Recycling - 5th RMT

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Thundur

--Introduction--
Well I'm back with a new RMT. I have tried to use sub DD gyarados and sub CM jirachi on several teams before but they just did not fit so am trying it again with both on a team. Since both benefit greatly from drizzle support, I decided to build around a rain team. This team has been pretty successful peaking 1468 on the smogon ladder. Like most of my teams that have been successful, I bring them to the RMT forum to see what smogon can do to make them even better. All rates are appreciated and enjoy the RMT!







--The Team--
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Politoed @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 12 HP / 252 SAtk / 244 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Psychic
- Perish Song

I have learned to love this thing. Politoed plays many valuable rolls on this team. She sets up rain (wich is extremely important) she serves as a check for SD toxicroak wich the rest of my team does have trouble with, and she also revenges +1 dragonite (with multiscale down wich is not that hard to do in conjunction with hazards and priot damage i inflict as he sets up) and also helps a little with lucario as most people will CC politoed just to be KOed by hydro pump. Hydro pump is for a powerful STAB wich is boosted even further by rain, Ice beam for dragons, Psychic for toxicroak and gengar, and perish song for pretty much only baton pass (wich is incredibly broken). Even though politoeds SpA with timid nature is nothing to write home about, rain boosted hydro pump is.​






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Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Thunder
- Water Pulse
- Calm Mind

The star of the team! With jirachi's great typing, she can come in on many pokemon and begin destruction. With most people expecting the standard specially defensive jirachi, people try to leech seed, put a status on jirachi or even trick jirachi just to find a sub in there face. With jirachi's nice 100/100/100 defenses she can take quite the beating as well. With serene grace jirachi can use thunder and water pulses side effects to her advantage aiding her to sweep. Thunder has a nice 60% chance to paralyze pokemon crippling pokemon and making jirachi faster than them so they can not get off there second hit. Water pulse has a nice 40% chance to confuse pokemon as well. With both these attacks, jirachi can use parafusion to its advantage by setting up even further. Sadly, a lot of the time I do not even get to sweep with jirachi as most people forfeit once I have a sub and a couple CMs up. I don't blame them because they know the beating they are in for.








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Gyarados @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 16 HP / 244 Atk / 248 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Substitute
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Bounce

Sub DD gyarados is in my opinion one of the best sweepers in rain. Pretty much nothing likes taking rain boosted waterfalls. Even pokemon who resist waterfall can be easily 1 hit KOed or 2 hit KOed depending upon how many boosts I have. A lot of people throw a rotom-w on there team with volt switch and say I'm not gyarados weak however with substitute gyarados is not easily countered. I love setting up subs on un expecting foes that try to put a status or leech seed gyarados and proceed to sweep them like a broom. I chose intimidate over moxie die to how much easier it is to set up on weakened attackers. This EV spread is made to out speed jolly scarf terrakion. The move choice is pretty self explanatory. Sub and DD for setting up my sweep, waterfall for STAB, and bounce for coverage. Not to mention the only pokemon that resists flying water coverage in the OU metagame is rotom-w wich can be beaten eventually if the rotom does not carry thunder or thunderbolt.










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Starmie @ Life Orb
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Thunder
- Rapid Spin

Starmie plays a large roll in this team. She rapid spins to take pressure of the rest of my team wich is important due to a lot of my pokemon being weak to spikes and gyarados being weak to stealth rocks wich are both common moves found on teams. She serves as utility, but also sweeps with her powerful life orb boosted attacks. Hydro pump in the rain is extremely powerful. Starmie can also beat most common spin blockers. Starmie 2 hit KOs jellicent and out speeds and KOs gengar. Starmie's 115 base speed also makes her an excellent revenge killer. Starmie can also do well against conkeldurr and reuniclus as she KOs conkeldurr and does 90+ to reuniclus with hydro pump.








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Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SDef
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Spikes
- Power Whip
- Gyro Ball
- Stealth Rock

Ferrothorn is a great pokemon to have on a rain team. With rain cutting his somewhat crippling 4x fire weakness in half, it makes ferrothorn a lot better. Ferrothorn provides hazard support for my team wich helps a lot in wearing down pokemon and putting pressure on my opponent. Gyro ball and power whip are great when it comes to dealing damage to my opponent. Gyro ball hits dragons like latios, haxorus, dragonite and most fast pokemon that do not resist it. Power whip deals damage to pokemon like rotom and starmie wich ferrothorn can wall depending upon the set. The EV spread is tailored to to deal with pokemon such as DD dragonite and haxorus. With this EV spread he can take quite a few hits and retaliate back with gyro ball.








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Latias @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Dragon Pulse
- Roar
- Roost

CM latias is the "glue" of my team. When building and testing she was the last pokemon to add. She covers pretty much everything the rest of my team does not. She walls magnezone, beats reuniclus, walls rotoms and walls breloom wich can all be threats to my team. Latias also does well against rain teams wich are large threats to this team if I loose the weather war. With roar latias can abuse hazards as well as phazing sweepers. Latias can also deal with gyarados if I can not get a perish song on it. Even though latias is not one of my main sweepers, she can easily destroy teams when all steel types are gone. Dragon pulse provides a powerful reliable STAB and roost
provides recovery.​




Note: Please tell me of any grammar or spelling mistakes so I can fix them.
 
Hi, as promised, here's the rate.

Overall, solid team. However, I'm not sure as to whether you are trying to use rain offense or rain stall. Tentacruel, for one, doesn't synergize too well with Jirachi. Jirachi really enjoys abusing that Thunder paralysis chance. But with Toxic Spikes, you often wont be able to get that. As well, your team really doesn't really focus on abusing Toxic Spikes to stall the opponent out. One Pokemon I think could give your team serious trouble is CB Terrakion, who is capable of at least 2HKOing every member of your team, while nobody on your team can really do much back. I suggest replacing Tentacruel with a Life Orb Starmie. While this does not prevent you from losing a poke to Terrakion, at least now, you have a means of revenge killing it. Starmie also does a much better job dealing with spinblockers, namely Jellicent, who laughs all day long at Tentacruel's attempt to spin. Rapid Spin support is pretty vital for Gyarados to function properly, as Stealth Rock can often prevent you from getting up as many Substitutes as you'd like. The fact that Life Orb Starmie can weaken a number of walls for Jirachi doesn't hurt either.

I also suggest swapping Intimidate on Gyarados for Moxie. While Intimidate can help Gyarados get in, your set is more dedicated to sweeping than it is to checking opposing threats. Moxie is incredibly useful for Gyarados to start up that snowball sweep. Once Gyarados gets going, its absolutely invincible. Even Rotom-W that lack Thunderbolt can only sit back and await the inevitable. Simply Sub up as Rotom-W comes in, Dragon Dance as Rotom-W Volt Switches out, then proceed to either KO the switchin, or continue to set up either Substitute or Dragon Dance as appropriate. Rinse and repeat until either Rotom-W is the last Pokemon on the opposing team, or Gyarados has accumulated enough Moxie boosts to be able to KO Rotom-W. Both ways, you win.

In Summary:
Life Orb Starmie>Tentacruel
pros: more Offense, more reliable spinner, can revenge kill Terrakion
cons: lose Toxic Spikes, although your team isn't stall based, so this isn't a huge loss

Moxie>Intimidate on Gyarados
pros: can get up a Snowball sweep, can allow Gyarados to eventually beat Rotom-W
cons: Gyarados will have more trouble getting in

GL

Sets:
Starmie @ Life Orb
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature (+Spe, -Atk)
- Hydro Pump
- Thunder
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Trait: Moxie
EVs: 80 HP / 244 Atk / 184 Spe
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
- Dragon Dance
- Substitute
- Waterfall
- Bounce
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It might be a good idea to try using substitute on latias over roar. Although you lose your ability to phaze away reuniclus, you gain immunity to status, it becomes very difficult for scizor to u-turn you to death and you get some ability to scout what your opponent will do. With leftovers and roost the 25% hp loss should be no problem. When I used that Latias set substitute proved very effective for me but for your team the only problem I could see is losing the ability to abuse Ferrothorns entry hazards.
 
Use 248 speed pn gyarados to outspeed jolly scarf terrakion at +2
Tentacreul doesn't fit at all. Gyarados goes great with breloom if you want to try it
 
Hi man nice team there,but i have some tips.
First of all i agree with NWO that you should put a Starmie instead of Tenta since he doesn't quite fit into your team and you don't abuse T-Spikes in any way except with CMRachi which is not a necessity anyway.
Also again agrying with NWO to change your Gyarados's ability to Moxie to help you sweeping.
Finally since you have problems with Lucario i am going to suggest to you this particular and a little bit weird Starmie set that i made to fit in your team:

Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid
12 HP / 184 Def / 88 S.Atk / 224 Speed
Hydro Pump
Thundert
Rapid Spin
Recover

The defense evs are just enough to avoid being ohkoed by adamant LO Lucario's ES at +2 after SR and lefties.With Recover and good speed it isn't hard to keep him in good shape.

The S.Atk evs are enough to always 2hko Jellicent after SR and lefties with Thunder and ohko Lucario at full health with Hydro Pump in rain.
While most of the times Lucario will be at 90% of it's life when you attack him,at best,because of LO ES,some Lucario carry Balloon so you wouldn't want to get get swept by this weak motherfucker.

Now we have 236 EVs remaining.Since you cannot speed tie with Starmie i put 224 evs in Speed,enough to outspeed the next faster poke(Tornadus),and the rest to HP to take hits a little bit better since this Starmie appreciates survivability.
If you want you can put these 12 evs to S.Atk to hit a little bit harder but anayway it doesn't matter much.

That is all i had to say!Good luck with your team!
 
i think tentacruel was a better pick over starmie, makes a nice defensive pair with ferrothorn, Looks like swords dance toxicroak could be an issue so i would think about running psyshock over water pulse/thunder on jirachi.

You also seem to have problems with some powerful physical threats with ferrothorn being your best bet for things like ddnite and it has no reliable recovery, although im not sure how you would solve this problem.

I think that running a timid scarfedpolitoed would be good to revenge such threats as conkeldurr is beaten by tentacruel and intimidate from gyara in tandem along with psyshock on jirachi

Politoed (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 12 HP / 252 SAtk / 244 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hydro Pump
- Psychic
- Perish Song
- Ice Beam

I really like the team and GL
 
Razza said:
i think tentacruel was a better pick over starmie, makes a nice defensive pair with ferrothorn, Looks like swords dance toxicroak could be an issue so i would think about running psyshock over water pulse/thunder on jirachi.

You also seem to have problems with some powerful physical threats with ferrothorn being your best bet for things like ddnite and it has no reliable recovery, although im not sure how you would solve this problem.

I think that running a timid scarfedpolitoed would be good to revenge such threats as conkeldurr is beaten by tentacruel and intimidate from gyara in tandem along with psyshock on jirachi

Politoed (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 12 HP / 252 SAtk / 244 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hydro Pump
- Psychic
- Perish Song
- Ice Beam


I really like the team and GL
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thanks for the rate, i really like starmie though. I will test everything. Thanks


EDIT: scarf toed proved to be pretty useful. Still testing everything else.
 
New World Order said:
Hi, as promised, here's the rate.

Overall, solid team. However, I'm not sure as to whether you are trying to use rain offense or rain stall. Tentacruel, for one, doesn't synergize too well with Jirachi. Jirachi really enjoys abusing that Thunder paralysis chance. But with Toxic Spikes, you often wont be able to get that. As well, your team really doesn't really focus on abusing Toxic Spikes to stall the opponent out. One Pokemon I think could give your team serious trouble is CB Terrakion, who is capable of at least 2HKOing every member of your team, while nobody on your team can really do much back. I suggest replacing Tentacruel with a Life Orb Starmie. While this does not prevent you from losing a poke to Terrakion, at least now, you have a means of revenge killing it. Starmie also does a much better job dealing with spinblockers, namely Jellicent, who laughs all day long at Tentacruel's attempt to spin. Rapid Spin support is pretty vital for Gyarados to function properly, as Stealth Rock can often prevent you from getting up as
many Substitutes as you'd like. The fact that Life Orb Starmie can weaken a number of walls for Jirachi doesn't hurt either.

I also suggest swapping Intimidate on Gyarados for Moxie. While Intimidate can help Gyarados get in, your set is more dedicated to sweeping than it is to checking opposing threats. Moxie is incredibly useful for Gyarados to start up that snowball sweep. Once Gyarados gets going, its absolutely invincible. Even Rotom-W that lack Thunderbolt can only sit back and await the inevitable. Simply Sub up as Rotom-W comes in, Dragon Dance as Rotom-W Volt Switches out, then proceed to either KO the switchin, or continue to set up either Substitute or Dragon Dance as appropriate. Rinse and repeat until either Rotom-W is the last Pokemon on the opposing team, or Gyarados has accumulated enough Moxie boosts to be able to KO Rotom-W. Both ways, you win.

In Summary:
Life Orb Starmie>Tentacruel
pros: more Offense, more reliable spinner, can revenge kill Terrakion
cons: lose Toxic Spikes, although your team isn't stall based, so this isn't a huge loss

Moxie>Intimidate on Gyarados
pros: can get up a Snowball sweep, can allow Gyarados to eventually beat Rotom-W
cons: Gyarados will have more trouble getting in

GL

Sets:
Starmie @ Life Orb
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature (+Spe, -Atk)
- Hydro Pump
- Thunder
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin


Gyarados @ Leftovers
Trait: Moxie
EVs: 80 HP / 244 Atk / 184 Spe
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
- Dragon Dance
- Substitute
- Waterfall
- Bounce
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Moxie and bounce are illegal Because bounce is a ptHGSS tutor move and moxie is a 5th gen ability and I still think 248 speed is necessary to outrun scarf terrakion. Idk
 
Moxie and bounce are illegal Because bounce is a ptHGSS tutor move and moxie is a 5th gen ability and I still think 248 speed is necessary to outrun scarf terrakion. Idk
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I use the 248 speed I just have not put it in yet. Moxie + bounce is not illegal.
 
Asterat said:
How do you get bounce in 5th gen. BTW, I think moxie is unreleased anyways. Was the moxie event have a gyarados with bounces?
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Well I have been using the combo on the smogon server and nothing stops me. On the gyarados sets, moxie and bounce are mentioned on the same set
 
Hey there.

The Rotom-W + Scizor combination can really cause problems to your team since nothing on your team is able to single-handedly take out both threats. Threats such as SD Lucario and SD + RP Terrakion can also cause you problems. Fortunately, all of these threats can be alleviated by running a Gliscor over Latias. By running a Substitute + Protect set with 216 Speed, Gliscor can easily take out threats such as Toxicroak and Lucario; it can also PP stall Rotom-W's Hydro Pumps. Threats that Latias covered such as Breloom and Reuniclus can be defeated by Gliscor and Jirachi, respectively.

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 Speed
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Protect
- Substitute
- Toxic
- Earthquake

This Gliscor can be a major pain for your opponent, and Toxic threats such as Rotom-W that walls standard Gliscor. Gliscor also provides you with a secondary physical wall in addition to Ferrothorn, and can help your team out against Fighting-types.

Also, run Moxie over Intimidate on Gyarados. It can put severe pressure on your opponent, since it punishes them from sacrificing Pokemon. After a couple of Moxie boosts, even Rotom-W will not longer be able to pose a threat to Gyarados.

Really nice team. Hope I helped, and good luck!
 
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