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Regirock (OU Analysis)

Ok fine fuck the Rest Talk set its gone. Regirock's niche is filled by none. Using Hippowdon doesn't mean that you're using something that needs sandstorm. Tyranitar outside of having Sandstream is not better at all over Regirock. Regirock's defense is far beyond Tyranitar's defense even with it's "better HP". Not to mention Regirock has arguably superior defensive typing as Infernape and Lucario don't shit on Regirock like they do Tyranitar.
 
Even though I don't play OU, I've accidentally faced some OU teams (mainly because they challenged me) with one of my teams containing Regirock, and I've found that Regirock gets steamrolled against OU. Rock-typing is pretty bad in OU, and gets demolished by Celebi, Hippowdon, Roserade, Shaymin, Gyarados...you get the picture. Regirock has great defensive stats, but the Rock-typing screws him over many times in OU, relagating him to the lower tiers. Even though I love Regirock, I will agree with everyone else that OU is not his place.
 
He doesn't lose to Gyarados he survives the Waterfall and KOs back with SE/RS not to mention you probably didn't have Sandstorm and you said yourself you were using a UU team.
 
He doesn't lose to Gyarados he survives the Waterfall and KOs back with SE/RS not to mention you probably didn't have Sandstorm and you said yourself you were using a UU team.

Adamant LO Gyarados against this Regirock: 54.9-64.8%
-1 Regirock against Adamant LO Gyarados: 53.2-63.4%

Doesn't lose to Gyarados? Yeah right.
 
Clear Body and Intimidate don't mix very well...

And maybe this is assuming Regirock gets a Curse up before Gyaraduck tries to rain on the parade. Which Regirock does have many opportunities to do, but is pretty risky, I digress.
 
im actually having a hard time deciding this one. I know Curse Regirock can work but im unsure if its worth using over Curse Tyranitar. Ill probably test this and come back with a decision.
 
Its not like regirock's page is completely congested with tons of analsysis. As jabba has said, if a pokemon is outclassed that does not mean you shouldn't include it. Of course I have used curse regirock for lols on Pbr when I was bored in single battles, and its inability to take water or grass type attacks makes cradily very superior most of the time. Non ev trained milotics were ruining regirock with hydro pump and ih ad max sp. def and hp (with sandstorm up). Not to mention cradily can actually run a recover refresh set which is actually ok.
 
Cradily does have some advantages yes however Regirock does too. Here are some pros to using regirock. Far far better physical defense a 100 base attack as opposed to 81 base attack which can really make a difference after a few curses. Regirock still has good SpD not too far off from Cradily's. The recovery is actually not that big of a deal because Regirock has a chesto berry and Rest and the way you should play this is set up a few curses and and attack. I do agree that Regiock was cursed with weaknesses such as water and grass however you have 5 other pokes and if you don't have some check to them already then your team is horrible. I even mentioned specially defensive Zapdos who can check most of its counters single handed. So while Cradily has some advantages regirock has his.
 
Okay, after thinking about this, this seems like a pretty legitimate set on regirock that I can see working with the right support. It's not like regirock's analysis is really cluttered anyway so I don't see any harm in having this on site. Also as alex 67 has said multiple times regirock does have some advantages over the other rock type cursers.

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So at the moment I guess we have 1 approval and 1 rejection.
 
If this gets approved you might wanna add dickhead (i mean breloom) to the counters section. He resists both rock and ground, can strike back with stab SE seed bombs, or put you or a counter to sleep. Therefore celebi or areal ace dugrio could be nice partners (though probably not duggy)

Edit-Also heal bell dragonite might work to counter breloom and wake regirock up after he used rest.
 
OK, i tested this a bit and with the right support it does work. While SDS's argument is true, Tyranitar faces similar issues setting up and it has its own analysis. In fact, Regirock has an easier time setting up due to its higher defenses. The current Metagame definitely doesn't favor this sort of set, but it still can work. Because of this, i too will approve.

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[Overview]

<p>While Regirock appears to be a bad choice an inferior option in for OU; due to having a its bad typing, which that consequently gives it several common weaknesses such as to common Grass-, Water-, Fighting-, and Ground-type attacks and more, it actually has a niche of being as an extremely bulky Curse user of Curse. Regirock has the highest Defense in OU and very respectable Special Defense, especially with the boost from sandstorm. Sand Stream which Regirock's massive bulk can help negate its bad typing and enables him to set up several Curses, Rest off any damage, and bulldoze through the opponent's team. Regirock also has very respectable decent Attack to boot and near-perfect coverage with just Earthquake and STAB Rock Slide. To top it off, Regirock has a very handy ability in Clear Body, which stops Intimidate from reducing its Attack.</p>

<p>Despite these useful assets, Regirock does requires some team support to function. A Sand Stream Pokemon is important and having a way to deal with your opponent’s Water- and Grass-types is absolutely mandatory. Regirock also has pretty stiff competition with Tyranitar for a team slot, as he has better Attack and Special Defense and even provides his own sandstorm. Despite these somewhat disappointing setbacks, Curse Regirock is still very destructive if properly supported and played.</p>

[SET]
name: CurseRock
move 1: Curse
move 2: Rock Slide
move 3: Rest
move 4: Earthquake / Sleep Talk
item:Chesto Berry / Leftovers
nature:Careful
evs:252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
<p> With the highest Defense in OU, good Attack and decent Special Defense further boosted by Sandstorm Regirock is a great user of Curse. (repetitive) The idea of this set is to come in on something who doesn’t threaten Regirock and start setting up. After a Curse or two, Regirock will be able to take even super effective physical attacks with over half of its HP remaining. and Should your opponent’s special attackers be gone, he will have a hard time breaking through Regirock. When Regirock is running low on health, it can just Rest off the damage, wake up instantly thanks to Chesto Berry, and attempt a sweep.</p>

<p>When using Regirock, it’s inevitable that it will be compared to Tyranitar. However, Regirock has his advantages: such as no 4x weakness to Fighting-type attacks, no weakness to Bug-type attacks, and superior Defense. This enables it to come out on top against Gyarados, Dragonite, Lucario and Scizor, all of whom Tyranitar loses to.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Stone Edge is an option over Rock Slide, as the extra power is sometimes helpful; however, the comparative lack of PP is a big issue. In the last slot, Sleep Talk is an option, as it allows Regirock to use Rest more than once and allows it to use Leftovers instead of Chesto Berry. This also allows makes it more viable for Regirock to run Stone Edge; with more viability however, running Sleep Talk over Earthquake gives Regirock a much harder time against Steel-types. The EVs can be switched around tweaked should you want more physical bulk or attacking power; invest in Defense or Attack, respectively.</p>

[Team Options]

<p>When choosing a Sand Stream partner for Regirock, you should always use with Hippowdon, since due to Tyranitar and Regirock share so many weaknesses. Due to Because many of Regirock’s counters are pokemon such as Choice Specs Lucario, Water- and Grass-types;, specially defensive Zapdos is by far Regirock’s best partner by far, as synergy wise. Zapdos can counter many of the aforementioned Pokemon and resists many of Regirock’s weaknesses. Regirock returns the favor by dealing with Blissey and Snorlax with few problems little problem. Magnezone is an exceptional partner as well, as it ensures that you can take down Bronzong and Skarmory; however Magnezone and Regirock share a couple weaknesses. and The aforementioned Zapdos can do this as well counter Bronzong and Skarmory as well; however, he does not trap them. Heal Bell Dragonite is also a good teammate; he allows Regirock to wake up after using Rest, should the need arise, and can take on most of Regirock's counters, bar Water-types.</p>

[Optional Changes]

<p>In OU Regirock, doesn’t have too many more other options. Regirock does have the highest Defense in OU and could run a somewhat effective tank set; however, its bad defensive typing and not having access to a lack of reliable method of recovery really hurt its usefulness as a wall. Regirock could attempt to run a Rock Polish set similar to AgiliGross, but however Regirock lacks the raw power from the start and better Speed which that enable Metagross to reach important benchmarks.</p>

[Counters]

<p>As mentioned many times, Grass- and Water-types are a real pain for Regirock. In particular, Suicune, Celebi, and Breloom in particular are the most problematic worst. Suicune and Celebi can set up on Regirock, while and Breloom not only resists Earthquake and Rock Slide, but can do lots of horrible things such as freely set up a Substitute, put Regirock to sleep, or just wear it down with its STAB attacks. Skarmory can phaze Regirock without too much trouble, but however can do nothing else; as Regirock will win in a one-on-one situation, Regirock will emerge victorious.</p>

lots of errors, try to work on comma usage and general prose; reading a sentence out loud will usually give you a good idea of how it "feels".

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[Overview]

<p>While Regirock appears to be an inferior option in OU due to its bad typing, which gives it weaknesses to common Grass-, Water-, Fighting-, and Ground-type attacks, it actually has a niche as an extremely bulky Curse user. Regirock has the highest Defense in OU and very respectable Special Defense, especially with the boost from sandstorm.(space this)Regirock's massive bulk can help negate its bad typing and enables him it to set up several Curses, Rest off any damage, and bulldoze through the opponent's team. Regirock also has decent Attack and near-perfect coverage with just Earthquake and STAB Rock Slide. To top it off, Regirock has a very handy ability in Clear Body, which stops Intimidate from reducing its Attack.</p>

(stay consistent with your gender.)

<p>Despite these useful assets, Regirock(space this)requires some team support to function. A Sand Stream Pokemon is important and a way to deal with your opponent’s Water- and Grass-types is absolutely mandatory. Regirock also has pretty stiff competition with Tyranitar for a team slot, as he it has better Attack and Special Defense and even provides his its own sandstorm. Despite these somewhat disappointing setbacks, Curse Regirock is still very destructive if properly supported and played.</p>

[SET]
name: CurseRock
move 1: Curse
move 2: Rock Slide
move 3: Rest
move 4: Earthquake / Sleep Talk
item:(space this)Chesto Berry / Leftovers
nature:(space this)Careful
evs:(space this)252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>The idea of this set is to come in on something a Pokemon who doesn’t threaten Regirock, such as Heatran, Zapdos, and Weavile, and start setting up. After a Curse or two, Regirock will be able to take even super effective physical attacks with over half of its HP remaining. Should your opponent’s special attackers be gone, he Regirock will become hard to stop have a hard time breaking through Regirock. When Regirock is running low on health, it can just Rest off the damage, wake up instantly thanks to Chesto Berry, and attempt a sweep.</p>

<p>When using Regirock, it’s inevitable that it will be compared to Tyranitar. However, Regirock has his its advantages: no 4x weakness to Fighting-type attacks, no weakness to Bug-type attacks, and superior Defense. This enables it to come out on top against Gyarados, Dragonite, Lucario and Scizor, all of whom Tyranitar loses to.</p>

(i think you can also mention clear body negating gyarados's intimidate, allowing regirock to keep its curse boosts. you can add this in at the end if you want: "Regirock also has Clear Body, preventing Gyarados's Intimidate from hindering its Attack.")

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Stone Edge is an option over Rock Slide, as the extra power is sometimes helpful at the cost of less PP. (period) however, the comparative lack of PP is a big issue. In the last slot, Sleep Talk is an option, as it allows Regirock to use Rest more than once (i don't understand this. sleep talk won't pick rest to let regirock use it more than once. perhaps reword this to whatever you meant? otherwise, i would remove this part) and allows it to use Leftovers instead of Chesto Berry. Running Stone Edge becomes more viable due to Sleep Talk consuming PP for Stone Edge This also makes it more viable for Regirock to run Stone Edge; however, running Sleep Talk over Earthquake gives Regirock a much harder time against Steel-types. The EVs can also be tweaked by investing in either more Defense or Attack should you want more physical bulk or attacking power, respectively; invest in Defense or Attack, respectively.</p>

(avoiding use of "double" semi-colon in a row at the last two sentences.)

[Team Options]

<p>When choosing a Sand Stream partner for Regirock(backspaced), you should always use Hippowdon, since Tyranitar and Regirock share so many weaknesses. Because many of Regirock’s counters are Water- and Grass-types,(space this)specially defensive Zapdos is Regirock’s best partner by far, as Zapdos can counter many of the aforementioned Pokemon and resists many of Regirock’s weaknesses. Regirock returns the favor by dealing with Blissey and Snorlax with little problem. Magnezone is an exceptional partner as well, as it ensures that you can take down Bronzong and Skarmory. (period) however Sadly, (comma) Magnezone and Regirock share a couple of weaknesses: Fighting and Ground. The aforementioned Zapdos can counter Bronzong and Skarmory as well; however, he it does cannot trap them. Heal Bell Dragonite is also a good teammate; because he it allows Regirock to wake up after using Rest, should the need arise, and can also take on most of Regirock's counters, bar Water-types.</p>

(toxic spikers such as tentacruel and roserade could be helpful against water and grass pokemon not called tentacruel and roserade themselves but those are rather uncommon anyways.)

[Optional Changes]

<p>In OU, (comma) Regirock(backspaced) (removed comma) doesn’t have too many other options. Regirock does have the highest Defense in OU and (shuckle lol) could run a somewhat effective tank set due to its impressive physical bulk; however, its bad defensive typing and lack of reliable recovery really hurt its usefulness as a wall tank. Regirock It could also attempt to run a Rock Polish set similar to Agility Metagross, but it lacks the raw power and Speed that enable Metagross to cause havoc and reach important benchmarks.</p>

[Counters]

<p>As mentioned many times , Grass- and Water-types, such as Suicune, Celebi, and Breloom, are a real pain for Regirock. In particular, Suicune, Celebi, and Breloom are the most problematic. Suicune and Celebi can set up on Regirock, while Breloom not only resists Earthquake and Rock Slide, but can freely set up a Substitute, put Regirock to sleep, or just and wear beat it down with its STAB attacks. Skarmory can phaze Regirock without too much trouble, but can do nothing else; in a one-on-one situation, Regirock will always emerge victorious.</p>

(add in trick users such as rotom-a and gengar and encore users such as infernape and togekiss as counters. of course, they must be wary of switching in blindly; they must make sure they're not switching into a stone edge. bronzong is a pretty nice trick user too.)

(also, i think taunt gliscor with toxic/earthquake counters this set nicely too.)


(AND, maybe hippowdon can tag along skarmory. its earthquake only does around 25% to a +1 regirock though, so that's why i'm thinking it can roar just like how skarm whirlwinds. also, hippo resists rock so it's slightly better off.)

Watch out for random killer spaces when editing your analysis. If you're copy/pasting from the proofread, don't do it. Save when you edit in your changes and check again if spaces occur. I also added some more content throughout the proofread. If you decide to add those in, this might want another proofread.

uragg made an odd error during proofread with the comma after Regirock in optional changes. Really weird. >_> but that's okay since we're just human. Sounds really funny when reading it though!

Cool analysis anyhow.
 
Ok thanks guys made your changes that I thought I should make. I don't think it needs another full GP check but I will leave it here for a bit in case anyone sees any necessary last minute changes so please let me know if you see any.
 
Yeah, see, another space popped up over at the Counters' section. It's the first thing there so that needs to be fixed.

edit: and "Because many of Regirock’s counters are Water- and Grass-types , specially defensive Zapdos" from team options in between Grass-types and specially.

edit: oh, missed something but it was just a repeat of what's said later in the analysis which turns out false. at overview, "
Regirock has the highest Defense in OU", change that to "Regirock has great physical bulk".
 

edit: oh, missed something but it was just a repeat of what's said later in the analysis which turns out false. at overview, "
Regirock has the highest Defense in OU", change that to "Regirock has great physical bulk".

Because Shuckle actually has the highest Defense in OU, but he's pretty situational. Yeah, go change the statement.
 
Actually when you take HP in to account I'm pretty sure Regirock has higher Physical Defense.

Edit: Ok made those last minute changes Flora. I'm still going to say highest Defense in OU because Regirock has 80 Base HP and 200 Base Defense and Shuckle has 20 Base HP with 230 Base Defense. Regirocks Def>Shuckles Def. Anyway this is done!
 
Edit: Ok made those last minute changes Flora. I'm still going to say highest Defense in OU because Regirock has 80 Base HP and 200 Base Defense and Shuckle has 20 Base HP with 230 Base Defense. Regirocks Def>Shuckles Def. Anyway this is done!

In that case, you want to say something like better physical bulk (which takes HP into consideration as well as Defense) because the statement you have is still false.
 
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