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Rhyperior and rock polish

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Hamstero

So I was looking through the rhyperior analysis and saw that there wasn't any mention of rock polish. I was wondering if rock polish set would be viable?


Even if its not too viable I was wondering if I could get some feed back on this rock polish set.

Rhyperior @ Life Orb
Solid Rock
252 atk 52 spatk 206 speed
lonely

Rock Polish
Earthquake
Rockslide?
Fire blast

I was wondering if I should replace slide with stone edge. Those evs let it 2hko skarm reliably and get 334 speed after a single polish. If this is in the wrong place I apologize but I didn't think it should go in the simple questions thread. Feel free to provide your input about the set and it's viability =).
 
there is no mention of rock polish because the pokemon that counter rhyperior, pokemon like bronzong, skarmory and swampert, don't care if rhyperior has even 1,000 speed, because they can still 1-2HKO or are otherwise not threatened. Skarmory is just going to roost in your face until you kill yourself trying to FB it with your still-pathetic fire blast

i'm thinking of making it mandatory for people to test out their moveset ideas on shoddy battle or dpbot because it's not like you can't test your idea out for yourself if you're so sure that we "missed" something in our analyses
 
I think it won't work for one reason....... when you use Rock Polish they would have switched to a counter and still be faster b/c Rhyperior is a slow guy to begin with.

I like the original thinking though!

Edit:........I was beaten..........
 
Besides bronzong who can only be 3hko'd I fail to see how Max hp/def swampert and skarm are counters. A maxhp/def skarm takes a min of 56% damage from the fire blast and rhyperior is faster after the polish same as with swampert but with earthquake. Now they can phaze him sure but they then have lost half hp which for walls is not a very comfertable hp to be at. Bronzong and cresselia are troublesome but I plan to have counters for them elsewhere on my team. He even 2hkos max hp gyrados after an intimadate with rockslide/stonedege. sorry for the rushed post but Iam in ahurrry I'll edit it later if this is still open. Lonely is so he outspeeds most of his counters after a polish and still can ko skarm. it also leaves hom with 371 260 146/219 defenses.
 
Rock Polish takes away from the CB Rhypherior option, which seems to be more popular anyway. Rock Polish is fine, but it's not necessary to make this hefty tank go any faster.

Also, the Fire Blast is okay thinking, but it's just not worth the armored rhino's time. If he wants something done and to pose a threat, he needs those slots for a physical sweep using CB.
 
I don't really think this set is that well thought out =/
Swampert has surf, and I don't think rhyperior will be comfortable with a 4x super effective(2.7 or whatever it is) move that hits it's horrible special defense. Relaxed swampert with no spa evs will ohko always, after the life orb drop(I think it's always anyway) and is not 2hko'd by earthquake, with leftovers.
What about every other physical wall? Gliscor laughs at this, as do dusknoir( I assume you will always use rock polish first), and you get will-o-wisp'd.
Weezing(will-o-wisp)
slowbro(surf)
donphan(earthquake?) with lonely that is most likely a 2hko
Also, why lonely???
 
lilwartz said:
I don't really think this set is that well thought out =/
Swampert has surf, and I don't think rhyperior will be comfortable with a 4x super effective(2.7 or whatever it is) move that hits it's horrible special defense.
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It's basically 3x effective. Hard Rock only gives a 25% decrease, not the previously thought 1/3.
 
Hamstero said:
Besides bronzong who can only be 3hko'd I fail to see how Max hp/def swampert and skarm are counters. A maxhp/def skarm takes a min of 56% damage from the fire blast and rhyperior is faster after the polish same as with swampert but with earthquake. Now they can phaze him sure but they then have lost half hp which for walls is not a very comfertable hp to be at. Bronzong and cresselia are troublesome but I plan to have counters for them elsewhere on my team. He even 2hkos max hp gyrados after an intimadate with rockslide/stonedege. sorry for the rushed post but Iam in ahurrry I'll edit it later if this is still open. Lonely is so he outspeeds most of his counters after a polish and still can ko skarm. it also leaves hom with 371 260 146/219 defenses.
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like I alluded to above, please try this set out for yourself to see if it does or does not work. i personally can answer that question off the top of my head because "elitist or not" i have been playing this game for a long, long time. while skarmory isn't the best counter it's listed in the "Counters" section of the analysis and is still a great initial switch in to Rhyperior.

I switch to skarm as you RP, you FB for around 66% as I WW and take LO damage and I either Roost or WW. I now know that you have LO and that it is very unlikely that you have MH since you only have two attacking slots left, and that you probably have EQ and RS. Then I know that Cresselia, Hippowdon, Swampert, and even Starmie are effectively counters to this set, at least one of which should be on every good team. Cress will carry Ice Beam and or Moonlight, Hippowdon has Slack Off and EQ and will soon find out why your FB even did all that much to Skarmory in the first place (if I actually have one that is) when it EQs your hindering Defensive nature for what's close to a OHKO, Swampert does either the same with a nearly identical Attacking stat (112 base vs 110) and EQ or has Surf which will OHKO, and even Starmie very likely isn't outsped by Rhyperior since it knows it can only reach 358 speed after a Rock Polish with a nautral speed nature (which is more likely than using Jolly), and know it isn't OHKOed by the LO EQ and can Recover whether or not you attack it on the switch.

there are more general counters but honestly this is why i really, really think people should be testing this stuff out for themselves because I can post all the numbers and theorycraft in the world and it doesn't mean anything if you guys aren't actually willing — or, dare i say, too lazy — to test things for yourself on shoddy battle or the DP bots. you don't really have the "well we can really test things out" excuse anymore — this isn't really the "Speculation" board it was months ago
 
Just vomited on my keyboard thanks to this. Can't decide who's dumber, the Fireblast Ryperior guy or the person who reckons Skarmony should use Roost against Ryperior.
 
its not a terrible idea, you would use this as a late game sweeper, much like agiligross. naughty would be the better choice in nature and id concentrate all/most those sp atk evs into speed to beat out gengar and most starmies. you could use fire fang over fireblast for skarmory, less damage (could turn a 2hko to a 3hko) but better accuracy and the chance to flinch would be perfect.

RABicle said:
Just vomited on my keyboard thanks to this. Can't decide who's dumber, the Fireblast Ryperior guy or the person who reckons Skarmony should use Roost against Ryperior.
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we're talking about rock polish rhyperior, it would be faster than skarmory. rhyperior would be stupid to use earthquake vs skarm (it would miss) so it would have to use fireblast/rockslide/stone edge, which would do enough damage for it to be roosted off the same turn
 
Expertise said:
Would a Rock Wrecker from max atk Rhyperior OHKO skarmory?
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No chance with rock polish. With choice band, however, it's guaranteed against 0 def 0 hp skarm, (Like anyone uses that...) with a potential 85% against Max Hp Max Def Skarm - so no, not even with stealth rocks.

Calculate it yourself next time... I hate having too many tabs up at once.
 
Oh cool thanks

Apparently Glaceon's blizzard against a 275 sp.def gyara with 350 HP does 80%-94% and the hail finishes it off

...nice
 
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