scout, for anyone curious) was quite simple: the Starmie and Rhydon are very high and I am looking for ideas that match up nicely into that core.
Scout 2 (this is the Deezcastforms scout for the very recent RCoP, for anyone curious) was likewise relatively simple: Zapdos is fairly outrageously high at 37%, with some other trends pointing at a lot of Boom-heavy offenses compared to the mean (75% Chansey and 49% Starmie, with those usage points being taken up by high Gengar and Cloyster instead). I am looking for ideas that are solid into both Zapdos and boom offenses.
(check my actual prep and brings here: G1 G2 G3 - g2 last was rhydon)
Each scout gave 5 points.
I gave 1 point for answers that gave themselves negative matchups
2 points for answers that are either just playing the mirrors or overall balanced (like 1 neutral 1 positive 1 negative mu across the 3 teams)
3 points for answers that are softly positive (2 neutral 1 positive or similar)
4 points for answers that are clearly positive but still not as exploitative as possible
5 points for answers that fully commit to the venerable art of the counterteam, and do so successfully
Obviously all of these grades are based on My Judgement which is not The Law And Truth Of The Universe, so you might disagree. That is fine. It's not that deep.
The 8 questions about speed mechanics awarded a total of 2.5 points (7 or 8 correct = full marks, taking away 0.5 for each incorrect answer under 7), and were mostly intended as a chump check. Turns out a lot of good players aren't rock solid on them either, while a lot of less established players aced this.
(Correct answers as follows:
TW then Agility = 2x
Agility then TW = 1/2x
TW Psydrop = 1/16x
TW Psydrop Agility = 2x
TW Agility Psydrop = 1/2x
TW Rest = 1/4x
TW Agility Amnesia = 1/2x
TW Amnesia Agility = 2x)
The sleep turns were honestly mostly for my personal amusement, it only gave a half point. It's still good knowledge to have but I didn't put much weight into it. (Correct answer is 0-6 or 1-7, depending on how you count it, wrong answers were 0-7 or 1-6)
Counter question awarded 7 points.
1 = grave misunderstandings of the mechanics
2 = niche misunderstanding that might eventually cost you but is Probably OK
3 = correct but basic answer (the whole "it works on normal and fighting type moves" stuff)
4 = correct, covers multi-turn counters, but otherwise still simple
5 = correct, covers multi-turn counters, additionally covers one of the further nuances (desyncs / status moves breaking the storage / etc)
6 = correct, covers multi-turn counters, additionally covers multiple further nuances
7 = correct, covers everything
Game Analysis
The early game question (after TWaving Jynx and it sleeping your Zam, what next) - I was looking for the general concept of trying to push sleep past the Jynx for top marks, since it's more or less the whole point of your Chansey set and of the double Sleep bring.
This question awarded 6 points - generally, I stuck to these score guidelines: 1 for people who do something actively bad (like hard Lax on the blizzards or lines that risk twaving the chansey and not sleeping anything at all etc), 2-3 for people who go Chansey but settle for sleep on Jynx, 4-6 for people who mention pushing sleep past the jynx, with more points for more detail about the concrete ideas to achieve that goal
The midgame question (ZamEggZap w/ no ice chansey - you've traded sleeps and traded your Egg for their Chans, what next) had a fair amount of nuance, but the big thing I was looking for is whether people identify how big of a threat Rhydon is. In keeping with that idea I scored down answers that immediately volunteered the Tauros for trading since it's your only real stop to enemy Rhydon at this point. The right answer to 'what do you send next' was Snorlax, though I was open to non-Tauros answers if well reasoned with long-term ideas.
The question awarded 7 points in total, with 3 of them being dependant on whether you identify the Rhydon danger or not, and 4 on Everything Else.
(To the people who said "I would never get into this spot because it's terrible into Rhydon": congratulations, you got the point of the question and scored well)
The endgame situation (Zam+Tauros+one sack vs Starmie+Lax w/ 1 turn burnt) broadly the right answer is "go Zam click buttons and see", but since the situation doesn't have many variables, you can get deep into a bunch of possibilities and provide lines in each possible outcome.
The question awarded 7 points, and I evaluated both the quality of the analysis and the depth. I reserved 1 of the 7 points for people who identified the absolute danger of letting Lax have a free turn, since it's the main way for opp to flip the endgame from unfavored to favored; other than that, my scoring was relatively freeform here, rewarding people who explored lines many turns in the future with both depth and accuracy.
Prepping
Scout 1 (this is an old Serpi scout, for anyone curious) was quite simple: the Starmie and Rhydon are very high and I am looking for ideas that match up nicely into that core.
Scout 2 (this is the Deezcastforms scout for the very recent RCoP, for anyone curious) was likewise relatively simple: Zapdos is fairly outrageously high at 37%, with some other trends pointing at a lot of Boom-heavy offenses compared to the mean (75% Chansey and 49% Starmie, with those usage points being taken up by high Gengar and Cloyster instead). I am looking for ideas that are solid into both Zapdos and boom offenses.
(check my actual prep and brings here: G1 G2 G3 - g2 last was rhydon)
Each scout gave 5 points.
I gave 1 point for answers that gave themselves negative matchups
2 points for answers that are either just playing the mirrors or overall balanced (like 1 neutral 1 positive 1 negative mu across the 3 teams)
3 points for answers that are softly positive (2 neutral 1 positive or similar)
4 points for answers that are clearly positive but still not as exploitative as possible
5 points for answers that fully commit to the venerable art of the counterteam, and do so successfully
Obviously all of these grades are based on My Judgement which is not The Law And Truth Of The Universe, so you might disagree. That is fine. It's not that deep.
Top of the class (36+): gastlies (38/40)
Honor students (30-36): Ulti Bastion (35/40), Acetylaldehyde (34/40), torkonpeter (32/40), BeeOrSomething (31.5/40) [did not answer counter question and scored 31.5 anyway], Brom91k (31/40)
You passed (24-29): Tree69420 (29/40), SpoiledBerries (28.5/40), GirlsSeeGhosts (27/40), spies (26.5/40), magialice (26/40), dangerk1d (26/40), ButtGallon (24/40)
Anyone else: not going to publicly shame you but you came up short one way or the other (maybe I just don't like how you prep or something. those qs were the most arbitrary). Thanks for taking the test anyhow and feel free to DM me for details/discussion
Honor students (30-36): Ulti Bastion (35/40), Acetylaldehyde (34/40), torkonpeter (32/40), BeeOrSomething (31.5/40) [did not answer counter question and scored 31.5 anyway], Brom91k (31/40)
You passed (24-29): Tree69420 (29/40), SpoiledBerries (28.5/40), GirlsSeeGhosts (27/40), spies (26.5/40), magialice (26/40), dangerk1d (26/40), ButtGallon (24/40)
Anyone else: not going to publicly shame you but you came up short one way or the other (maybe I just don't like how you prep or something. those qs were the most arbitrary). Thanks for taking the test anyhow and feel free to DM me for details/discussion
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Hello everyone PRs are out:
Thank you to all managers for submitting quickly so these could come out early!
Some notes:
Managers
OU Bo5
OU Bo3 by PLAYER
OU Bo3 by TEAM
Ubers
UU
NU
PU
Random Battles
Overall
Thank you to all managers for submitting quickly so these could come out early!
Some notes:
- A lower score means a better ranking. The best possible score is 1 (unanimous first place) while the worst possible score is 7 (unanimous last place), with the exception of the OU Bo3 PRs.
- The "By Team" OU Bo3 PR was found by summing each team's individual player score then dividing by 4 (since there are 4 Bo3 slots per team).
- The overall PR was found by summing the score from every PR, including managers. It used the "By Team" scores for Bo3 OU.
Managers
OU Bo5
OU Bo3 by PLAYER
OU Bo3 by TEAM
Ubers
UU
NU
PU
Random Battles
Overall
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REAL BALL KNOWLEDGE POWER RANKINGS by Teh
OU BO5
OU BO5
- CUNOS
- EGGYS
- P*MPUS
- WARTORTLES
- HAYMAKERS
- GONGS
- ILLUSIONS
- TANGELAS
- CUNOS
- TORTLES
- GONGS
- HAYMAKERS
- TANGELAS
- PAMPUS
- ILLUSIONS
- EGGYS
- CUNOS
- HAYMAKERS
- TORTLES
- PAMPUS
- EGGYS
- GONGS
- ILLUSIONS
- TANGELAS
- CUNOS
- TANGELAS
- ILLUSIONS
- HAYMAKERS
- WARTORTLES
- EGGYS
- PAMPUS
- GONGS
- CUNOS
- HAYMAKERS
- TORTLES
- ILLUSIONS
- PAMPUS
- EGGYS
- TANGELAS
- GONGS
- CUNOS
- TORTLES
- HAYMAKERS
- PAMPUS
- TANGELAS
- ILLUSIONS
- EGGYS
- GONGS
- CUNOS
- HAYMAKERS
- GONGS
- TORTLES
- EGGYS
- PAMPUS
- ILLUSIONS
- TANGELAS